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Unfortunately, the Protestant Reformers did not divest themselves entirely of their Catholic baggage. Scholasticism was an integral part of the Catholic Church, and Protestants failed to insist that there be no such thing among evangelical Christians, nor any clerical titles, nor any special clothing to distinguish clergy from laity.

"Following the Reformation, Calvinists largely adopted the scholastic method of theology, while differing regarding sources of authority and content of theology" -- Wikipedia.
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For example tomorrow is Good Friday and I was just wondering how could that be the day when Jesus was crucified if three days later would make it Easter Monday and not Sunday.
Had the traditionalist churches maintained the date of the crucifixion of Christ the same as that of the feast of Passover (Nisan 14), then "Good Friday" would actually be "Good Wednesday", and that would fulfil the prophecy of Christ that His body would be in the tomb for three days and three nights. During that time He was in Sheol/Hades "preaching" to the spirits in prison.

The Bible says that "Christ our Passover" has been sacrificed for us. So the crucifixion of Christ fulfilled the Feast of Passover, and His resurrection fulfilled the Feast of First Fruits.
 

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Had the traditionalist churches maintained the date of the crucifixion of Christ the same as that of the feast of Passover (Nisan 14), then "Good Friday" would actually be "Good Wednesday", and that would fulfil the prophecy of Christ that His body would be in the tomb for three days and three nights. During that time He was in Sheol/Hades "preaching" to the spirits in prison.

The Bible says that "Christ our Passover" has been sacrificed for us. So the crucifixion of Christ fulfilled the Feast of Passover, and His resurrection fulfilled the Feast of First Fruits.
So if He was crucified on Wednesday and His body was in the tomb Wednesday night, Thursday night and Friday night then that puts Him rising on the morning of the Sabbath.


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His body was in the tomb Wednesday night...
Sunset on Wednesday is also the start of Thursday by Hebrew reckoning (where the previous day ends and the next day begins in the evening). See Genesis 1 which has evening first then morning.

EVE OF HOLIDAYS – ...Unlike the early Babylonians, whose day began with sunrise, the Jews began theirs with sunset. Jewish Encyclopedia
 

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As we all know Catholics use "Jesuitical casuistry" to justify their false beliefs. Nothing new.
casuistry
noun
ca·su·ist·ry | \ ˈkazh-wə-strē , ˈka-zhə-\
plural casuistries
Definition of casuistry
1: a resolving of specific cases of conscience, duty, or conduct through interpretation of ethical principles or religious doctrine

2: specious argument : RATIONALIZATION
Let's not get personal. We Protestants don't have the corner on doctrinal accuracy either.
 

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Sunset on Wednesday is also the start of Thursday by Hebrew reckoning (where the previous day ends and the next day begins in the evening). See Genesis 1 which has evening first then morning.

EVE OF HOLIDAYS – ...Unlike the early Babylonians, whose day began with sunrise, the Jews began theirs with sunset. Jewish Encyclopedia
Jesus was crucified on the day of preparation which is Friday.


When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus out and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called The Pavement, but in Hebrew, Gabbatha. Now it was the Preparation Day of the Passover, and about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews, “Behold your King!”
But they cried out, “Away with Him, away with Him! Crucify Him!” John 19:13-15


Jesus rose on the third day, in the morning.


“Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and to the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death and deliver Him to the Gentiles; and they will mock Him, and scourge Him, and spit on Him, and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again.”
John 10:33-34


If He rose on the third day in the morning then He was not still in the tomb on the night of the third day.




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Sunset on Wednesday is also the start of Thursday by Hebrew reckoning (where the previous day ends and the next day begins in the evening). See Genesis 1 which has evening first then morning.

EVE OF HOLIDAYS – ...Unlike the early Babylonians, whose day began with sunrise, the Jews began theirs with sunset. Jewish Encyclopedia

Exactly my point.


Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock, where no one had ever lain before. That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near. (Friday, the day before the Sabbath.)

And the women who had come with Him from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment. (Saturday the Sabbath)

Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared. Luke 23:53-24:1
(Sunday, the first day of the week) The third Day.




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The point being made in Matthew 23:1-12 is Jesus who characterizes the Pharisees saying to not be like them as they exalt themselves. From vs. 13-36 Jesus condemns them and goes as far as calling them hypocrites because they do not practice what they teach and tells us to not be like them.

Matthew 23:10 Jesus says to not be called a teacher as He is our teacher.

1 Corinthians 12:28 Paul is speaking of Spiritual gifts and said the third gift was teachers who God set in the body.

What God set in the body was Christ Jesus who taught His disciples. After Jesus ascended up to heaven God sent down the Holy Spirit that teaches us all things of what Christ taught and that of what God the Father gave Him to speak/teach, John 12:49, 50; 14:26.

I believe when Paul stated one of the gifts from the Spirit was that God set teachers in the body of Christ it's possible he meant that some are called to teach that of what Christ has already taught. Those who have been given the Spiritual gift of teaching have been called, as the disciples of Christ were called and then equipped to take the Gospel message/teaching out to the nations.

So no, we should not call ourselves teachers, nor should a Priest call himself Holy Father as we are ever learning and can only teach others what the Holy Spirit teaches us.

1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? 31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet show I unto you a more excellent way.

I do not believe in self righteous titles like Reverend, Priest, Cardinal, Pastor, Rabbi etc. etc., but that of all who have been called as a disciple/Apostle of Christ. Their are titles found in the scriptures, but that of what God gives and not what man tries to do with their title as in shutting up the kingdom of heaven against men.
 

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That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near. (Friday, the day before the Sabbath.)
There was a high Sabbath after Passover (the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread), in addition to the regular Sabbath. So the Day of Preparation was for this special Sabbath (when no work would be done). So there were two Sabbaths in this week.

LEVITICUS 23
5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover. [CRUCIFIXION]
6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
[HIGH SABBATH]
8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
9 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the
[REGULAR] sabbath the priest shall wave it. [RESURRECTION]
 

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John, I merely responded to your post #9 which said: Catholics and Protestants alike are guilty of doing exactly what Jesus said not to do.
And I didn't understand what you are saying.

Both Protestants and Catholics alike are guilty. Maybe your church is perfect but I haven't seen this not broken in a long time.
 

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Both Protestants and Catholics alike are guilty. Maybe your church is perfect but I haven't seen this not broken in a long time.
Since the OP is about taking clerical titles, I thought we were all on that subject. And both Protestants and Catholics have failed to obey that teaching of Christ. Of course, if you are referring to the falling away within the Christendom, that is a separate issue.
 

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