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The Lord shows Abraham the future...

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Faith hope love...

The rulers of the darkness of this world continuously spread their lies and have no other purpose than to deny the word of God.. to steal it away.. their claim is that anything future is a FALSE HOPE... Simply because they have no hope and no defense against the FAITH once delivered to the saints.

That's the last thing in the world that these dark rulers want anyone to have.. Faith and hope in the sure promises of God.
 

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By their own admission they have nothing to do with the body of Christ... And they're so hardened to the truth that it's probably impossible for them to be corrected... And they could never admit that they have been deceived to the extent which they are.
I have come across so many folks like that! :sad
 

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I can clearly see it coming :)


no you dont get it. if a jewish nation is saved then they are what now?

i will base my answer on what you say.
 

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Apparently only those who have no clue about the future.. Get it..

But you won't ever them them tell you what they get.. Because IMO they get (and got) nothing.
 

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then im as a jew isnt a CHRISTIAN, that is what one does when becomes a believer.

sorry will this jewish state do what to remember christ? will they do passover? hmm didnt jesus have all jews and instute communion? yup. and paul taught that we are to do that too. gentiles and jew doing what? communion and what else did they do? baptise? so if the saved jews. are now doing what the church did then they are the church.

you are in err. that is why i dont see any need to remove the church to get jews to believe by grace. or allow the third temple to built and deception. they have ad 70 and tanach and well christians with the power of the holy spirit to get them right.

God been saving jews since ad 33. and well quite effectively. i will wage alot of them might just family to me.
 

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So how about that future...

Oh right, they don't know the future, only the past...lol

Makes perfect sense to me knowing that the Spirit of God shows us things to come.. Just as He did with Abram..

Not today though.. That's all in the past..

Great testimony.. No idea of things to come even if they were miraculously all written down for us from the foundation of the world.
 

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sigh, that isnt what im seeing its your interpretation of times of the gentiles and a kingdom of isreal that you err in.

i can no longer do the law, and that is what isreal is. the isreal/jewish identity is in moses not jesus. a believer's in christ. spend time in judaism and then you will see that.that is why jews reject christians as they will say if god is the same today.. how come jesus and your apostles teach moses isnt needed?
 

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Now.. Who might want you to believe that the man of sin is NOT coming.. And whose ultimate end is NOT foretold in miraculous detail.. ?
 

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Who might want you to believe that the Day of The Lord shall NOT come.. ? That it's all some fairy tale and nothing but false hope..?
 

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that was in ad 70. nero.

reconcile that an older menuscript says the number is 616. and yet it says 666 now.
http://www.wnd.com/2005/05/30211/
show me where it says a man of sin is in revalation and take note that in daniel a beast is a goverment and the horns of the four horned beasts are generals.
 

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You've been shown a zillion times and its all a joke to you..

To say that the Day of The Lord happened in 70AD is a blatant denial of the testimony of the Apostles.. Everyone knows it but those who are blinded by that deception.

Right, the day of The Lord happened in 70AD... And we're the ones who don't get it..

It doesn't get more ridiculous than that..
 

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well then what will isreal do then after she repents. ya know there has to be two ressurections.

one for the church
one for all the dying rightoeus, saved jews and gentiles in the millenium

i dont see it your way and i cant. why because i asked an ordained man on this and he like my pastor and another man. all of them admit we dont know. we like to see the pre trib idea but unit it happens we dont know.

i was given a book that was the only defense i was shown on the ideas of yours.it taught all that you said. and then it also said if one believes in the rapture then one should donate all possesion upon the rapture to a jew. they will need it. if that is really what you believe(he is legit and honest) then do just that. i have told this to some here and they changed their mind.

so i should just read the bible like you? never really knowing the tanach, never digging the word meanings of hebrew. never seeing the depths of jewry that paul mentions that point to the cross. ironically stormcrow was lead to his position(which he goes to far) when he met a MESSIANIC JEWISH CONGREGATION. not all messianics are futurists. newflash. i read of that. one site says we see revalation differently then christians. some are futurists, some are amil and we are another.

im doing this to force you to see and really dig and defend your position. its not a joke, men leave christ over this stuff, right now i know a man who fleed to costa rica with family and left a decent job and life believing that the lord will return per camping or such like.
 

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I'd say that I'm doing this to show you the absolute absurdity of your position and how that it blatantly denies the living and powerful testimony of the Apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ.. although I understand that even that is most likely impossible.. because if you or anyone can't see the absolute absurdity of saying that Day of the Lord came in 70AD.. then imo it will take a miracle to open your eyes.

So it's much easier to simply ignore your nonsense..
 

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i was where you are. i dont believe the ressurection happened but it does mention one ressurection for the just and unjust.

not one for the just and another for just at the end of millenium and another for the final judgement of all men.

if you doubt that i was ask reba, and stormcrow.
 

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It's not complicated...

And there's no need for a preterist to argue their deception here... because we already got the memo.. how that the the Day of the Lord was the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD and that you have no clue about the future.

That basically sums it up.

The Day of the Lord was 70AD and there's no clue about anything after that.

Got that... yes... and immediately could see it for the lie that it is.. from the father of lies.. and the prince of the power of the air..

But that's ok... don't think for a second that any of this is important.. just relax and know that the god of this world was destroyed a long time ago..
 

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Let's all just listen to the preterists... who have been listening to the one who says that the Day of the Lord happened in 70AD..

Obviously that IS what they are being taught.. and exactly what they're embracing...

By WHOM do you think.. ?
 

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it wasnt even two years ago.

I AM not saying that at present satan isnt plotting but to imply certain events that are happening must be pome art of the end times. such the nwo and cabal in order for the ac to come.

these prophecies are vague in some parts, and tis more productive to study the bible and do what the lord said we should be doing.

winning souls and making disciples and helping the poor.

its best to be balence neither totally futurist or preterist.

which is my position even though i am a pre-tribber.

i was merely thinking out loud.

but as vic said it best

we shouldnt lean on futurist prophecy solely as we must live day to day. if God felt that we needed to know exactly the who, what, where and end of it all. he would have said it clearly.
http://www.christianforums.net/showthread.php?t=33550&page=1&highlight=trib

now then i have been in the mens' group and heard my elders speak of these things. drove me nuts and i told monica when they do that its off.i hate undermining my leadership and i dont hide what i am. i dont push it, i just tell monica why they are wrong
china will be the one whom attacks isreal with russia
america will be to weak to aid isreal after the rapture.
the arab spring means that god may come with in this year or next. not date setting but i think he is really close because isreal is really taking the heat.
these are godly men but well it can lead some weak christian astray.i may pipe up tommorow about this.
 
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Anyone know anything about the future... the topic of this thread..

It's gets sickening rather quickly when the discussion goes to the same thing over and over again by those who can't see past 70AD..

The question is why do they even bother with the future.. ? Why would they be here except to call it a false hope and spread their ridiculous lie (which everyone knows but them) that the Lord came in 70AD..

WHY are they here... ?

We KNOW why they're here...

The APOSTLES told us plainly that they would be here..
 

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Goin out on a limb...

I'm going to take a chance here.. and say something which might sound absolutely ridiculous to you...

"The LORD knows the future"..

There... I said it..
 
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