It Is Finished...

[for_his_glory]

But when He spoke those words, He had not yet died, nor rose from the dead.

Does what occurred the night before in the Upper Room provide the complete narrative?

Here is the complete narrative in theses verses.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

John 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst. 29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a sponge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth. 30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

What do you think gave up the ghost means after Jesus said it is finished? After knowing that all things were then accomplished within Jesus fulfilling the sacrificial part of the laws, being the last sacrifice for sin, He paid that debt in His death and resurrection.

 

[Walpole]

Here is the complete narrative in theses verses.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

John 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst. 29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a sponge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth. 30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

What do you think gave up the ghost means after Jesus said it is finished?

Giving up the ghost means he died.

After knowing that all things were then accomplished within Jesus fulfilling the sacrificial part of the laws, being the last sacrifice for sin, He paid that debt in His death and resurrection.

When He said "It is finished", he had neither died nor been resurrected. Therefore how could he have accomplished the sacrificial part of the laws?

To understand what happened and was finished on Good Friday, we have to go back to what began in the Upper Room on the evening before. It is only in this context does it become clear.

 

[MarkT]

Jesus said seven statements on the cross...
It is called The Seven Words of Jesus and they are obtained from the four gospels.

1. Luke 23:34: Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.
2. Luke 23:43: Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.
3. John 19:26–27: Woman, behold your son. Son, behold your mother
4. Matthew 27:46 & Mark 15:34 My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?
5. John 19:28: I thirst.
6. John 19:30: It is finished.
7. Luke 23:46: Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit.

What did Jesus mean when He said "It is finished" ?

You can say he accomplished what he was sent to do, or his work on earth was finished.

He accomplished all that the Father gave him to do.

Or you can say the prophecy Ps. 69:21 was fulfilled when they gave him vinegar to drink.
John 19:30
When Jesus had received the vinegar, he said, “It is finished”; and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Psalm 69:20-22 Revised Standard Version (RSV)
20 Insults have broken my heart,
so that I am in despair.
I looked for pity, but there was none;
and for comforters, but I found none.
21 They gave me poison for food,
and for my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.

 

[Walpole]

You can say he accomplished what he was sent to do, or his work on earth was finished.

He accomplished all that the Father gave him to do.

Or you can say the prophecy Ps. 69:21 was fulfilled when they gave him vinegar to drink.
John 19:30
When Jesus had received the vinegar, he said, “It is finished”; and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Psalm 69:20-22 Revised Standard Version (RSV)
20 Insults have broken my heart,
so that I am in despair.
I looked for pity, but there was none;
and for comforters, but I found none.
21 They gave me poison for food,
and for my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.

But had he accomplished all that the Father gave him to do when he spoke those words?


"The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again." (Luke 24:7)

 

[MarkT]

But had he accomplished all that the Father gave him to do when he spoke those words?


"The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again." (Luke 24:7)

Yes. He accomplished all that the Father gave him to do. He said this before he was crucified.
John 17:4
I glorified thee on earth, having accomplished the work which thou gavest me to do;

21 They gave me poison for food,
and for my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink. Ps. 69:21

Jesus was sent to fulfill the prophets. So when this prophecy (what was written about him in scripture) was fulfilled, he said it is finished.

 

[Walpole]

Yes. He accomplished all that the Father gave him to do. He said this before he was crucified.
John 17:4
I glorified thee on earth, having accomplished the work which thou gavest me to do;

21 They gave me poison for food,
and for my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink. Ps. 69:21

Jesus was sent to fulfill the prophets. So when this prophecy (what was written about him in scripture) was fulfilled, he said it is finished.

If you interpret John 17:4 to mean that Christ had accomplished all his work prior to Calvary, was his passion, death and resurrection unnecessary?

 

[MarkT]

If you interpret John 17:4 to mean that Christ had accomplished all his work prior to Calvary, was his passion, death and resurrection unnecessary?

I'm not interpreting John 17:4. I'm quoting Jesus.

And there's obviously a connection between the prophesy and his words.

This was the last prophesy which was fulfilled before he died. Jesus accomplished what the Father gave him to do. The prophecy was fulfilled. And then he died.

So you could say he accomplished everything the Father gave him to do on earth. Then he died. But this doesn't make his passion, death and resurrection unnecessary. This is just about what he accomplished while in his flesh.

 

[for_his_glory]

Giving up the ghost means he died.



