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Is it something that has yet to come? And who gets anything put on their forehead? Might it be a bandana? Very strange. Here are a couple of verses from Revelations that discusses the "mark of the beast".

Revelation 13:16-17
And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Revelation 14:9-10
Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Mark-Of-The-Beast
 
Sure, but as Christians, the truth should be very important to us,

Pardon me bro but this makes you sounds as if you are identifying as a Christian. Last I heard you were not a Christian. Did you come to Christ or just had an exaggerated typo? Christian, yes-no?

we shouldn’t be believing things without evidence

But faith is the evidence of things unseen. A growing Christian will be walking the faith in God and that always grows faith because it those who walk in it (by being a doer and not just a reader) and at the same time it releases the power of the Kingdom of God into the world and miracles happen. It's simply Trust. Trusting God first and consciously in all things, even covid.

And the Bible warns us all over the place, they lie they deceive lies lies lies. So wherein does mankinds science (evidence lol) stand a chance to be trusted? I would say that there is a true science and truths, however, man twists everything, weaponizes everything, poisons everything and lies about it all down the line. Oh this is good for your children too they said. Bull cookies.

The United States Government and perhaps even the global elites have lost all credibility of late. Our US Medical system has now lost all credibility now also. And don't say, oh but these medical professionals saved these lives or those lives, because while being true...they are also people. Our people. (s'posed to be). We don't need the US gvmt any more. We shall live for our God and ourselves.

Huh? What? I guess I fell asleep and was dreaming for a few, lol
 
You ask any Christian who has a theory or belief on what Covid is and/or is not... and you will get the same answer... they believe that they KNOW what is going on....so... your comment about truth should be very important to us does not seem to hold water here within public forums of any kind.

We as humans only see what we have learned and experienced. Suggesting that one knows what the governments are or are not doing is conjecture and assumption at best.
Yes, and that is the point I am getting at. Christians ought to have a very high view of truth, but too much (even a bit is too much) of what gets posted on these forums and on social media is mere conjecture. I am not saying we can be absolutely certain about many things, however, some points of view have much more support or are more reasonable than others and are, therefore, more likely to be true.

The stance I have taken is that I do not listen to ANYONE...absolutely NO ONE on this topic of covid... I have brought all my thoughts and concerns to God... and asked Him to draw me ever closer to His heart at this time.

WE are on a trajectory that cannot be reversed... there have been secret powers at play for decades. Everyone has an agenda.
I agree. We also must remember that God is sovereign and has already told us in Scripture certain things about the end times, as murky as some of it is. So, I don’t even worry about any of it.

I have chosen NOT to get vaccinated due to my lifestyle as recluse. I stand behind my decision and accept the losses that this choice brings me.

Trying to find answers to a dilemma that has so many players involved is not possible in my opinion.

The best we can do is make choices to the best of our ability. Sadly... I feel the Christians have made a huge fuss
over something that has become political... and should have been a medical issue... GREED and POWER always takes over.
I believe there is also theology at play here, which many Christians have rejected in favour of their opinions and concern for rights over Scripture. My main concern throughout the pandemic has been the way how some Christians have responded, how they have negatively reflected Christ to the world, bringing his name and the Gospel into disrepute.
 
Free.... Can I ask why someone would ask you if you are a Christian? It's an odd question.
Do you believe Jesus is God? I don't care what your answer is but I really have a pet peeve about
people who do not believe this identifying as a Christian.
 
Pardon me bro but this makes you sounds as if you are identifying as a Christian. Last I heard you were not a Christian. Did you come to Christ or just had an exaggerated typo? Christian, yes-no?
You must have me confused with someone else. I’ve been a Christian for a very long time.

But faith is the evidence of things unseen. A growing Christian will be walking the faith in God and that always grows faith because it those who walk in it (by being a doer and not just a reader) and at the same time it releases the power of the Kingdom of God into the world and miracles happen. It's simply Trust. Trusting God first and consciously in all things, even covid.
But faith still rests and must rest on evidence. If Jesus didn’t actually die and rise again, our faith is in vain. And speaking of being a doer of the Bible, we are commanded to obey the authorities, as long as they don’t ask us to disobey God. That is where many Christians have failed during the pandemic.

And the Bible warns us all over the place, they lie they deceive lies lies lies. So wherein does mankinds science (evidence lol) stand a chance to be trusted? I would say that there is a true science and truths, however, man twists everything, weaponizes everything, poisons everything and lies about it all down the line. Oh this is good for your children too they said. Bull cookies.

The United States Government and perhaps even the global elites have lost all credibility of late. Our US Medical system has now lost all credibility now also. And don't say, oh but these medical professionals saved these lives or those lives, because while being true...they are also people. Our people. (s'posed to be). We don't need the US gvmt any more. We shall live for our God and ourselves.
The Bible warns that everyone is capable of deceit and lies and evil. Be very careful of just saying those you disagree with are capable of such things.

That last bit—“and ourselves”—contradicts living for God. We are to live for God and that is all. Full stop.
 
