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Agreed ... and faith requires something to believe (knowledge) and billions have no knowledge of Christ and therefore cannot be saved. (John 14:6)
How do you determine billions? Did you survey a billion people. God's word has gone out into every nation and if they have not heard then it's because they refuse to hear or seek Him. God said no one will be without excuse before Him on judgement day. Romans 1:20-21
I have been referring to New Testament saints as we have more information/knowledge of God and His requirements for salvation. It is unclear what the contents of O.T. saints was. Perhaps you have an example of an O.T. person who never heard of God save from 'general revelation' that is saved?
Is it not God's requirement of faith in the OT as well as the NT as Abraham comes to mind? Was the word made flesh different from the OT? Were not all who by faith believed in God not saved in the OT?
He cannot "come to Christ" if he never hears of Christ .... this being germaine to your question of me.
I am still waiting for you explanation of how a person who never hears of Christ is saved. Is it by faith and if so what is the content of the faith (what must one believe and not believe to be saved).
Many come to Christ in their own ways as they hear His small still voice calling them as the Holy Spirit draws them to God with conviction. Who are we to question or judge the heart of another.
 
No one is questioning that as it is a truth. What I am questioning is do you believe everyone since the time of Christ death and resurrection will be saved since Jesus tasted death for everyone?
I believe everyone Christ tasted death for will be saved, anyone who is lost, Christ didnt taste death for them.
 
I believe everyone Christ tasted death for will be saved, anyone who is lost, Christ didnt taste death for them.
Romans 3:22b-24, " For there is no distinction, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. But they are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus."

Nobody is excluded from this. All have sinned and all are justified.
 
Somehow, some way, we all know of God.
We all know in our spirit that God is where we want to be.
Maybe we think God will send someone to help us to heaven.
Maybe Jesus
Maybe angels
Maybe you and me
Maybe visions
Maybe dreams
Maybe some other way
But God died for the whole world so he didn't leave any one out, you can be sure of that.

Stop trying to figure out with your human mind.
It doesn't know enough to do that.
There's something missing in your understanding.
Maybe it's faith.
Maybe something else.
But God has the answers, not you or I.
 
Romans 3:22b-24, " For there is no distinction, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. But they are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus."

Nobody is excluded from this. All have sinned and all are justified.
It beats me why you made this comment !
 
It beats me why you made this comment !
Because I believe that what you posted is wrong. You wrote that anyone who is lost, Christ didn't taste death for them. That is contrary to Scripture. Christ died for all people. All people.

Romans 3:22b-24, "For there is no distinction, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. But they [all people] are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus."
 
Why do you say "Spiritually" reborn and "Spiritually" made new?
Were they not "actual" events in your life?
Because all things of God are Spiritual, not earthly. Our flesh, where the sin nature dwells, is as a filthy rag to God.

Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
 
I believe everyone Christ tasted death for will be saved, anyone who is lost, Christ didnt taste death for them.
Jesus came to call the unrighteous as He tasted death for those who are lost, but many refuse His call.

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Mark 2:16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?
Mark 2:17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
 
How do you determine billions?
I presented several websites several times that gave their method of estimating the number. You can do a GOOGLE search on "How many people have not heard of Christ for yourself to verify. You have to remember the question at hand which is TASTED DEATH FOR EVERY MAN. If even ONE person had not heard of Christ then the answer is NO. But I gave evidence of BILLIONS.
You can google the population of the world around 50 A.D. It is IMPOSSIBLE for a majority of people to have heard of Christ at that time.
Christ Himself said He has left people that He could have saved in a state that meant they would go to hell.
Matthew 11:20 Then He began to denounce [the people in] the cities in which most of His miracles were done, because they did not repent [and change their hearts and lives]. 21 “Woe (judgment is coming) to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon [cities of the Gentiles], they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes [their hearts would have been changed and they would have expressed sorrow for their sin and rebellion against God]. AMP
Christ could have saved the people of these cities. God said so Himself. Instead, He did not and left them to perish.

Did you survey a billion people.
This is a disingenuous question. Again, if I can find but one person who has not heard of Christ I have proved the Christ DID NOT TASTE DEATH FOR EVERYONE ... at least not in a practical sense that they might be saved. Are you saying EVERYONE who has ever lived has heard of Christ, of course not. Your avoided the clear evidence as you don't have a response to my questions of HOW ONE IS SAVED WITHOUT KNOWING CHRIST after His death.