When He said "It is finished", he had neither died nor been resurrected. Therefore how could he have accomplished the sacrificial part of the laws?

To understand what happened and was finished on Good Friday, we have to go back to what began in the Upper Room on the evening before. It is only in this context does it become clear.

When one says they are finished that means they are done. This is what was meant as He hung on the cross and said "it is finished". Jesus then gave up the ghost and died. Prophecy was fulfilled in His life, death and resurrection as He paid a debt He did not owe so we can have life in Him.

 

[ezra]

When one says they are finished that means they are done. This is what was meant as He hung on the cross and said "it is finished". Jesus then gave up the ghost and died. Prophecy was fulfilled in His life, death and resurrection as He paid a debt He did not owe so we can have life in Him.

exactly it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out what it is finished means the debt was paid ..might i add this is the exact reason i refused to reply for the life of me why do people complicate things... is beyond me

 

[for_his_glory]

If you interpret John 17:4 to mean that Christ had accomplished all his work prior to Calvary, was his passion, death and resurrection unnecessary?

It was through His passion, death and resurrection that was planned even before the foundation of the world that Jesus would come to earth and fulfill the sacrificial part of the laws that by the grace of God all who will believe in Jesus and are obedient to God's commands will have life eternal with the Father, Matthew 5:17, 18; John 3:16; John 17:4. That was accomplished on the cross when Jesus said it is finished, hung his head as he died giving up the ghost. Then buried and raised from His grave on the third day as He now sits at the right hand of God making intercession for all who will come to Him, Romans 8:34.

 

[GodsGrace]

Hi Rev,

I gave you a like because you put a lot of work into your post and it has a lot of information and I really like learning new things.

I've never heard all of the above before and tomorrow morning I'll be doing a little study on it.

I particularly liked this part of the post (which I highlighted)..

- Original: τέλειος - Transliteration: Teleios - Phonetic: tel'-i-os
- Definition: 1. brought to its end, finished
2. wanting nothing necessary to completeness
3. perfect as wanting and needing nothing
4. that which is at end
a. consummate human integrity and virtue
b. of men
1. full grown, adult, of full age, mature

I liked the above because it brought a lot to mind.
1. Jesus brought to an end the plan God for mankind's salvation from the beginning.
Genesis 3:17

2. Jesus fully completed the plan of salvation.

3. He accomplished everything perfectly...HE Himself was perfect and perfectly represented mankind as being in the likeness of God (which man could not do for himself).

4. The end of the salvation plan has been reached. Nothing more is necessary.


Here is what I found for the word
TELEO Strong's 5055
τετέλεσται (A. V. it is finished) everything has been accomplished which by the appointment of the Father as revealed in the Scriptures I must do and bear, John 19:30. equivalent to τελειόω, 2, which see (made perfect): 2 Corinthians 12:9 L T Tr WH.

Jesus accomplished everything the Father wanted Him to.

 

[GodsGrace]

Christ did what we were incapable of doing, which is pay the price for our sins with His own blood.


A pure and sinless life freely offered up to God on our behalf.


Thank you Jesus!

JLB

The Last Supper and crucifixion was a sign of the Mosaic, or "Old" Covenant when the blood of a lamb was put on the door posts of the enslaved Israelites.

Those of the time of Moses, and even before (Noah) were not able to keep their part of the Covenants (those that were bi-lateral) ; however, Jesus fulfills the Old Covenants and honors the New Covenant with His own blood and last sacrifice. In the O.T. times, sacrifices had to be offered over and over again,,,since Jesus' sacrifice was perfect, only one was necessary to satisfy to requirements of the New Covenant.

Jesus is our representative in the New Covenant by continually offering His sacrifice to God,,,as you have stated previously...He presents His sacrifice to God forever as was done by the Levite priests in the Holy of Holies.

It Is Finished can also mean this....
The end of the sacrificial system...it has been satisfied forever.

 

[GodsGrace]

I believe He also was quoting Psa.22:1-31
Teaching us...showing us..

Verse 1
My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me? Why art thou so far from helping Me, and from the words of My roaring?
....
All they that see Me laugh Me to scorn, they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,

He trusted on the Lord that He would deliver Him, let Him deliver Him, seeing He delighted in Him.
....
I am poured out like water, and all My bones are out of joint, My heart is like wax, it is melted in the midst of My bowels.
My strength is dried up like a potshred, and My tongue cleaveth to My jaws, and thou hast brought Me into the dust of death.
For dogs have encompassed Me, the assembly of the wicked have in closed Me, they pierced My hands and My feet.

