The one world goverment

[Shilohsfoal]

This is a question for those who claim there is only one goverment which rules the world at the time of the end.

According to scripture at the time of the end the goverment of the south attacks the goverment of the north.

The question is,which of these two goverments is the one world goverment you claim is ruling the world?Is it the king of the north whos armed forces has been occupying Jerusalem for the previous 42 months or is it the king of the south who attacks the king of the north?

Daniel 11:40 - The King Who Exalts Himself

At the time of the end, the king of the South will engage him in battle, but the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots, horsemen, and many ships, invading many countries and sweeping through them like a flood.

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[Nathan12]

According to scripture at the time of the end the government of the south attacks the government of the north.

That Scripture is not applicable to the reign of the Antichrist: And the king of the south shall be moved with choler, and shall come forth and fight with him, even with the king of the north: and he shall set forth a great multitude; but the multitude shall be given into his hand. (Dan 11:11)

Daniel 11:1-19 is about Alexander's empire, and how it was split into four parts after his death, and eventually there was the Ptolemaic dynasty (kings of the south, meaning Egypt) and the Seleucid dynasty (kings of the North, meaning Syria) and how they battled one another. For details, study this article: http://www.zianet.com/maxey/Inter2.htm.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

That Scripture is not applicable to the reign of the Antichrist: And the king of the south shall be moved with choler, and shall come forth and fight with him, even with the king of the north: and he shall set forth a great multitude; but the multitude shall be given into his hand. (Dan 11:11)

Daniel 11:1-19 is about Alexander's empire, and how it was split into four parts after his death, and eventually there was the Ptolemaic dynasty (kings of the south, meaning Egypt) and the Seleucid dynasty (kings of the North, meaning Syria) and how they battled one another. For details, study this article: http://www.zianet.com/maxey/Inter2.htm.

If you dont know which of these two goverments is the one world goverment you should have just said you dont know and let someone with knowledge of the subject answer.

Ps
This chapter had nothing to do with Alexander.

 

[JLB]

This is a question for those who claim there is only one goverment which rules the world at the time of the end.

According to scripture at the time of the end the goverment of the south attacks the goverment of the north.

The question is,which of these two goverments is the one world goverment you claim is ruling the world?Is it the king of the north whos armed forces has been occupying Jerusalem for the previous 42 months or is it the king of the south who attacks the king of the north?

Daniel 11:40 - The King Who Exalts Himself

At the time of the end, the king of the South will engage him in battle, but the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots, horsemen, and many ships, invading many countries and sweeping through them like a flood.

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I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. Daniel 7:8

• before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots

The little horn will overthrow three horns.


The Point:


Just because there is conflict within this one world kingdom or government, doesn’t necessarily mean it’s not a one world ruling body.


Remember, Satan’s kingdom is divided and will not stand.




JLB

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. Daniel 7:8

• before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots

The little horn will overthrow three horns.


The Point:


Just because there is conflict within this one world kingdom or government, doesn’t necessarily mean it’s not a one world ruling body.


Remember, Satan’s kingdom is divided and will not stand.




JLB

Past tense. The little horn has already removed the three larger horns from the seven hilled city .
You haven't been watching the news.The little horn has had control of the seven hilled city since the late 60s.
Theres been alot of fuss about that.

But thats not what this thread is about.

 

[JLB]

Past tense. The little horn has already removed the three larger horns from the seven hilled city .
You haven't been watching the news.The little horn has had control of the seven hilled city since the late 60s.
Theres been alot of fuss about that.

But thats not what this thread is about.

It’s seems that for us to understand your perspective, that we must embrace your interpretation of these prophetic scripture and apply them to the people and nations you do.



Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. Revelation 13:1-7


This time frame is 42 months, or three and one half years.



The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.
Daniel 7:19-21


These are speaking of the same event, which involves both three and a half years, and the saints being given into his hands.



This is not about Rome and the 60’s.





JLB

 

[Shilohsfoal]

It’s seems that for us to understand your perspective, that we must embrace your interpretation of these prophetic scripture and apply them to the people and nations you do.



Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. Revelation 13:1-7


This time frame is 42 months, or three and one half years.



The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.
Daniel 7:19-21


These are speaking of the same event, which involves both three and a half years, and the saints being given into his hands.



This is not about Rome and the 60’s.





JLB

The scripture says nothing about Rome nor have I.

It has nothing to do with Rome and Rome is not in the pleasant land.

The seven hilled city is Jerusalem and it was little Israel who defeated Jordan,Syria,and Egypt during the six day war to capture the seven hills.

I dont know why people cant believe a little country like Israel cant be powerful and that its goverment cant govern its own country and the people within its borders.

Why do so many people believe Rome will govern the people of Israel?

Stop living in the past.The israeli goverment can destroy Rome and Europe .They dare not mess with nuclear Israel.They couldnt even stand up to Iran,much less Israel.

 

[JLB]

The scripture says nothing about Rome nor have I.

It has nothing to do with Rome and Rome is not in the pleasant land.

The seven hilled city is Jerusalem and it was little Israel who defeated Jordan,Syria,and Egypt during the six day war to capture the seven hills.

I dont know why people cant believe a little country like Israel cant be powerful and that its goverment cant govern its own country and the people within its borders.

Why do so many people believe Rome will govern the people of Israel?

Stop living in the past.The israeli goverment can destroy Rome and Europe .They dare not mess with nuclear Israel.They couldnt even stand up to Iran,much less Israel.

Your the one who claims the little horn uprooted the three in the 60’s.


That would be living n the past.



The time frame covers 3 1/2 years.


This is the time of the tribulation.


That is yet in the future.


Not in the 60’s




JLB

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Your the one who claims the little horn uprooted the three in the 60’s.


That would be living n the past.



The time frame covers 3 1/2 years.


This is the time of the tribulation.


That is yet in the future.


Not in the 60’s




JLB

The war between tge little horn and the three larger horns is not during the tribulation.
The tribulation does not begin untill a host is given to the little horn by its good ally the king of the north and abolishes the daily sacrifice which netenyahu is having a dificult time with now.
Your probably not even paying attention to whats taking place NOW !!!!

You need to pay attention to whats going on.

Israeli officials are trying to get Trump to pressure Liberman - report

The officials' intention is that one of Trump's close associates would call Yisrael Beytenu leader and explain the importance the United States sees in establishing a government.

www.jpost.com

The issue with Lieberman is the sacrifice and Israel becoming a goverment of jewish law which is not a good thing for christians in Israel.
Soon the king of the north shall give Israel a host who will abolish the conscription.This is the beginning if the tribulation of those christians in Israel.

Daniel 11:33 KJV: And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

 

[JLB]

The war between tge little horn and the three larger horns is not during the tribulation.
The tribulation does not begin untill a host is given to the little horn by its good ally the king of the north and abolishes the daily sacrifice which netenyahu is having a dificult time with now.
Your probably not even paying attention to whats taking place NOW !!!!

You need to pay attention to whats going on.

Israeli officials are trying to get Trump to pressure Liberman - report

The officials' intention is that one of Trump's close associates would call Yisrael Beytenu leader and explain the importance the United States sees in establishing a government.

www.jpost.com

The issue with Lieberman is the sacrifice and Israel becoming a goverment of jewish law which is not a good thing for christians in Israel.
Soon the king of the north shall give Israel a host who will abolish the conscription.This is the beginning if the tribulation of those christians in Israel.

Daniel 11:33 KJV: And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

Okay brother.


I have shown from my previous post the same 3 1/2 year time span that was in Daniel is also mentioned in the book of Revelation and refers to the great tribulation.



Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. Revelation 13:1-7


This time frame is 42 months, or three and one half years.



The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.
Daniel 7:19-21


These are speaking of the same event, which involves both three and a half years, and the saints being given into his hands.



If you don’t believe the 3 1/2 years period that is mentioned in both Daniel and the book of Revelation is not the great tribulation then that is up to you.








JLB

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Okay brother.


I have shown from my previous post the same 3 1/2 year time span that was in Daniel is also mentioned in the book of Revelation and refers to the great tribulation.



Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. Revelation 13:1-7


This time frame is 42 months, or three and one half years.



The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.
Daniel 7:19-21


These are speaking of the same event, which involves both three and a half years, and the saints being given into his hands.



If you don’t believe the 3 1/2 years period that is mentioned in both Daniel and the book of Revelation is not the great tribulation then that is up to you.








JLB

I said,the tribulation does not begin untill the king offhe north gives te little horn a host which abolisges the sacrifice and showed you the verse when the saints begin to be persecuted in Israel.

Daniel 11:33 KJV: And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

This is not the great tribulation.Jesus said in the gospel, the great tribulation begins after the abomination of desolation is set up which takes place 42 months after the sacrifice is abolished.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Jared Kushner traveling to Israel amid political turmoil

The president's son-in-law and senior adviser is tasked with reaching peace in the Middle East

www.cbsnews.com

Looks like kushner will solve the problem with the daily sacrifice.

 

[JLB]

I said,the tribulation does not begin untill the king offhe north gives te little horn a host which abolisges the sacrifice and showed you the verse when the saints begin to be persecuted in Israel.

Daniel 11:33 KJV: And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

This is not the great tribulation.Jesus said in the gospel, the great tribulation begins after the abomination of desolation is set up which takes place 42 months after the sacrifice is abolished.

My question to you is, do you believe the scriptures I quoted from Daniel and Revelation refer to the time period of the great tribulation?




JLB

 

[Shilohsfoal]

My question to you is, do you believe the scriptures I quoted from Daniel and Revelation refer to the time period of the great tribulation?




JLB

No.The great tribulation does not last three and a half years.The great tribulation happens at the time of the end,not three and a half years prior to the end.

The great tribulation takes place at the end of the 42 month occupation .

Daniel 12:1 KJV: And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy pe

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Matthew 24:21 KJV: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

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[JLB]

No.The great tribulation does not last three and a half years.The great tribulation happens at the time of the end,not three and a half years prior to the end.

The great tribulation takes place at the end of the 42 month occupation .

Daniel 12:1 KJV: And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy pe

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Matthew 24:21 KJV: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

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The great tribulation occurs in the middle of the “week”, when we see the abomination of desolation in the holy place.


That’s 3 1/2 years plus.


“Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), Matthew 24:15


Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”
Daniel 9:27


“At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time...“And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.
Daniel 12:1,11-12



JLB

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The great tribulation occurs in the middle of the “week”, when we see the abomination of desolation in the holy place.


That’s 3 1/2 years plus.


“Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), Matthew 24:15


Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”
Daniel 9:27


“At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time...“And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.
Daniel 12:1,11-12



JLB

The abomination of desolation is not placed in jerusalem till the end of the 42 month occupation after the beast(king of the south)has attacked and taken control of Jerusalem.

Then the armed forces use the aboinnation of desolation to destroy jerusalem and all,of the surrounding countries responsible.

There is no occupation after that.Jerusalem,is made desolate.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Daniel plainly states the great distress (tribulation)takes place at this time in this verse.

Daniel 12:1 KJV: And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy pe

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[JLB]

The abomination of desolation is not placed in jerusalem till the end of the 42 month occupation after the beast(king of the south)has attacked and taken control of Jerusalem.

Then the armed forces use the aboinnation of desolation to destroy jerusalem and all,of the surrounding countries responsible.

There is no occupation after that.Jerusalem,is made desolate.

Daniel plainly states the great distress (tribulation)takes place at this time in this verse.

Daniel 12:1 KJV: And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy pe

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Yes and it’s 3 1/2 years in duration.


And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. Revelation 13:5-7




JLB

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Yes and it’s 3 1/2 years in duration.


And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. Revelation 13:5-7




JLB

So you believe the great tribulation shall start at the resurection and continue for 42 months after Christ has come and raised the dead?

Daniel 12:1 KJV: And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy pe

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[JLB]

So you believe the great tribulation shall start at the resurection and continue for 42 months after Christ has come and raised the dead?

Daniel 12:1 KJV: And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy pe

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Jesus returns after the tribulation on the last day.


“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:29-31




JLB