My friend said I should look into this so here I am lol

[PrimFinallyFoundGod!]

I've been leaning more toward Christianity, I mentioned wanting to keep the sabbath and my friend told me I should look into messianic Judaism. If someone could do a comparison to the typical Christian beliefs/rituals vs Messianic Judaism I'd be very grateful for that.

Thank you, God bless. <3

 

[Hidden In Him]

If someone could do a comparison to the typical Christian beliefs/rituals vs Messianic Judaism I'd be very grateful for that.

Several different brands of Messianic Christianity.

This guy should be able to give you a good answer to that, so I'll tag him for you.
- H

D-D-W

 

[PrimFinallyFoundGod!]

Several different brands of Messianic Christianity.

This guy should be able to give you a good answer to that, so I'll tag him for you.
- H

D-D-W

Thanks again

 

[D-D-W]

Hi Prim. Welcome to the forum.

What specific questions do you have?

 

[PrimFinallyFoundGod!]

Hi Prim. Welcome to the forum.

What specific questions do you have?

Well so far I've been looking into Christianity mostly. A friend mentioned messianic Judaism and I've never heard of this. I think it means they believe Jesus was the messiah? But there is probably more to it that distuingishes it than just that?

 

[Highway54]

I've been leaning more toward Christianity, I mentioned wanting to keep the sabbath and my friend told me I should look into messianic Judaism. If someone could do a comparison to the typical Christian beliefs/rituals vs Messianic Judaism I'd be very grateful for that.

Thank you, God bless. <3

Hi Prim, although many will argue about this, Christians are not required to keep the Sabbath law maam. Paul stated:
(Colossians 2:16, 17) . . .do not let anyone judge you about what you eat and drink or about the observance of a festival or of the new moon or of a sabbath. 17 Those things are a shadow of the things to come, but the reality belongs to the Christ.

Keep in mind everyone you know has violated the Sabbath, and that under the Law covenant those who violated the Sabbath was to be executed:
Nu 15:32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks upon the sabbath day.
Nu 15:33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
Nu 15:34 And they put him in ward, because it had not been declared what should be done to him.
Nu 15:35 And Jehovah said unto Moses, The man shall surely be put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
Nu 15:36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him to death with stones; as Jehovah commanded Moses.

 

[D-D-W]

Well so far I've been looking into Christianity mostly. A friend mentioned messianic Judaism and I've never heard of this. I think it means they believe Jesus was the messiah? But there is probably more to it that distuingishes it than just that?

There are many good books and papers describing what Messianic Judaism (MJ) is.

In brief, the original followers of Jesus (Yeshua) were all Jewish. All of the New Testament writers (with the possible exception of Luke) were Jews. And for the first few decades, Christianity was considered an offshoot branch of Pharasaic Judaism. Jews following a Jewish Messiah.

There are many stories about how Judaism and Christianity split; none of them any good. Some have the Jews throwing the Jesus followers out of the temple and synagogues, others have the gentile christians labeling the Jews as "Christ killers" and other antisemetic things. Both were violating scripture in doing so. Isaiah said the Temple was to be a house of prayer for all nations. (Isaiah 56:7) And in Romans 11, Paul says that salvation came to the Gentiles to make the Jews jealous.

Instead of pushing each other away, both sides were supposed to reach out to the other.

MJ is an attempt to continue the work of the early Jewish believing community, which remained until about 400 ad. The church considered them heretics for their Jewish practice and focus, while the Jews considered them heretics for following Jesus.

We consider ourselves to be more a sect of Judaism than a denomination of the church. Our doctrines are mainstream Christian AND mainstream Jewish. But our Christian doctrines are looked at afresh from Jewish eyes; and likewise the Traditional Jewish doctrines are viewed from a New Covenant perspective. Surprisingly little is in actual conflict between the 2 when you take that approach.

 

[PrimFinallyFoundGod!]

Hi Prim, although many will argue about this, Christians are not required to keep the Sabbath law maam. Paul stated:
(Colossians 2:16, 17) . . .do not let anyone judge you about what you eat and drink or about the observance of a festival or of the new moon or of a sabbath. 17 Those things are a shadow of the things to come, but the reality belongs to the Christ.

