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What events in the Bible did not actually occur?
- Thread starter humble soul
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Did Jesus tell real parables while on earth? To be parables they needed some analogy with life happenings, e.g. the sower & the seed; the wheat & weeds, etc.
Oz
Christ_empowered
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cs lewis correctly points out that Christianity is a -miracle religion- . God becomes Flesh! Born of a virgin, no less! sinless! unjustly Crucified! Resurrected!
see? if one accepts the basics, just...Christianity 101...then it logically follows that God -can- , should He choose, intervene in this fallen, crazy world of ours.
see? if one accepts the basics, just...Christianity 101...then it logically follows that God -can- , should He choose, intervene in this fallen, crazy world of ours.
Knowledge of good and evil didn't make Adam and Eve evil. The only evil one that was there was satan, the serpent.
Quantrill
cs lewis correctly points out that Christianity is a -miracle religion- . God becomes Flesh! Born of a virgin, no less! sinless! unjustly Crucified! Resurrected!
see? if one accepts the basics, just...Christianity 101...then it logically follows that God -can- , should He choose, intervene in this fallen, crazy world of ours.
CE,
We won't be able to accept miracles without belief in the Almighty God who exists, creates sustains, & intervenes in our world.
I find enough evidence in creation, conscience &
Scripture.
Oz
You don't think the Lazarus/richman story-lesson is a parable?
So, what happened when A & E ate from the tree of the knowledge of good & evil? What was its purpose?
This has been debated for 2000 years over whether it's a parable or actual happening..
This thread won't answer that issue.
Ox
When Eve ate, she fell and was a sinner. When Adam ate, he fell and the human race with him fell, and became sinners.
They now had the knowledge of good and evil in their fallen state.
Just because Adam and Eve fell, they did not become children of satan, or evil. They were still children of God but fallen. They were now affected by the world and satan who is the prince of this world. They were children of wrath as God's judgement was upon them.
This is, I believe, true of every one who is a believer, a Christian today. We were never children of the devil. We were lost children of God.
Quantrill
Tessa
Member
Amen to that.
Just as The Lord comes to seek His lost sheep mow He went to the garden to seek Adam and Eve and called out to them just as He does to us.
You said you only believe the truth, and Hollywood tells the truth.
Well, here's Hollywood with Adam and Eve, Noah, etc...
It's all truth by your standards.
I believed Hollywood when I was a kid.
Now I know the phoniness. I was joking.
Serving Zion
Member
I'd like to clarify this with you: do you say she had already died a spiritual death in that moment? Or do you say that she would go on to eventually die a carnal death?
Mark 5:15 shows that the man with the demons was healed and "in his right mind", and it did not require an atoning sacrifice. He also healed many others without having to require from them anything further than repentance: "leave your life of sin".
It shows me that your basis for having assumed that Eve could not be healed is rooted in your view of God that is formed by the teachings of Substitutionary Atonement. Insofaras I recognise that view is unscriptural and a mischaracterisation of God, it does answer my question. I also would not agree on that basis that it is impossible for God to heal Eve without requiring a life in her place.
Yes. The term 'lost' really applies only to those who are children of God but lost. It technically doesn't apply to those who were never children of God. They were not lost because they were never His.
Quantrill
Of course. I am saying that Eve died spiritually the moment she ate, and death was now working in her body.
We are not talking about just a casting out of demons or a healing of sickness. We are talking about being saved from a lost state. Eve was lost. She was not just sick or had a demon.
It shows you don't understand what we are talking about. When you do, get back with me.
Quantrill
Serving Zion
Member
It really only shows the dangers of speculating.
daninthelionsden
Member
Evil came in when Eve first chose disobedience in taking that bite. Exercising free will to disobey was/is evil. Now knowing this, she manipulated Adam to partake. Evil came to fruition. Thus, you will know them by their fruits.
daninthelionsden
Member
You always make me think. Sometimes I really like that and sometimes I get ascared by you lol.
The difference between the fall of Eve and one who is sick or demon possessed is not speculation.
Understanding 'substitution' in the doctrine of soteriology is not speculation.
Quantrill
Serving Zion
Member
You'd better explain yourself because it just looks like an unsupported statement. How can you expect anyone to believe a demon possessed person isn't lost? (James 5:20).
Also why did you introduce sickness? Neither one of us has suggested Eve was sick or that people who have sickness are lost.
No, the speculation is "why did Adam take the fruit that Eve gave her?". Look where it leads us - shedding blood and strangling each other "accept my teaching!!!" .. and yet the scripture doesn't give us the answer to that question. So that's why it's dangerous to speculate. I normally don't do it at all, but I wanted to help humble soul get thinking more about the value of Paul's views. ... How is it that you and I began to exchange blows?