Thy will be done as it is in Heaven

[Whatever]

Mat 6:10 Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven.

This seems to imply that God's will is always done in Heaven.

Rev 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer.

Somebody could say:
"Sounds like the Prince of Peace cannot prevent war in Heaven any more than He does on Earth."

What say Y'all.

 

[LeviR]

Mat 6:10 Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven.

This seems to imply that God's will is always done in Heaven.

Rev 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer.

Somebody could say:
"Sounds like the Prince of Peace cannot prevent war in Heaven any more than He does on Earth."

What say Y'all.

The war in heaven as spoken in the prophecy of Jesus (Rev 12:7) does not refer to the heaven where God dwells but to the seat of power of earthly governments.
Paul speaks of the third heaven. That is where God dwells. Then there is the second heaven or atmosphere of the earth. And finally, there is the first heaven where the seat of power of governments dwell.
The principalities, powers and governments are the heaven of the earth. And therefore “the earth” is representative of the common people.

Revelation is highly symbolic, and it is therefore necessary that the prophets of old must be brought to view to correctly understand Revelation. As the book is the spirit or mind of the prophets.
The book is also the prophecy of Jesus and does not speak of things of the past but of things to come.
Jesus is said to be a prophet like that of Moses. And Moses, as the other prophets, speaks of things that are to befall the Jews is the latter or last days. The day of the Lord. The day of recompense. The day of His wrath. The day of Jacob’s trouble etc.

Revelation speaks of the song of Moses and of the Lamb which is further reference to the prophecy of Moses as it applies to the last days or day of vengeance yet to come upon God’s people(the Jews) and the nations at the coming of Christ.

Deu 32:1 - Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.

Deu 32:2 - My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

Deu 32:3 - Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.

Deu 32:4 - He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Deu 32:5 - They have corrupted themselves, * their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.

* “their spot” is “the mark” of the beast.

The above scripture is the beginning of the song of Moses which is the judgments to come upon the rebellious people of Israel in the latter days of their existence before the establishment of God’s kingdom on earth. The heavens of whom are to give ear are the government and the earth the common people.

The war to occur in heaven occurs among the leaders and government of the people of Israel against other nations.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Mat 6:10 Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven.

This seems to imply that God's will is always done in Heaven.

Rev 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer.

Somebody could say:
"Sounds like the Prince of Peace cannot prevent war in Heaven any more than He does on Earth."

What say Y'all.

The Prince of Peace actually had come to bring a sword, conflict is to be provoked within households, what say you?

“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. (Matt. 10:34-36)

 

[follower]

And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.

Whether it is only a few, or many, or some, people turning to The Creator for help must leave their household idols behind, and other practices of their own family, to follow Jesus. Families and communities not serving Jesus do not like it at all when someone from their midst does get immersed in Jesus' Name to be His.

 

[Whatever]

The Prince of Peace actually had come to bring a sword, conflict is to be provoked within households, what say you?

Yeah, but He came to a fallen, cursed world. Heaven isn't supposed to be like that.

 

[for_his_glory]

Kingdom of God here on earth in the end of days when all things will be made new again is what we need to be making ourselves ready for and preparing others for that glorious day. Rev 21

God will not always be in the third heaven as when all things are finished here on earth after the return of Christ God will make new again this present heaven and earth then He will usher down the New Jerusalem (Spiritual Kingdom of God). God will then be with us as the tabernacle of God is with men and He will dwell with us and we with Him forever. For now the kingdom of God is within us as we are made kings and priest of God as we reign with Christ here on earth until the seventh trumpet sounds and then the nations (kingdoms) of this world become the nations (kingdoms) of God and of Christ and He will be our God and we His people forever.

The tabernacle of God within the New Jerusalem is not that which is made by hand as neither is the New Jerusalem. When we are given spiritual bodies (glorified bodies) then we will see all things of God that are spiritual for in our mortal bodies we can not even perceive what the New Jerusalem will look like just as we can not even know what Christ looks like, but know we will be just like Him in our glorified bodies.

Third Heaven - This is where God, Jesus and the holy angels dwell plus the very breath of just men dwell as when we die it is that breath that returns back to God. It is called The heaven of heavens, (Deuteronomy 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27; Psalms 115:16; 148:4). (1Kings 8:27) The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. The third heaven is beyond the space and stars. Where no man has seen by telescope. This heaven is the dwelling-place of God (John 3:13).

Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. 13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Rev 5:10 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. (We are the Spiritual Kingdom of God on earth)

Rev 11: 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. (We are that Spiritual kingdom of God while here on earth as we reign with Him over the nations)

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Yeah, but He came to a fallen, cursed world. Heaven isn't supposed to be like that.

The world will be restored to its original Edenic state when Christ returns and his kingdom established.

 

[Whatever]

The world will be restored to its original Edenic state when Christ returns and his kingdom established.

No it won't. It will be a new Heaven and a new Earth. It will be a better regenerated Earth.

Isaiah 65:17 "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.

Revelation also tells us there will be no sun, no moon and no night. I'm pretty sure the pre-fall Eden had all these.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

No it won't. It will be a new Heaven and a new Earth. It will be a better regenerated Earth.

Isaiah 65:17 "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.

Revelation also tells us there will be no sun, no moon and no night. I'm pretty sure the pre-fall Eden had all these.

Yes, but before that there will be a millennial reign, that's what I'm talking about.

 

[I am a olive tree]

Yeah, but He came to a fallen, cursed world. Heaven isn't supposed to be like that.

The enemy, satan has corrupted all of the Lord's creation. This includes heaven. This is why not only earth will disappear but also heaven and then there will be a new heaven and new earth.

The saying," there is no sin in heaven" is a false teaching. The enemy, satan is from heaven. In 1 John 3:8 we learn satan has been sinning since the beginning. If this statement is true then there is sin in heaven. Read 1 Kings 22:19-23. To sum it up, the Lord wanted Ahab dead. One of the Lord's angels said I will cause his prophets to tell lies.

This is what you have to understand. The Lord created satan to tempt, accuse, and decieve. This was satan job. Why would the Lord do this? Because my God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is looking for authentic. He is looking for those who will endure until the end.

 

[Whatever]

The enemy, satan has corrupted all of the Lord's creation.

Your whole answer still doesn't answer the question.

Luke 11:1 Now it came to pass, as He was praying in a certain place, when He ceased, that one of His disciples said to Him, "Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples."
Luke 11:2 So He said to them, "When you pray, say: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven.

The disciples ask Jesus to teach them how to pray. One of the things Jesus told them to pray was that God's will would be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.
This seems to imply that God's will is always done in Heaven, and that they are to pray that this would also happen on Earth.

Rev 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought,

James tells us where war and fights come from:
James 4:1 Where do wars and fights come from among you? Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members?

If wars and fighting are breaking out in Heaven, why should be praying that this be done on Earth?

 

[Whatever]

Yes, but before that there will be a millennial reign, that's what I'm talking about.

That is a false dispensational idea that is made up by misinterpretation of passages.

 

[I am a olive tree]

Your whole answer still doesn't answer the question.

Luke 11:1 Now it came to pass, as He was praying in a certain place, when He ceased, that one of His disciples said to Him, "Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples."
Luke 11:2 So He said to them, "When you pray, say: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven.

The disciples ask Jesus to teach them how to pray. One of the things Jesus told them to pray was that God's will would be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.
This seems to imply that God's will is always done in Heaven, and that they are to pray that this would also happen on Earth.

Rev 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought,

James tells us where war and fights come from:
James 4:1 Where do wars and fights come from among you? Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members?

If wars and fighting are breaking out in Heaven, why should be praying that this be done on Earth?

Jesus did not come to bring peace. He came to bring division. There will be war until the end and the one who brings peace will be the man of lawlessness. Judaism and Islam both look to a messiah that will bring peace. Thier messiah will be the antichirst. Be careful looking for peace because you will find destruction. We are not promised peace until we are on the new earth. The will of the Father is for us to endure until the end and be with Him forever on new earth.

 

[Whatever]

Jesus did not come to bring peace. He came to bring division.

Yes, on Earth. I'm asking did Jesus bring or cause war in Heaven?
If there was already wars and fighting in Heaven, why would I want to pray for the same thing to happen here?

You are missing the question. You keep coming back to Earth after the fall. Not what the Holy, Holy, Holy heaven is like.