Keep in mind everyone you know has violated the Sabbath, and that under the Law covenant those who violated the Sabbath was to be executed:
Nu 15:32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks upon the sabbath day.
Nu 15:33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
Nu 15:34 And they put him in ward, because it had not been declared what should be done to him.
Nu 15:35 And Jehovah said unto Moses, The man shall surely be put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
Nu 15:36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him to death with stones; as Jehovah commanded Moses.

Hi this post was just wanting to know what messianic Judaism is I'm not sure what your point is?

 

[Highway54]

Hi this post was just wanting to know what messianic Judaism is I'm not sure what your point is?

I was commenting on this part of your statement Prim: I've been leaning more toward Christianity, I mentioned wanting to keep the sabbath and my friend told me I should look into messianic Judaism. If someone could do a comparison to the typical Christian beliefs/rituals vs Messianic Judaism I'd be very grateful for that.

My point is that as Christians we have been released from observing the sabbath through Jesus sacrificial death.

 

[PrimFinallyFoundGod!]

I was commenting on this part of your statement Prim: I've been leaning more toward Christianity, I mentioned wanting to keep the sabbath and my friend told me I should look into messianic Judaism. If someone could do a comparison to the typical Christian beliefs/rituals vs Messianic Judaism I'd be very grateful for that.

My point is that as Christians we have been released from observing the sabbath through Jesus sacrificial death.

Maybe so but it is a choice for Christians.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I've been leaning more toward Christianity, I mentioned wanting to keep the sabbath and my friend told me I should look into messianic Judaism. If someone could do a comparison to the typical Christian beliefs/rituals vs Messianic Judaism I'd be very grateful for that.

Thank you, God bless. <3

Mainline Christianity believes that the old covenant cycle of Feast and Sabbath keeping is no longer required to be kept in order to be in, and remain in covenant with God. And so that system of worship got laid aside in favor of the worship system that the Catholic Church invented.

The Catholic Church erroneously thought that it was wrong to keep the old covenant festivals and sabbaths for any and all reasons. But, actually, it is only forbidden to keep them to be justified by those observances. That is what is forbidden. But it has never been forbidden to worship and honor and remember God through the old covenant feasts and sabbaths. They are a picture of Christ and what he accomplished for God’s people through his Ministry and Sacrifice.

 

[D-D-W]

My point is that as Christians we have been released from observing the sabbath through Jesus sacrificial death.

I will take exception to that. The statement supposes that gentile christians at one time WERE obliged to keep the sabbath.

Exodus 31:17
It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed.

Gentile Christians are NOT the "sons of Israel."
Yes we are adopted. Yes we are grafted in. BUT we are not Israel proper.

The sabbath was never required of us, so there was nothing to be released from. There are requirements for gentile believers, and they are listed in Acts 15. Sabbath observance is not included.

 

[D-D-W]

Mainline Christianity believes that the old covenant cycle of Feast and Sabbath keeping is no longer required to be kept in order to be in, and remain in covenant with God.

See my answer above. "No longer required" again supposes that we at one time WERE obliged to keep those commands. We never were.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I will take exception to that. The statement supposes that gentile christians at one time WERE obliged to keep the sabbath.

Exodus 31:17
It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed.

Gentile Christians are NOT the "sons of Israel."
Yes we are adopted. Yes we are grafted in. BUT we are not Israel proper.

The sabbath was never required of us, so there was nothing to be released from. There are requirements for gentile believers, and they are listed in Acts 15. Sabbath observance is not included.

Deuteronomy 5:14

 

[Jethro Bodine]

See my answer above. "No longer required" again supposes that we at one time WERE obliged to keep those commands. We never were.

Deuteronomy 5:14

 

[Highway54]

Maybe so but it is a choice for Christians.

Yes maam, but if you choose to obey the Sabbath, you have basically vowed to do so to God, it would be best to honor your vows to Him if you choose to accept the Sabbath. May I ask what you know about the Sabbath?

 

[Highway54]

I will take exception to that. The statement supposes that gentile christians at one time WERE obliged to keep the sabbath.

Exodus 31:17
It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed.

Gentile Christians are NOT the "sons of Israel."
Yes we are adopted. Yes we are grafted in. BUT we are not Israel proper.