I may tell all My bones, they look and stare upon Me.
They part My garments among them, and cast lots upon My vesture.
.....
For He hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted,
Neither hath He HID His face from Him,
But, when He cried unto Him, He heard.
.....
A seed shall serve Him, it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.
They shall come, and shall declare His righteousness unto a people that shall be born,
That He hath done this...it is finished..

This would apply to number 4 of His words from the cross.

It could also mean that He felt abandoned by the Father?
Some believe He meant that He had been betrayed by His very brethren (the Jews) and that the Father had abandoned Him to this hungry mob whom Jesus thought were His countrymen.

 

[GodsGrace]

That he had done everything that needed to be done.
He had finished.

Agreed.
But what needed to be done?
What had He finished?
Was all this His idea?

 

[GodsGrace]

Had he done everything that needed to be done at that point?

"The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again." (Luke 24:7)

You bring up a very interesting point.

When Jesus died on the cross the veil was torn open from top to bottom. The N.T. speaks of something not really understood by anyone, the opening of the tombs and some coming out.

Theologians do all agree that when the veil was torn, the gates of heaven were opened for those that had gone before and those that would die after.

So much of what Jesus was supposed to do had been finished at His death.

But then why is the resurrection so important?
Is it a part of the sacrifice?

I don't think so. I can't be dogmatic about this since I've never studied this.

It seems to me that the resurrection occurred to show that Jesus had won death and thus He also won our bondgage to sin and the enemy.

1 Corinthians 15:12-19
12Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised;
14and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain.
15Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised;
17and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.
18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
19If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied.

 

[GodsGrace]

Giving up the ghost means he died.



When He said "It is finished", he had neither died nor been resurrected. Therefore how could he have accomplished the sacrificial part of the laws?

To understand what happened and was finished on Good Friday, we have to go back to what began in the Upper Room on the evening before. It is only in this context does it become clear.

I'm just going through this thread now....sorry if I'm repeating.

What happened in the Upper Room....

Jesus instituted communion....
He offered His body as bread
and His blood as wine.

He said to remember this whenever the believers would meet in the future (do this in remembrance of Me).

There's a connection here.
He was offering His body and blood....
and the next day it happened literally.
Luke 22:14.........

 

[GodsGrace]

You can say he accomplished what he was sent to do, or his work on earth was finished.

He accomplished all that the Father gave him to do.

Or you can say the prophecy Ps. 69:21 was fulfilled when they gave him vinegar to drink.
John 19:30
When Jesus had received the vinegar, he said, “It is finished”; and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Psalm 69:20-22 Revised Standard Version (RSV)
20 Insults have broken my heart,
so that I am in despair.
I looked for pity, but there was none;
and for comforters, but I found none.
21 They gave me poison for food,
and for my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.

Wonderful MarkT !
This didn't come to mind, re Psalm 69.

But what do YOU believe Jesus came to do?

I ask this because there are a few different atonement theories and it's interesting to know which one we believe in (as individuals). (they're all valid).

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes. He accomplished all that the Father gave him to do. He said this before he was crucified.
John 17:4
I glorified thee on earth, having accomplished the work which thou gavest me to do;

21 They gave me poison for food,
and for my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink. Ps. 69:21

Jesus was sent to fulfill the prophets. So when this prophecy (what was written about him in scripture) was fulfilled, he said it is finished.

IOW,,,,
Jesus fulfilled so many prophesies from the O.T. and this was the last one... Psalm 69:21

Was it the last one though?
What about Jeremiah...Ezekiel...
"I will write my laws on their heart"
Jeremiah 31:33

 

[GodsGrace]

exactly it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out what it is finished means the debt was paid ..might i add this is the exact reason i refused to reply for the life of me why do people complicate things... is beyond me

Not everyone believes in the "debt was paid" theory of the atonement.

However, it's not wrong -- none of them are wrong since Jesus truly did accomplish everything.

I'm just replying to your comment that "it does not take a rocket scientist"...

yes,,,it does!

 

[ezra]

"it does not take a rocket scientist"...

yes,,,it does!

sorry but it dos not if one can not believe on the finished works of the cross . there not saved