GodsGrace
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I agree that the spirit gives life to man.I use the KJV because it's not copyrighted in America. I do accept other versions as legitimate. Although I do believe there are errors in the translations. That they others use living person or being strengthens my point that the soul is a living being.
The spirit. The Greek and Hebrew words that are translated spirit all mean wind, or breath, breath is wind. The English word spirit is a figurative usage of these Greek and Hebrew words. So, when we see the word spirit we have to understand that it is a figure of speech. The English word spirit has a it's definition the idea of a disembodied living being. The Greek and Hebrew words do not have this meaning. This creates a problem when the English reader imposes this English definition on the Greek and Hebrew words.
The breath or spirit is something of God. It is not of man. God put this into Adam and this breath or spirit gave Adam life. When the man dies we are told that this breath of spirit, part of God, returns to Him and the man, the body returns to dust. This breath is in every living being, man and animal. Job tells us that if God were to retrieve it all flesh would die.
When God breathed into Adam,,,,Adam was a dead form of dirt...In fact the word Adam does have something to do with dirt, or the color of dirt in that part of the world...I believe it means red dirt...but am not absolutely sure. It definitely means dirt....so,
Man was dead and had no life. God breathed life into man...man became alive and then God told man to multiply and gave to man all necessary means to multiply - just as God gave this same
capacity to plants and animals.
Genesis 1:24-25 All were to reproduce "after their own kind".
And, in fact, this is what we see in nature.
AFTER the fall, man remained alive but was the spirit of God still in him? Is the spirit of God in ALL men or just those that are born again? This is an important question to answer and will become key in this discussion.
An unsaved man does not have the spirit of God dwelling within him. Luke 11:13 tells us, in Jesus' words, that we must ASK for the Holy Spirit. And, we all know that in baptism the Holy Spirit is received in an indwelling way.
Can we agree that only the saved persons that seek God have the indwelling of the Holy Spirt?
Can we agree that this is different from that original FORCE that God breathed into Adam...
Can we agree that this force was lost after the fall when Adam was banished from the Garden and curses put upon him?
I agree but maybe not in the way that you understand the above.12 Yea, surely God will not do wickedly, neither will the Almighty pervert judgment.
13 Who hath given him a charge over the earth? or who hath disposed the whole world?1
14 If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath;1
15 All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust. (Job 34:12-15 KJV)
I have to assume you're a Trinitarian....God is Father, Son, Spirit.
The above is referring to God's Spirit....
This is a common belief. God upholds everything,,,If He stopped upholding the universe, it would collapse.
Colossians 1:17
17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
God holds all things together.
2 Peter 3:7
Hebrews 1:3
Job uses the words God's spirit...
Surely he means the Holy Spirit...
Job is the oldest book in the bible and revelation came to be more exact as time went by.
Gods' Spirit = The Holy Spirit
Yes, the life is in all things...the life is in the blood,Solomon also tells us that man and animal all have this same breath.
18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.1
19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?1 (Eccl. 3:18-21 KJV)
So, this breath or spirit of life is in all flesh. Paul tells us that God is giving life to all things. He uses the present tense to indicate that God is giving it, not gave it.
Leviticus 17:11a
11‘For the life of the flesh is in the blood
Certainly the Spirit is not in the blood.
Spirit, in Genesis, means life....
In Genesis 2:7 we read that God breathed LIFE into the man,
I don't understand this to be the Spirit of God....the Holy Spirit.
This breath or spirit is in everyone and upon death it returns to God.
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The spirit of the BORN AGAIN BELIEVER returns to God.
Not everyone has this spirit.
My point is:
1. God breathed the breath of LIFE into man.
2. Even if it WAS the Spirit of God,,,it was lost at the fall.
3. Unsaved persons do not have the Holy Spirit dwelling...so what would return to God?