The sabbath was never required of us, so there was nothing to be released from. There are requirements for gentile believers, and they are listed in Acts 15. Sabbath observance is not included.

There are no differences in requirements for those of any nation D, be it natural Jews or Gentiles. Christians are under the law of the Christ. Even the Israel of God are made up from people of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues Rev 5:9,10

 

[PrimFinallyFoundGod!]

Let's stay calm.. I only wanted to know how Messianic Judaism differentiates from Christianity. As for my SMALL comment on the sabbath, I will practice it if I wish. It is about relaxing and making time for God and worship, not doing things you normally would like work and distractions like drinking or whatever, and replacing that time with more time for God. Whether you want to practice your faith in this way is entirely up to you. For me I want to do it as a way of committing and making time/space for God as well as peaceful reflection. I've been through a lot for someone my age and want to live a good Christian peaceful life while I'm on Earth. However you choose to do this is your choice, God gave us all the gift of free will.

Thanks everyone

 

[Randy]

Let's stay calm.. I only wanted to know how Messianic Judaism differentiates from Christianity. As for my SMALL comment on the sabbath, I will practice it if I wish. It is about relaxing and making time for God and worship, not doing things you normally would like work and distractions like drinking or whatever, and replacing that time with more time for God. Whether you want to practice your faith in this way is entirely up to you. For me I want to do it as a way of committing and making time/space for God as well as peaceful reflection. I've been through a lot for someone my age and want to live a good Christian peaceful life while I'm on Earth. However you choose to do this is your choice, God gave us all the gift of free will.

Thanks everyone

This is from the Jewish voice website. Not from my understanding of "identity" claims or statements.

Jewish people are descendants of the Twelve Tribes of Israel, and acknowledge Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as the patriarchs of Israel and the Jewish people. Historically, Jewish people have not acknowledged Yeshua (Jesus) as the Messiah promised to Israel.

2. Christians are typically non-Jews who have responded to Yeshua in faith to experience spiritual rebirth and reconciliation to God.

3. Messianic Jews are people of Jewish heritage who maintain their Jewish identity and acknowledge Yeshua as the Messiah.

This is from the testimony about the good news of Jesus the Christ, the Son of God

As in those who praise is from God. Those God calls His children.
Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

Keeping the Sabbath as in the law is a complete absence of work with even meals prepared in advance. (the day before just can't be on the Sabbath day) and you will read in the NT about a sabbath days walk.
In Acts 1:12, the distance between Jerusalem and the Mount of Olives is described as a "Sabbath day's walk."

I personally believe God desires Loving others as yourself way above sabbath observance in regard to honoring Him.
Judaism -serving/worshipping God under the written code
Christ -serving/worshipping God in the way of the Spirit. The law of love which does no harm to your neighbor. All the law is fulfilled.

As for identity for those in Christ from the testimony. Children of the promise.
And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.
As those who have the Spirit of Christ in them are one with Jesus. You in Him and He in you as Jesus taught. And Jesus is the seed (singular) of Abraham.
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.

 

[JLB]

I will take exception to that. The statement supposes that gentile christians at one time WERE obliged to keep the sabbath.

The Law of Moses required many things that are no longer required under the New Covenant.


The New Covenant is about each member having an exclusive and intimate relationship with the Lord.

Every believer can go to God and have a person relationship with Him, as well as be taught by Him.


Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
Jeremiah 31:31-34

• No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD.

The Lord desires for us to “know Him”, and be taught by Him, through communing with Him, and hearing His Voice.

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
John 10:28

He desires a relationship with each of us.

”Knowing Him” is the biblical definition of eternal life.

And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John 17:3


This “knowing“ is an intimate union with the Lord, whereby our spirit is joined in union with His Spirit, so that we become one spirit with Him.


But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
1 Corinthians 6:17


His deepest desire is for us to know Him.


Paul said it this way —


But more than that, I count everything as loss compared to the priceless privilege and supreme advantage of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord [and of growing more deeply and thoroughly acquainted with Him—a joy unequaled]. For His sake I have lost everything, and I consider it all garbage, so that I may gain Christ, Philippians 3:8 AMP




JLB