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I believe there is also theology at play here, which many Christians have rejected in favour of their opinions and concern for rights over Scripture. My main concern throughout the pandemic has been the way how some Christians have responded, how they have negatively reflected Christ to the world, bringing his name and the Gospel into disrepute.
I have the same concern... but I have handled the pandemic by assessing my priorities... Covid has made me absolutely realize how BLESSED I am... things I took for granted have suddenly all lit up as BLESSINGS... where I live... how I live... my beautiful daughter... my friends... my family.... It just all began to explode with JOY for me... so I do not see things as most do.

I don't have a clue what is going on... I may think I have an idea... but ... it's not worth talking about because no matter what anyone thinks... says or believes... the world as we knew it is gone... and it's not coming back... things are changing and from here on in... I believe they will be changing even faster.

I am A-ok with letting God work it all out... THIS is all too big for me.

What I do have control over is my relationship with GOD... and to be honest... I have never been in a better place than I am now... so... it's all a matter of perspective in my opinion.
 
Free.... Can I ask why someone would ask you if you are a Christian? It's an odd question.
Do you believe Jesus is God? I don't care what your answer is but I really have a pet peeve about
people who do not believe this identifying as a Christian.
The only reason would be mistaking me with someone else. I have a ton of old posts in the theology forum that should be available for viewing.
 
If I took the time to gather all my years of resources, and then took the time to deprogram one of all of the propaganda that they've believed over the years, then I could change someone's mind...probably. But to tell you the truth, it's just not that important to me.
If you want to take the vax, then knock yourself out. If you are going to, out of your ignorance, condemn me for not taking it, then I will try to agree to disagree with you. However, since the level of Christian maturity is so low these days, it won't take me long to put you on ignore.
I don't take the vax because I know better. If they want me to take the vax, they'll have to hold me down and force it on me.
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If I took the time to gather all my years of resources, and then took the time to deprogram one of all of the propaganda that they've believed over the years, then I could change someone's mind...probably. But to tell you the truth, it's just not that important to me.
If you want to take the vax, then knock yourself out. If you are going to, out of your ignorance, condemn me for not taking it, then I will try to agree to disagree with you. However, since the level of Christian maturity is so low these days, it won't take me long to put you on ignore.
I don't take the vax because I know better. If they want me to take the vax, they'll have to hold me down and force it on me.
Spoken like a solid tree with big eyes... HAHAHAHA
 
You are giving you opinion. We were talking about Covid, but since it wasn't going as you liked, you tried to, and continue to try to, shift the focus. As you are not interested in a fair conversation, I am not interested in talking with you. Goodbye.
Draw back a bit please as Free was asking you a question wanting your opinion in post #156.

Free asked: The question to ask then is: were previous pandemics and vaccines a part ‘of the global "deep state's" effort to ultimately control mankind and their numbers’?

This is a legit question and if you have no opinion on it just say so as it is fair conversation with a yes or no answer explaining either answer.
 
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Let's reel this back to the OP and try to respect everyone's points of views as no one knows what the mark of the beast will be. Some are getting close to making personal attacks on each other.
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And speaking of being a doer of the Bible, we are commanded to obey the authorities, as long as they don’t ask us to disobey God. That is where many Christians have failed during the pandemic.
What if that authority is Adolph Hitler ? All the German citizens had to do was obey and mind their own business for unspeakable things to happen in their own country .
 
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Draw back a bit please as Free was asking you a question wanting your opinion in post #156.

Free asked: The question to ask then is: were previous pandemics and vaccines a part ‘of the global "deep state's" effort to ultimately control mankind and their numbers’?

This is a legit question and if you have no opinion on it just say so as it is fair conversation with a yes or no answer explaining either answer.
I thought we were discussing Covid. I was asked about other plagues, I made it known that I didn't want to discuss them. I was then, in effect, told that since I knew nothing about them, I knew nothing about this one. To me, this was being a bit short of righteous. In my opinion. I strive to be respectful and fair to everyone.
 
What if that authority is Adolph Hitler ? All the German citizens had to do was obey and mind their own business for unspeakable things to happen in their own country . Did the German citizens sin by obeying and minding their own business ?
Even Hitler, to a point—it depends on what would specifically have been asked of the German citizens and their level of knowledge of what was happening. Of course, hating Jews and turning them in to authorities would be a clear contradiction of Scripture.

Remember, when those NT passages were written which command us to obey the authorities and honor the emperor, Christians were being persecuted by the very same authorities.
 
Which suggests you don’t know anything about the previous pandemics and vaccines.

I think it's like anything else. First they have a real need and are driven with the heart to save lives. But given enough time, the learn the ins and outs of it and decide at so point to weaponize it for to control the people.

Smallpox was a scourge upon humanity and was killing (way too many) people. The small pox vaccine was introduced by Edward Jenner in 1796, was the first successful vaccine to be developed. He observed that milkmaids who previously had caught cowpox did not catch smallpox and showed that inoculated vaccinia protected against inoculated variola virus. And Boom, smallpox was pretty much eradicated. But they've been playing with vaccines for 225 years now since then so it's not hard to imagine that they might be just a little bit untrustworthy by now.