God said no one will be without excuse before Him on judgement day. Romans 1:20-21
Agreed. So what? This is a statement of condemnation. It is NOT a method of salvation. The subject is: did Christ taste death for everyone. You must tell me how a person can be saved without knowledge of Christ. Perhaps you state like Stevebolts the the Talmud states one can be saved by not breaking 7 laws. Give me the method of salvation for those who did not hear of Christ. I've asked over and over. HOW, HOW, HOW???



Is it not God's requirement of faith in the OT as well as the NT as Abraham comes to mind?
Yes. I avoided that aspect of salvation as the content of faith is not as easily appropriated. But, go ahead and answer my question. What is the content of faith for an O.T. saint in order to be saved???? Please give a scripture. HOW, HOW, HOW???? Again, the thread is about the TASTING OF DEATH FOR EVERY MAN. Thus, if you believe this to be true then tell me how a 1282 B.C. North American Indian is saved; what must he believe to be saved (provide scripture) ... I suppose you can quote the Talmud or quran if you believe they are God's word, but give me something to validate your opinion beside "everyone is without excuse" which is not pertinent to the question of the thread.


Were not all who by faith believed in God not saved in the OT?
I can't answer that as you have not defined the content of faith. Plenty of people believe (faith) there is a God (i.e. The Muslims) yet we (or at least me) do not believe they are saved.


Many come to Christ in their own ways as they hear His small still voice calling them as the Holy Spirit draws them to God with conviction.
Again, you do not define "their own ways". As Paul said in Gal. 1:8 …But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be under a curse!
You say there is another gospel which contradicts Paul IMO, yet you won't describe it though you have been asked over and over and over. WHAT IS YOUR NEW GOSPEL OF SALVATION FOR THOSE WHO NEVER HEARD OF CHRIST? Please expound, or at least start the process of an explanation.


Who are we to question or judge the heart of another.
I believe God. I believe the Bible is the infallible word of God. I believe Paul said there is no other gospel by which one may be saved. I believe Christ when He said, "“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." Therefore, by believing upon Christ I can judge the hearts of all people who have not heard of Christ as people headed for hell and thereby state the Christ did not taste death of everyone without exception using simple logic of God's word.
 
I presented several websites several times that gave their method of estimating the number. You can do a GOOGLE search on "How many people have not heard of Christ for yourself to verify. You have to remember the question at hand which is TASTED DEATH FOR EVERY MAN. If even ONE person had not heard of Christ then the answer is NO. But I gave evidence of BILLIONS.
You can google the population of the world around 50 A.D. It is IMPOSSIBLE for a majority of people to have heard of Christ at that time.
Christ Himself said He has left people that He could have saved in a state that meant they would go to hell.
Matthew 11:20 Then He began to denounce [the people in] the cities in which most of His miracles were done, because they did not repent [and change their hearts and lives]. 21 “Woe (judgment is coming) to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon [cities of the Gentiles], they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes [their hearts would have been changed and they would have expressed sorrow for their sin and rebellion against God]. AMP
Christ could have saved the people of these cities. God said so Himself. Instead, He did not and left them to perish.


This is a disingenuous question. Again, if I can find but one person who has not heard of Christ I have proved the Christ DID NOT TASTE DEATH FOR EVERYONE ... at least not in a practical sense that they might be saved. Are you saying EVERYONE who has ever lived has heard of Christ, of course not. Your avoided the clear evidence as you don't have a response to my questions of HOW ONE IS SAVED WITHOUT KNOWING CHRIST after His death.



Agreed. So what? This is a statement of condemnation. It is NOT a method of salvation. The subject is: did Christ taste death for everyone. You must tell me how a person can be saved without knowledge of Christ. Perhaps you state like Stevebolts the the Talmud states one can be saved by not breaking 7 laws. Give me the method of salvation for those who did not hear of Christ. I've asked over and over. HOW, HOW, HOW???




Yes. I avoided that aspect of salvation as the content of faith is not as easily appropriated. But, go ahead and answer my question. What is the content of faith for an O.T. saint in order to be saved???? Please give a scripture. HOW, HOW, HOW???? Again, the thread is about the TASTING OF DEATH FOR EVERY MAN. Thus, if you believe this to be true then tell me how a 1282 B.C. North American Indian is saved; what must he believe to be saved (provide scripture) ... I suppose you can quote the Talmud or quran if you believe they are God's word, but give me something to validate your opinion beside "everyone is without excuse" which is not pertinent to the question of the thread.



