Are you OK with ABORTIONS?

Are you OK with ABORTIONS?

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I have always opposed abortion even in the case of rape and incest. The life of a mother is an exception but this situation is so rare as to be nonexistent.
 
Eugene said:
Why? If the child is killed, isn't it still abortion? Thanks.
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Yes, it's still an abortion. And yes it still kills an innocent human life. But the question is one of justification. If indeed the very life of the mother is in question due to a problem pregnancy, termination is justified to save the life of the mother. As I said, this is very rare. But we know women do die in childbirth. It happens. There are situations where the life of the mother is in jeopardy and medical science cannot solve the issue apart from termination. This, and only this situation, is a morally acceptable reason to abort a pregnancy.
 
Lets not forget about birth control. Birth control is evil and a sin. Birth Control is anti-Baby and anti-Child. The purpose of birth control is to stop the life of an innocent baby from being born.
 
iLOVE said:
Lets not forget about birth control. Birth control is evil and a sin. Birth Control is anti-Baby and anti-Child. The purpose of birth control is to stop the life of an innocent baby from being born.
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Abortifacients are. Some birth control pills simply stop conception from taking place. Those are not considered abortive by the Pro-Life Lobby.
 
As a Messianic-Jew, it is a prohibition to three biblical commandments I am conscience of, making me disinclined to support it. Peacefully, I say these just for clarity's sake:

Genesis 1:28
"[...] Be fruitful and multiply."

In our viewpoint, even neutering an animal by our own volition would break that when we must keep life existent throughout the ages. For a woman, once she receives the surgery, she may not longer bare children, which might be the end of her family's lineage, alas. God charged mankind and the animals to obey that for those reasons.

"Thou shalt not kill".

Exodus 20:13
To us, the sperm is considered as a living creature, though it may be unformed as a babe yet. If it is not jeopardizing the mother's survival in some cases, which it may be necessary, it is as taking away the life thereof unjustly.

Exodus 13:2
"Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine."

It may be likened that the unformed soul could not fulfill its purpose having its life cut abruptly unable to keep that commandment to the Lord.

I believe that Jesus himself wills that rather we should just cherish them. There some cases of illegitimate children born, yes, but we must care for them still, not despise them, for casts away their chances at "correcting" what their parents may have done wrong. It does grieve me to hear such stories on how challenging it can be I imagine, but there are better options than just taking away their rights as if they were of no value.
 
The sperm is a living organism but is not a human being. No human being exists in a sperm cell nor in the egg of the woman. Only when the two are joined together is a new and unique human life (as in human being) formed. Once conception has taken place, there is no longer a sperm nor is there an egg. They are gone.

Scientifically, there is no such thing as a fertilized egg. You will see the use of "fertilized egg" in textbooks and discussion but the fact is that once conception takes place, the egg is no more and the sperm is no more. The egg is not a human being nor is the sperm. To state otherwise is to be factually incorrect.
 
Papa Zoom said:
Abortifacients are. Some birth control pills simply stop conception from taking place. Those are not considered abortive by the Pro-Life Lobby.
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9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.

10 And the thing which he did displeased the Lord: wherefore he slew him also. Genesis 38:9-10

Even though we are living today under Grace, still, the principle has not changed. (I am not speaking about incest)
 
iLOVE said:
9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.

10 And the thing which he did displeased the Lord: wherefore he slew him also. Genesis 38:9-10

Even though we are living today under Grace, still, the principle has not changed. (I am not speaking about incest)
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What principle. You have not stated a principle here. You need to explain more. I can't comment further if you want me to guess at your precise point.
 
Papa Zoom said:
What principle. You have not stated a principle here. You need to explain more. I can't comment further if you want me to guess at your precise point.
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God has chosen to operate His work from the basis of faith. "The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus" (Romans 8:2) is God's prescribed order of victory for the Believer over sin, the world, the flesh, and the Devil. This means that the Believer must maintained Faith exclusively in Christ and His Finished Work, i.e., The Cross, i.e., The Blood of Jesus. Whatsoever that is not faith is sin.
 
iLOVE said:
God has chosen to operate His work from the basis of faith. "The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus" (Romans 8:2) is God's prescribed order of victory for the Believer over sin, the world, the flesh, and the Devil. This means that the Believer must maintained Faith exclusively in Christ and His Finished Work, i.e., The Cross, i.e., The Blood of Jesus. Whatsoever that is not faith is sin.
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Ok. But what has this to do with the discussion on abortion or anything I've posted?
 
iLOVE said:
9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.

10 And the thing which he did displeased the Lord: wherefore he slew him also. Genesis 38:9-10

Even though we are living today under Grace, still, the principle has not changed. (I am not speaking about incest)
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iLOVE said:
God has chosen to operate His work from the basis of faith. "The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus" (Romans 8:2) is God's prescribed order of victory for the Believer over sin, the world, the flesh, and the Devil. This means that the Believer must maintained Faith exclusively in Christ and His Finished Work, i.e., The Cross, i.e., The Blood of Jesus. Whatsoever that is not faith is sin.
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Forgive me if I'm missin something you are trying to convey but how do your quotes relate to the post?
 
Papa Zoom said:
Ok. But what has this to do with the discussion on abortion or anything I've posted?
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Taking any form of birth control is not operating (walking) by faith. It is sin...the works of the flesh. In other words you think you know better than Gods plan for your life.
 
Papa Zoom said:
What principle. You have not stated a principle here. You need to explain more. I can't comment further if you want me to guess at your precise point.
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Ah, that passage about "spilling the seed". It is elaborated from the Hebraic culture that the seed is the sperm itself, and "release", is deprecated by the rabbis. I am not well versed in Hebrew to ascertain if the word for "seed" is similar to the Koine Greek "sperma" used in the New Testament, but the concept is implied nevertheless. That isn't abortion yet the principle there I believe she is getting at that it to strengthen the argument that is a destruction of life according to God's Word. It elaborated in our traditions that for reasons in my last post that it is still wasteful of a potential life when its intent is to procreate among couples.. not be outside to no effect.
 
iLOVE said:
Taking any form of birth control is not operating (walking) by faith. It is sin...the works of the flesh. In other words you think you know better than Gods plan for your life.
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That's an opinion and I don't agree. But you are entitled to hold it.
 
DusmoProkuon said:
Ah, that passage about "spilling the seed". It is elaborated from the Hebraic culture that the seed is the sperm itself, and "release", is deprecated by the rabbis. I am not well versed in Hebrew to ascertain if the word for "seed" is similar to the Koine Greek "sperma" used in the New Testament, but the concept is implied nevertheless. That isn't abortion yet the principle there I believe she is getting at that it to strengthen the argument that is a destruction of life according to God's Word. It elaborated in our traditions that for reasons in my last post that it is still wasteful of a potential life when its intent is to procreate among couples.. not be outside to no effect.
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The story of Onan and the spilling of the seed has nothing to do with abortion or the destruction of life. The sin of Onan was his greedy, selfish refusal to father a son on behalf of his brother -as was his duty.
 
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