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What events in the Bible did not actually occur?

Serving Zion said:
Do you think he might have rather asked God to heal her instead? .. assuming that you think it is possible, why do you suppose he didn't do that instead?
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You see people try to cover for their spouse or friend all the time. Did he feel guilt before he partook? The problem is, Adam didn't trust in the Lord and instead went and hid under a covering, just as the "Adams" of today try to do. They take the knowledge of the law, then hide from death under a covering.
 
Serving Zion said:
Can you show me where you got that idea from? How do you know that Eve didn't simply persuade him to partake of the fruit that was "making her wise"?
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Can't really show, it just kind of came to me. If Adam had trusted the Lord, he would not have taken a covering and then hid from the Lord. He would have went to the Lord and asked for forgiveness. I'm sorry, I did what you told me not to, but now I'm just so overwhelmed by all this knowledge, I don't understand.....
 
ezrider said:
Can't really show, it just kind of came to me. If Adam had trusted the Lord, he would not have taken a covering and then hid from the Lord. He would have went to the Lord and asked for forgiveness. I'm sorry, I did what you told me not to, but now I'm just so overwhelmed by all this knowledge, I don't understand.....
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:thumb the real power of sin is the opportunity for the devil to accuse, and he knew what God had said "do not eat from the tree" and that "in the day you eat of it, you will surely die". I think it's natural that he was afraid of the consequence of dying on that day and so he had thought he would just lie about it (afterall, doesn't everybody believe that they can just lie about whatever they are intending to do that is wrong?). And so he realised that it wasn't enough to sew the fig leaves together, and he was afraid to come into the light. Yes, that's how we know that he had done a sin worthy of guilt (John 3:20-21).

I still don't quite see the reason why he chose to partake of it with his wife though.. it isn't actually written and it could have been some sort of lust (eg. to remain joined to her or to "be like God") or support (to protect her - which doesn't really make much sense to my present thinking, but who really knows what sort of ideas her fallen mind had given him?..
 
humble soul said:
Sorry this might be controversial for some. Some stories in the Bible did not occur. They are stories that are meant to teach spiritual truths. Ones that seep deep into out unconscious and strengthen our faith.
Here are some stories that I believe are NOT historical events.
Adam and Eve story.
Noah's Ark
20 plagues of Egypt
Parting of the Red Sea
Manna from Heaven
Tower of Babel
Jonah and the Whale.
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Those examples flow from your anti-supernatural ppresuppositions.

You do not believe in the Almighty God who performs miracles.

Seems to me your worldview is very worldly - that of a humanist.

Oz
 
humble soul said:
I agree. But maybe some of the writers made mistakes. Is the Bible 100% truth? I don't think so. But most of it is spiritual truth.
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What evidence convinces you the Bible is not 100% truthful?

What has infiltrated your thoughts to doubt God like this?

Do you consider you know more about the nature of the universe than God?

Oz
 
Serving Zion said:
Are you referring to Matthew 26:39 so as to suggest that if He had not have drank of that cup, His people could not have been healed?
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I'm referring to the fact that Eve died. Had Adam not disobeyed and asked God to heal Eve, the only healing would still have been a substitute. A life for a life.

As I said the sentence of death had fallen.

Who at that time would have been a substitute? Adam gave himself for Eve. But that is all he could do.

God did in fact bring healing and life through the Last Adam who gave Himself for His bride also. But because God identified all of the human race fallen in one, Adam, then so can many be saved through One, Christ.

This is why the belief that Adam and Eve were just nice 'stories' is false and dangerous. If Adam didn't really exist, then Christ cannot die for all. He can only die for one. And who is the lucky one?

Concerning (Matt. 26:39), yes, of course. The only way of redemption for mankind was the way God did it. No other way would have worked. It not only made man righteous in the sight of God, but it satisfied God's righteousness also. (Rom. 3:26)

Quantrill
 
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Quantrill said:
Yes, you err again. Your view of Scripture is an error. You view of Adam and Eve is an error. Thus you err again.

Quantrill
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I can't take much more of this criticism! This derision. This ridicule. This abuse. This contempt. This, this, this , this...........this morning I visited two libraries. Fun fact eh.
 
Oh humiliation . That's how I feel too.
Humble soul is humbled. Beyond repair. I blame Adam and Eve....even if they do exist.
 
Quantrill said:
Had Adam not disobeyed and asked God to heal Eve, the only healing would still have been a substitute. A life for a life.
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Could you please expound on this? It's the first time I have ever seen the idea with regards to Adam asking God to heal Eve, and the "life for a life" comment doesn't make sense to me.
 
Serving Zion said:
Could you please expound on this? It's the first time I have ever seen the idea with regards to Adam asking God to heal Eve, and the "life for a life" comment doesn't make sense to me.
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Well, it is you who first brought up the idea of Adam asking God to heal Eve. Not I. See post #(78).

My explanation of what may well have been involved is given in post #(76) and (87).

As to 'substitution' the whole idea is that the substitute is a proper substitute. Even though the animal sacrifices atoned for sin, they did not remove sin. They pointed to the true Sacrifice to come.

When any brought their animal sacrifice, a sin offering, they killed the animal and spilled it's blood. And so (Lev. 17:11) tells us that the life of the flesh is in the blood. That is the whole point of the blood. When you see the blood spilled out on the ground, the sacrifice has exchanged it's life for yours.

A life for a life. One for one.

There is no healing, no access to eternal life save through that.

The problem: How can one man die for all and God be justified in doing so.

Solution: God counts all guilty in one man. God now counts all righteous in One Man. (Federal Headship)

Understand, once sin had entered into the human race, God, because He is God, could not just overlook it. His righteousness would not allow it. He could not just look down at Adam and Eve and say "yall sure messed that up. But, I love yall so much that I'm going to let yall come into my presence anyway and live forever." He could not do it. The moment they would have entered His presence He must judge them, and kill them.

The difficulty of the salvation problem lay in God being justified in justifying you and I. I believe I mentioned (Rom. 3:26) already.

Does that help?

Quantrill
 
Hopeful said:
I have to think that some of the stories Jesus used in His parables didn't actually happen.
The prodigal son and the beggar-richman going to Abraham's bosum for instance.
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None of the parables happened.
That's why it's a parable.
The Prodigal is believed to be a parable.
The Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 19) is true.
 
humble soul said:
Sorry this might be controversial for some. Some stories in the Bible did not occur. They are stories that are meant to teach spiritual truths. Ones that seep deep into out unconscious and strengthen our faith.
Here are some stories that I believe are NOT historical events.
Adam and Eve story.
Noah's Ark
20 plagues of Egypt
Parting of the Red Sea
Manna from Heaven
Tower of Babel
Jonah and the Whale.
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Do you believe Jesus was a real person?
What proof do you have?
 
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