[__ Science __ ] The Reckoning of Time

[Barbarian]

Your opinion is so noted. But for the record, I'm not using any particular human interpretation. I'm using the very words that the one who created it all has told me is the truth of the matter.

I notice those words have always been interpreted in different ways by Christians from ancient times on. Even ancient Jewish theologians were not in agreement on them.

 

[Barbarian]

Not to put too fine a point on it, but I think your statement should be that the evidence from the creation...

And that's exactly what Paul wrote to us in that passage of Colossians that I posted previously. We try to understand by looking at what has been created rather than trying to understand things by looking at the Creator. The universe was made as it needed to be made to fulfill God's purpose for its creation. Man looks at it and studies it and comes up with all sorts of ideas as to 'how' it was made. And that's exactly why believers are instructed to gain their understanding from the Creator rather than the created.

God says otherwise...

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are inexcusable.

He says that creation itself is a reliable guide to the truth.

 

[Barbarian]

Just as you deny the seemingly clear account of the flood that it covered the whole earth

God says it covered the land. But He doesn't say it covered the whole Earth. That is an interpretation of man.

 

[miamited]

So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people,

I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth.

I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish.

That's what God said, according to the Scriptures.

 

[miamited]

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are inexcusable.

He says that creation itself is a reliable guide to the truth.

That's not what that passage says. He says that we, you and I, can understand the invisible things of God from what has been made. His eternal power and divinity are understood by what He has made.

 

[Barbarian]

That's not what that passage says. He says that we, you and I, can understand the invisible things of God from what has been made. His eternal power and divinity are understood by what He has made.

"being understood by the things that are made"

Creation itself tells us about God, from the creation of the world.

 

[Barbarian]

That's what God said, according to the Scriptures

Actually, he said "land" not "the entire Earth." The "under heaven" was a figure of speech; the Earth is not a flat disk below a disk-shaped heaven and above the great sea under the Earth. Surely God knows this.

 

[hawkman]

The OP is about time , let us keep Noah out if possible . There are plenty of Noah threads already going .

 

[Elijah7777]

6I believe man's domain on earth will be approximately seven thousand years. I have often wondered where the reckoning of man's time on earth begins.

Moses and Peter tells us that a day is 1,000 years. At the end of the ice age 13,000 years ago the earth was very different at that point in time from what the Earth is today. The real transition took place 6,000 years ago in the Garden of Eden when God breathed life into Adam and Eve.

If you want to understand time creation scientist Gerald Schroeder helps us with that. Time "grabs hold" when matter condenses from the substance-less substance of the Big Bang creation. When matter condenses, congeals, coalesces out of this substance so thin it has no material substance, that's when the biblical clock starts.

Of course, when we deal with Physics on a PhD level, it is no longer fifth-grade math. On that level we would say the universe started fast, almost like pressing "fast forward" on a video. But as matter became real, time slowed down into the steady pace we know today.

This idea helps explain why the universe could feel both young and old depending on how we look at it!

Gerald Schroeder - Articles - Age of the Universe

 

[Rockytopva]

God took issue with Job... Immediately questioning his knowledge on the timeline of things...

1 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? - Job 38

 

[Elijah7777]

literal 24 hour days

What is a literal 24-hour day? When is sunrise and sunset? Depends on where you are. If you are standing on the north pole, a day is six months and a night is six months. Of course, the north pole does not exist. So the question is how close can we get to this imaginary point or the Earth's axis. How FAR can we get. How close do we get to the sun, and how far do we get from the sun? Not only the rotation of the Earth. But the moon. Earth and the sun affect each other.

The Moon is slowly moving away from Earth, causing our days to become longer over time.

Right now, the Moon drifts about 3.8 cm (1.5 inches) away from Earth each year. This affects Earth's rotation, making it spin more slowly, which means our days are gradually getting longer. Scientists estimate that 1.4 billion years ago, a day on Earth lasted just 18 hours because the Moon was much closer.

Muslims can eat at sunset during Ramadan, the holy month of fasting. Each day, they fast from dawn until sunset, and the fast is broken with a meal called iftar.

At the Burj Khalifa, the tallest building in Dubai, there is a time difference in sunset depending on the floor! Because of the building’s height (828 meters), the top floors experience sunset about 2-3 minutes later than the ground level. This means that during Ramadan, Muslims on higher floors must wait longer to break their fast.

If they want to break their fast sooner, they have to go to the ground floor.

 

[Elijah7777]

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

The question is: What is the question?

In Genesis, Moses records that God spoke creation into existence—His word carried absolute power, bringing light, land, and life into being. In Job God laid the foundation.

In Job 38, God describes creation to Job with imagery of laying foundations, like a builder carefully constructing something strong and purposeful. This emphasizes order and wisdom, showing that creation wasn’t just instant but also structured and intentional.

 

[Elijah7777]

Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

A line connects two points, but in the digital age, a point doesn’t physically exist—it’s a concept. This is especially important in nanotechnology, where precision is everything. My son helped build a factory producing nano resistors, and in this field, temperature control must be extremely exact and precise. Even small variations can affect the size, shape, and properties of nanoparticles.

For the most part, these resistors are used in automotive applications, raising the question: How long should a car last before repairs become necessary? I have a 20-year-old furnace, and I’ve had to replace the circuit board twice—they do not repair them. They require an entirely new board each time.