They want to depopulate the earth. They have no interest in saving lives anymore. Why would they want more people living? More people opposing them, wanting more guns, More demonstrations, complaining and all that that opposeth them. No wonder they love abortion. Less people are easier to control than more people.

I don't think this covid vaccine is the mark of the beast. But I think it is probably a dry run for it. It almost has to be rfid chip because they simply must be able to link it with a Beep to our money. A wave of the hand or a scan of the forehead.

Hey if some people will have a forehead chip, will the new crime be to carry a hand held scanner with a portable drive and just scan their face on the bus, Beep.
Gotch yer money.

Hey wait, sir? Your forehead was declined. :lol
 
I won't push, but I will push back. I'm a libertarian, though I'm not a pushover...by anyone. I am a peace maker, but...
"
3 There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under the heavens:
2 a time to be born and a time to die,
a time to plant and a time to uproot,
3 a time to kill and a time to heal,
a time to tear down and a time to build,
4 a time to weep and a time to laugh,
a time to mourn and a time to dance,
5 a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,
a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing,
6 a time to search and a time to give up,
a time to keep and a time to throw away,
7 a time to tear and a time to mend,
a time to be silent and a time to speak,
8 a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace. - Ecclesiastes 3:1-8

Yep. And if it's time to bury the guns...then it's time to dig them up again. :wink
 
That is where many Christians have failed during the pandemic.

I agree.

When Jesus heard that, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.
Matthew 9:12

Why would people who are perfectly well go and have an experimental, unapproved vaccine injected into their body in direct violation of the words of Jesus Christ?


Furthermore why would we take medical advice from politicians?
 
I agree.

When Jesus heard that, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.
Matthew 9:12

Why would people who are perfectly well go and have an experimental, unapproved vaccine injected into their body in direct violation of the words of Jesus Christ?


Furthermore why would we take medical advice from politicians?
Why? Fear of death. Unbelief, if you ask me.
"27 The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?" - Psalm 27:1 KJV
"
6 Surely your goodness and love will follow me
all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the house of the Lord
forever." - Psalm 23:6 NIV
 
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Is it something that has yet to come? And who gets anything put on their forehead? Might it be a bandana? Very strange. Here are a couple of verses from Revelations that discusses the "mark of the beast".

Revelation 13:16-17
And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Revelation 14:9-10
Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Mark-Of-The-Beast

The entire book of Revelation speaks in terms of imagery.

This is deliberate because imagery can carry multiple meanings and associations. No study of Revelation can be complete without a parallel study of the book of Daniel. Daniel provides a template or pattern for understanding the textual imagery used by God's Word. If you learn from Danial you can understand Revelation.

One of the principles of interpretation for Daniel and Revelation suggests that use of a human-animal hybrid is a reference to Systems, Nations or Religions.

The book of Revelation makes numerous references to two beasts. One rises from the sea and the other inhabits land. The sea beast is defined as the Roman Catholic church. It is not a man because it is a religion that arises from all the people of the world (Rev 17:15). It sits upon seven hills (Rome) and it utters blaspheme (claims to be God) and seeks to change dates and times. (Daniel 7:25)

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in heaven and earth."
Barclay Cap. XXVII, p. 218. Cities Petrus Bertrandus, Pius V.

We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” -Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

The mark of the [religious] beast is seen on the hand and forehead. It isn't a tattoo and it isn't a computer chip. A mark on the head signifies ALLEGIANCE to the beast, to the religion. A mark on the hand, signifies ACTION taken in support of the beast, of the religion. This interpretation was understood to mean the RCC by the fathers of the Protestant Reformation, but at the end of the 16th century the RCC published a response (doctrines of demons) that has been accepted by the Protestant church without question or hesitancy.

It was originally called FUTURISM by its author Francisco Ribera, a Roman Catholic Jesuit priest. In the mid-19th century it was revived and given the new name DISPENSATIONALISM by John Nelson Darby. The post Civil War American protestant population embraced it and adopted it as gospel. Ultimately the dogma has clouded and misdirected believers ever since. Basically the doctrine suggests that the End Times would not happen until some distant point in the future and definitely would not involve the Catholic Church.

However, Revelation 13 predicts the death of a Pope and the subsequent restoration of the Vatican in Rome itself.

------History---------------[look this up]------------
Head wound - death of a Pope
(a horn or horns on a human-animal hybrid can be interpreted as a leader or succession of leaders)


In 1796, during the French Revolutionary Wars, French troops under Napoleon Bonaparte invaded Rome and captured Pope Pius VI, taking him as a prisoner to Valence France, where he died in 1799.

Healing the wound.....
The Lateran Treaty, also called Lateran Pact of 1929, treaty (effective June 7, 1929, to June 3, 1985)

The Lateran Pacts signed by Mussolini on 11 February 1929, had three parts: a political treaty (giving the Vatican its own micro-state), a financial convention (giving the Vatican reparations) and a concordat (giving privileges within Italy, for instance by letting the Church influence public education).


Recent history proves the book of Revelation focuses upon the RCC as the anti-Christ religion, which will be betrayed and destroyed by the same people it deluded.

The mark of the [religious] beast is therefore ALLEGIANCE to it and ACTION to support it.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft....
 
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