Is the vaccine effective?

[JLB]

ever heard of medical exemptions ,even with the ucmj ordering the military that predates covid by decades ,you had medical exemptions .

I had a reaction to tetanus ,I told the medic he cleared me .I had to many in 5 years .

its that simple .

look the sun ,yes the sun can cause cancer in me ,I'm high risk . I was warmed in Afghanistan and wear hats if I know I'm out for a long time . I should add sunscreen ,natural thing as sun light can cause it

Do you believe military serviceman who refuse to receive an experimental vaccine that doesn’t prevent them from getting COVID or spreading COVID, should be forced to leave the military?

 

[JLB]

Just because JLB or anyone else who doesn't believe the CDC and thinks that the CDC is wrong doesn't mean that the CDC is wrong or it isn't what the data shows.

Just because Isilwen believes everything the CDC says is right doesn’t mean it is right, or the data the present is true.

Here is just a couple of things that are not true.



Below are statements made by the CDC:

• COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective.
• Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 408 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through October 18, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 8,878 reports of death (0.0022%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.

There are an estimated 329 million people in the USA.



There safe and effective but are not effective at preventing death by COVID. Furthermore we don’t know how many vaccinated people have died from COVID since the CDC is deceitful about the numbers.





JLB

 

[JLB]

Why is this the typical and often-used response? Isn't it possible that people aren't getting their information from mainstream media and actually doing the research?

Just because they disagree with you, it doesn't mean that they are being spoonfed by anyone or guillable.

I show the different sources for my info and you dismiss them in favor your favorite TV News channel.

 

[Isilwen]

Just because Isilwen believes everything the CDC says is right doesn’t mean it is right, or the data the present is true.

Here is just a couple of things that are not true.



Below are statements made by the CDC:

• COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective.
• Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 408 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through October 18, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 8,878 reports of death (0.0022%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.

There are an estimated 329 million people in the USA.



There safe and effective but are not effective at preventing death by COVID. Furthermore we don’t know how many vaccinated people have died from COVID since the CDC is deceitful about the numbers.





JLB

I never said everything I say is right, I do make mistakes and I am keenly aware of that fact.

What is it about the above that is misleading besides your sentence below where you quoted the CDC?

 

[Isilwen]

I show the different sources for my info and you dismiss them in favor your favorite TV News channel.

I don't watch TV news. That is a false statement meant to discredit me. Hell, I don't even watch broadcast TV unless it is to stream a TV show and not the news.

 

[JLB]

I never said everything I say is right, I do make mistakes and I am keenly aware of that fact.

What is it about the above that is misleading besides your sentence below where you quoted the CDC?

How many people reside in the United States?

 

[Isilwen]

How many people reside in the United States?

Okay, I think I see where you are going with this.

There are roughly 329.5 million people, but it says that over 408 million doses were administered. Is this where you say it is misleading?

 

[Corn Pop]

There can be more doses given than a population, it would depend how many have had two doses as it doubles the number.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Now they have a fourth dose coming out.
Who's ready for the fourth dose?
I'm sure they're working on a fifth as well.

 

[Isilwen]

There can be more doses given than a population, it would depend how many have had two doses as it doubles the number.

This is where I think JLB is saying the numbers are misleading as they aren't taking into account that Moderna and Pfizer are both two doses to have a complete first round of either vaccine.

 

[stovebolts]

• More than 408 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through October 18, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 8,878 reports of death (0.0022%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.

There are an estimated 329 million people in the USA.

Let’s have some fun with math and google.
A quick search for adults in the USA comes back 331 million
A quick search of population by age shows another 73 million 0-18 (rounding up) .
Search again by age and gender and we find 21 million age 10-14 and another 21 million age 15-19

So, total population 10 and older would be.
13 million 12-14 ( 21 million 10-14 minus 8 million to exclude 10 and 11 year olds)
17 million 15-18. (21 million 15-19 minus 4 million to exclude 19 year olds (21 / 5).
331 million 18 and up.
—————————-
361 million over 18

Vaccinations:
190 million fully vaccinated
30 million at least 1 dose
—————————-
210 million vaccinated.

Let’s break it down.
190 million fully vaccinated (1 or 2 shots)
30 million Johnson and Johnson single dose
—————————
160 million two shot doses
x2
——————-
320 million doses
+ 30 million J&J
———————-
350 million doses
+ 30 million at least one shot
————————
380 million doses

We are still short 28 million to hit 408 million doses. This can mostly be accounted for by boosters.
As of October 7th, 4.7 (5 million) boosters have been given
October 14 it was reported that the average daily booster rate was 360,000 boosters per day and rising.
That’s another 3million
———-//-/—
28 million
- 5 million
- 3 million
—————
20 million missing doses

I’m sure the 20 million could be found in there somewhere.

Summary:
380 million doses given
+ 8 million booster
————
388 million doses.

361 million Population 12 and older.