I can't answer that as you have not defined the content of faith. Plenty of people believe (faith) there is a God (i.e. The Muslims) yet we (or at least me) do not believe they are saved.



Again, you do not define "their own ways". As Paul said in Gal. 1:8 …But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be under a curse!
You say there is another gospel which contradicts Paul IMO, yet you won't describe it though you have been asked over and over and over. WHAT IS YOUR NEW GOSPEL OF SALVATION FOR THOSE WHO NEVER HEARD OF CHRIST? Please expound, or at least start the process of an explanation.



I believe God. I believe the Bible is the infallible word of God. I believe Paul said there is no other gospel by which one may be saved. I believe Christ when He said, "“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." Therefore, by believing upon Christ I can judge the hearts of all people who have not heard of Christ as people headed for hell and thereby state the Christ did not taste death of everyone without exception using simple logic of God's word.
Majority's are always wrong.
 
Because all things of God are Spiritual, not earthly. Our flesh, where the sin nature dwells, is as a filthy rag to God.

Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
I'm sorry we can't agree on this.
To call the regenerated skin and bones "earthy" is quite far from my understandings of God's abilities.
As 2 Cor 5:17 says..."Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."...we have been enabled to walk in the Spirit...with those regenerated skin and bones.
I am no longer "born of the flesh".
 
Because I believe that what you posted is wrong. You wrote that anyone who is lost, Christ didn't taste death for them. That is contrary to Scripture. Christ died for all people. All people.

Romans 3:22b-24, "For there is no distinction, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. But they [all people] are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus."
You have a right to believe its wrong.
 
Jesus came to call the unrighteous as He tasted death for those who are lost, but many refuse His call.

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Mark 2:16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?
Mark 2:17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Jesus tasted death for those He brings to Glory. Those Christ tasted death for are delivered from the devil, death, and hell. He saved them from their sins as it was promised Matt 1:21 !
 
Jesus tasted death for those He brings to Glory. Those Christ tasted death for are delivered from the devil, death, and hell. He saved them from their sins as it was promised Matt 1:21 !
He tasted death for everyone, past, present, and future, not just those He brings to glory.
 
He tasted death for everyone He brings to Glory and delivered from death and the devil.
He tasted death for everyone, not just those "He brings to glory". He has delivered everyone from death and the devil, but they must accept His sacrifice on their behalf. If they don't then they are judged entirely on their own merits and "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God".

Romans 3:21-24, "But now apart from the law the righteousness of God (although it is attested by the law and the prophets) has been disclosed— namely, the righteousness of God through the faithfulness of Jesus Christ
for all who believe
. For there is no distinction, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. But they [all] are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus."
 
I'm sorry we can't agree on this.
To call the regenerated skin and bones "earthy" is quite far from my understandings of God's abilities.
As 2 Cor 5:17 says..."Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."...we have been enabled to walk in the Spirit...with those regenerated skin and bones.
I am no longer "born of the flesh".
I, as well as many others, have had this conversation with you many times over and over as you do not seem to understand that all things of God are Spiritual, done in the Spiritual realm of God. Do you just take those scriptures I/we give you and just throw them out the door?

Flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God, 1Corinthians 15:50. (Read from vs. 50-58)

It's our spirit/soul that is regenerated as we put of the old man and are Spiritually renewed in our inner man, meaning spirit/soul.
 
I, as well as many others, have had this conversation with you many times over and over as you do not seem to understand that all things of God are Spiritual, done in the Spiritual realm of God. Do you just take those scriptures I/we give you and just throw them out the door?

Flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God, 1Corinthians 15:50. (Read from vs. 50-58)

It's our spirit/soul that is regenerated as we put of the old man and are Spiritually renewed in our inner man, meaning spirit/soul.
That would imply that the reborn are only partially reborn.
I can't agree with that.
I am a new creature.
 
Agreed. So what? This is a statement of condemnation. It is NOT a method of salvation. The subject is: did Christ taste death for everyone. You must tell me how a person can be saved without knowledge of Christ. Perhaps you state like Stevebolts the the Talmud states one can be saved by not breaking 7 laws. Give me the method of salvation for those who did not hear of Christ. I've asked over and over. HOW, HOW, HOW???
Faith. Those before Christ lived by faith. It's all about faith in the one who created everything as God is seen in His creation. Christ tasted death for all, but not all will accept Him, even though He gives everyone a chance to repent and turn back to Him before it's to late.
 
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