 

[I am a olive tree]

What I believe right now in my life through my interpretation of the bible is this; satan was doing what the Lord created him to do when he "tempted " Adam and Eve(The Fall). I do not believe the war in heaven or satans fall from heaven was until either Jesus's death or His resurrection. During this three day period satans job became void. The Lord could no longer see or know of man's sin because of what my Savior Jesus of Nazareth did on the cross. Jesus is now the judge and prosecuter. satan could no longer stand before the Lord and accuse the saints day and night. This enraged satan and a war started and satan and a third of the angels were cast out of heaven to the earth.

I don't know how you believe about Genesis 6 but that is a separate event from satans fall from heaven.

I don't necessarily believe we can understand the creation of heaven and earth in the sense of time. I think it's arrogance of man to say it was 6 earth days and that's it. That being said I think by the time day 6 came around satan had already started his corruption of all of creation. I believe heaven was corrupted before the earth was created. I do not believe the current heaven was holy if ever for very long.

In your question you said," did Jesus cause war in heaven?" Yes, by what He did through His death, burial, and resurrection. The war was to remove satan and his curruption. So, we are praying for new earth to come where satan will not be which is the Father's Will.

If this still does not answer your question please be patient with me. I am trying my best. As CS Lewis said, " Don't be your best but try your best."

 

[for_his_glory]

Mat 6:10 Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven.

This seems to imply that God's will is always done in Heaven.

Rev 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer.

Somebody could say:
"Sounds like the Prince of Peace cannot prevent war in Heaven any more than He does on Earth."

What say Y'all.

Rev 12:7-12 The only war that will ever take place in the third heaven where God sits on His throne will be that when the Arch Angel Michael and his angels fight against Satan and his angels casting them down to the ground having no more access to stand before God accusing the brethren. It's not a military war with weaponry like here on earth, but a spiritual war in heaven of only having to speak God's words against Satan and his angels casting them out of heaven forever.

 

[for_his_glory]

The enemy, satan has corrupted all of the Lord's creation. This includes heaven. This is why not only earth will disappear but also heaven and then there will be a new heaven and new earth.

The saying," there is no sin in heaven" is a false teaching. The enemy, satan is from heaven. In 1 John 3:8 we learn satan has been sinning since the beginning. If this statement is true then there is sin in heaven. Read 1 Kings 22:19-23. To sum it up, the Lord wanted Ahab dead. One of the Lord's angels said I will cause his prophets to tell lies.

This is what you have to understand. The Lord created satan to tempt, accuse, and decieve. This was satan job. Why would the Lord do this? Because my God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is looking for authentic. He is looking for those who will endure until the end.

The heaven in question is the third heaven where God sits on His throne as there is no sin in the third heaven. What ever the name of who we now call Satan was created by God being perfect in all his ways until iniquity was found in this angel when God placed him in the garden in Eden.


There are three heavens:
First heaven - The firmament, Earths Atmosphere -which is the immediate sky, where the “fowls of the heaven” (Genesis 2:19; 7:3,23; Psalms 8:8, etc.), “the eagles of heaven” (Lamentations 4:19), it is our atmosphere that surrounds the earth.

Second Heaven - Outer Space, the starry heavens (Deuteronomy 17:3; Jeremiah 8:2; Matthew 24:29).
The second heaven is the starry heavens, where our atmosphere ends. It is the heavens in which the sun, moon, and stars are fixed in orbit.

Third Heaven - This is where God, Jesus and the holy angels dwell plus the very breath of just men dwell as when we die it is that breath that returns back to God. It is called “The heaven of heavens,” (Deuteronomy 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27; Psalms 115:16; 148:4). (1Kings 8:27) - “The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. The third heaven is beyond the space and stars. Where no man has seen by telescope. This heaven is the dwelling-place of God (John 3:13).

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[I am a olive tree]

Where does Job 1:6 fit in?

 

[I am a olive tree]

Is lying a sin? Read I kings 22:19-23

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

Mat 6:10 Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven.

This seems to imply that God's will is always done in Heaven.

Rev 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer.

Somebody could say:
"Sounds like the Prince of Peace cannot prevent war in Heaven any more than He does on Earth."

What say Y'all.

After Jesus' 72 disciples returned from their first missionary journey, he said that he saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven (Luke 10:18), thus making the statement that he had defeated Satan's power that had previously been in existence to enter heaven and plead with the Father against believers, the way he had done against Job in the first two chapters.