 

[jasonc]

Do you believe military serviceman who refuse to receive an experimental vaccine that doesn’t prevent them from getting COVID or spreading COVID, should be forced to leave the military?

they did that in the late 90s and 2000s.

you really don't get science ,with the anthrax there was an actual problem and it was caught .look I had that vaccine ,I was hesitant but honestly the anthrax shot was far worse on my arm .

yet that didn't have millions of shot recipients and was under the same concept .

you take risks ,you don't deploy with gear that protects you .I knew guys ago deployed without proper protection some died ,counter measures didn't exist ,the fda and Biden ordered it .Clinton ,bush sr made me get the anthrax ,I got the later series under bush

 

[jasonc]

they did that in the late 90s and 2000s.

you really don't get science ,with the anthrax there was an actual problem and it was caught .look I had that vaccine ,I was hesitant but honestly the anthrax shot was far worse on my arm .

yet that didn't have millions of shot recipients and was under the same concept .

you take risks ,you don't deploy with gear that protects you .I knew guys ago deployed without proper protection some died ,counter measures didn't exist ,the fda and Biden ordered it .Clinton ,bush sr made me get the anthrax ,I got the later series under bush

I add ,JLB you post biased sources to your leaning ,you often quote tucker carlson.
all fox news employees must be vaccinated and or tested often that was before the Biden mandate .

I ha've no love for corporate media ,fox ,oan(att) are part of the media. we are played

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/12/tucker-carlson-makes-great-point-about-fox-newss-vaccination-policy/

you get tested daily ,that's very annoying ,I cough ,and tear up,each time . some freedom there

 

[Free]

It's sad to see people who are Christians so gullible as to believe everything the mainstream media spoon feeds them.

The problem is, so far you are just basing everything on opinion and a bias against any authority that you already disagree with. You have not provided a single substantial source or any sound reasoning for your objections.

For instance, what you should start asking yourself is: if this is a conspiracy, what would the end goal be and what are the implications of that goal and the steps to get there?

On gullibility, I’ve had Christians post on social media about the vaccines being 99% graphene oxide. Other people, whether Christian or not, believe the vaccines contain little tentacled creatures. Of course some think they contain microchips. I had a Christian share a video with me about some doctor that supposedly found that the vaccines are attacking red blood cells. It’s as bad as all those people at the start of the pandemic that believed COVID was caused by 5G, so they burned down 77 5G towers in the UK. It’s all ludicrous.

I have yet to see any pro-COVID vaccine person post anything that approaches gullibility, especially the gullibility of the above examples. It only appears as gullibility if someone dismisses the existing data based on prior bias against that data or its sources.

 

[Milk-Drops]

Did your grandfather get the vaccine. Did I or anyone else try and stop him from getting a vaccine?

Quantrill

He died before it was available.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

The problem is, so far you are just basing everything on opinion and a bias against any authority that you already disagree with. You have not provided a single substantial source or any sound reasoning for your objections.

For instance, what you should start asking yourself is: if this is a conspiracy, what would the end goal be and what are the implications of that goal and the steps to get there?

On gullibility, I’ve had Christians post on social media about the vaccines being 99% graphene oxide. Other people, whether Christian or not, believe the vaccines contain little tentacled creatures. Of course some think they contain microchips. I had a Christian share a video with me about some doctor that supposedly found that the vaccines are attacking red blood cells. It’s as bad as all those people at the start of the pandemic that believed COVID was caused by 5G, so they burned down 77 5G towers in the UK. It’s all ludicrous.

I have yet to see any pro-COVID vaccine person post anything that approaches gullibility, especially the gullibility of the above examples. It only appears as gullibility if someone dismisses the existing data based on prior bias against that data or its sources.

Corinthians 6:14 – “do not be yoked together with unbelievers”

This is a Bible verse that many Christians neglect to apply to their lives.
If you listen to news sources that speak for non-Christians, then we should certainly not believe them or yoke with them.
In this case, they are pro-abortion and want to kill babies everyday.
We have nothing in common with them or with whatever they say.
Where do you stand on this?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

He died before it was available.

My father if he lived would have taken the vaccine.
He was afraid to die.

 

[Free]

Corinthians 6:14 – “do not be yoked together with unbelievers”

This is a Bible verse that many Christians neglect to apply to their lives.
If you listen to news sources that speak for non-Christians, then we should certainly not believe them or yoke with them.
In this case, they are pro-abortion and want to kill babies everyday.
We have nothing in common with them or with whatever they say.
Where do you stand on this?

To say that we have nothing on common with unbelievers or what they say would be untrue. It would be a misapplication of 2 Cor 6:14 to suggest that we therefore cannot listen to non-Christian news, as though only Christians tell the truth or don’t tell falsehoods.

 

[jasonc]

so their must a Christian only media where I can get ,the local water quality report ,classified info on military mission should I be recalled,etc ad nauseum

 

[Isilwen]

The problem is, so far you are just basing everything on opinion and a bias against any authority that you already disagree with. You have not provided a single substantial source or any sound reasoning for your objections.

For instance, what you should start asking yourself is: if this is a conspiracy, what would the end goal be and what are the implications of that goal and the steps to get there?

On gullibility, I’ve had Christians post on social media about the vaccines being 99% graphene oxide. Other people, whether Christian or not, believe the vaccines contain little tentacled creatures. Of course some think they contain microchips. I had a Christian share a video with me about some doctor that supposedly found that the vaccines are attacking red blood cells. It’s as bad as all those people at the start of the pandemic that believed COVID was caused by 5G, so they burned down 77 5G towers in the UK. It’s all ludicrous.

I have yet to see any pro-COVID vaccine person post anything that approaches gullibility, especially the gullibility of the above examples. It only appears as gullibility if someone dismisses the existing data based on prior bias against that data or its sources.

I can add to the ridiculousness. There was something about a Nobel prize winner who stated that all those that have been vaccinated will be dead by spring.

I looked it up and there is nothing which states that this person said anything except on a conspiracy site which of course used smoke and mirrors to present the information. There is nothing official linking said statement to this person.