Did Jesus have a human Spirit or the Spirit of God sense He is man and God?

[Carry_Your_Name]

Did Jesus have a human Spirit or the Spirit of God sense He is man and God?

Here are the answer to your question in the OP. Jesus has a will of his own, he doesn't have a spirit of his own, his spirit is the Holy Spirit from above.

“The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God." (Lk. 1:35)
Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. (Mt. 1:20)
When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. (Mt. 3:16)
 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (Jn. 3:6)

 

[Corinth77777]

That's the spirit of the world (1 Cor. 2:12), of bondage (Rom. 8:15

1 Cor, Nor Romans 8 say the human spirit is from the world

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

1 Cor, Nor Romans 8 say the human spirit is from the world

Human has no spirit by and of themselves, spirit comes from the Lord, breathed into the body, Gen. 2:7. It cannot be born of the flesh, Jn. 3:6.

 

[Corinth77777]

Human has no spirit by and of themselves, spirit comes from the Lord, breathed into the body, Gen. 2:7. It cannot be born of the flesh, Jn. 3:6.

God has always been the creator..we were made in his image.
.......
And the God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Our spirits are shaped
The will is an aspect of the spirit

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

God has always been the creator..we were made in his image.
.......
And the God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Our spirits are shaped
The will is an aspect of the spirit

Soul is the body activated by the spirit, it's not a separate entity. Our personalities are shaped by the spirits we received.

 

[Corinth77777]

Here are the answer to your question in the OP. Jesus has a will of his own, he doesn't have a spirit of his own, his spirit is the Holy Spirit from above.

I would say if He had his own will He had his own spirit. He was man. The way man connect with God is by way of their human spirit.

“The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God." (Lk. 1:35)

This is what I am trying to find out:
That is the nature or substance of Christ flesh and Spirit? Putting the possibility out there that this is his outward nature;
God and man, being that his mother is Mary and Father Spirit.

So, while Jesus tells Nicodemus He is merely born of flesh. He must be born of the spirit who came from above.

Nicodemus has a spirit within him but it's dead to God. His spirit must be quickened from above.

TO redeemed and restore is one reason Jesus came.

Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. (Mt. 1:20)
When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. (Mt. 3:16)
 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (Jn. 3:6)

Soul is the body activated by the spirit, it's not a separate entity. Our personalities are shaped by the spirits we received.

Everyone has a view. The spirit, will and heart are said to be closely related. The center that needs redeeming.

Do not fear the one that can destroy the body, but body, soul and spirit in Ghenna...[ don't quote me off head]

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. Eze 36

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I would say if He had his own will He had his own spirit. He was man.

No he didn't.

This is what I am trying to find out:
That is the nature or substance of Christ flesh and Spirit? Putting the possibility out there that this is his outward nature;
God and man, being that his mother is Mary and Father Spirit.

So, while Jesus tells Nicodemus He is merely born of flesh. He must be born of the spirit who came from above.

Nicodemus has a spirit within him but it's dead to God. His spirit must be quickened from above.

TO redeemed and restore is one reason Jesus came.

Jesus was man AND God, body and spirit. Body from virgin Mary's ovary, spirit from God. "Human spirit" is a misnomer. Nicodemus had no Holy Spirit of his own, he can make no contribution to a spiritual birth, just as a fetus can make no contribution to a physical birth, but rather hinderance by appearing in a wrong position, causing excruciating pain to the mother and big trouble for the obstetrician, midwife and nurses.

Do not fear the one that can destroy the body, but body, soul and spirit in Ghenna...[ don't quote me off head]

That's referring to the SECOND death, see Rev. 20. "Ghenna" is a geographic location near Jerusalem, literally meaning "valley of Hinnom". Historically apostate Israelites performed child sacrifice in there, which provoked the wrath of God; at Jesus's time, it was a dumping ground of garbage and dead bodies, the most disgusting, terrifying place for the Jews, Jesus used that as a cultural reference to teach the second death.

 

[Randy]

No, that's the spirit of the world. Mankind is made out of dust, no one can generate their own spirit, it always comes from somewhere.

Yes, God is our heavenly Father. His Holy Spirit alone forms all spirits according to their kind. Hence God our "Father".
The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

Angels are spirits as well. God is Spirit. In this case the spirit of a man as in human spirit.

My spirit knows my thoughts and acts on my will. Just as the Spirit of God intercedes according to the will of the mind of God.
And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

Likewise was Jesus's own spirit the spirit of Man or the Spirit of God the Son?

It was His spirit. As in the spirit He calls His own.
"Father into your hands I commit "My" spirit"

Just as the Fathers promise calls the Spirit His own. The Spirit that proceeds from the Father and is sent in Jesus's name. The Spirit Jesus sends He received from the Father.

"In the last days I will pour out MY Spirit..."

The spirit is life the flesh counts for nothing as Jesus states.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Likewise was Jesus's own spirit the spirit of Man or the Spirit of God the Son?

Neither, Jesus was the incarnation of God, born of the Holy Spirit, conceived by Virgin Mary, He had no spirit of his own or any earthly origin. Any other spirit that's not the Holy Spirit is a demonic spirit roaming on the earth, see Job 1. What he called "My" spirit was the Holy Spirit from heaven, Mt. 3:16, received from God, returned to God.

 

[Corinth77777]

I would say if He had his own will He had his own spirit. He was man. The way man connect with God is by way of their human spirit.

This is what I am trying to find out:
That is the nature or substance of Christ flesh and Spirit? Putting the possibility out there that this is his outward nature;
God and man, being that his mother is Mary and Father Spirit.

So, while Jesus tells Nicodemus He is merely born of flesh. He must be born of the spirit who came from above.

Nicodemus has a spirit within him but it's dead to God. His spirit must be quickened from above.

TO redeemed and restore is one reason Jesus came.




Everyone has a view. The spirit, will and heart are said to be closely related. The center that needs redeeming.

Do not fear the one that can destroy the body, but body, soul and spirit in Ghenna...[ don't quote me off head]

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. Eze 36

The oracle of the word of the Lord concerning Israel: Thus declares the Lord, who stretched out the heavens and founded the earth and formed the spirit of man within him:
For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth? Ecc 3:21

1 Cor
But he who is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him.

Rom1:9
For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I mention you

 

[Corinth77777]

I would say if He had his own will He had his own spirit. He was man. The way man connect with God is by way of their human spirit.

This is what I am trying to find out:
That is the nature or substance of Christ flesh and Spirit? Putting the possibility out there that this is his outward nature;
God and man, being that his mother is Mary and Father Spirit.

So, while Jesus tells Nicodemus He is merely born of flesh. He must be born of the spirit who came from above.

Nicodemus has a spirit within him but it's dead to God. His spirit must be quickened from above.

TO redeemed and restore is one reason Jesus came.




Everyone has a view. The spirit, will and heart are said to be closely related. The center that needs redeeming.

Do not fear the one that can destroy the body, but body, soul and spirit in Ghenna...[ don't quote me off head]

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. Eze 36

A new
The heart, will, and spirit are practically the same. They are the activators behind what we do. And that is why we need them redeemed; along with our bodies. When they are redeemed then they are like one, permeated. For when the our spirit, heart and will are redeemed then the body does or becomes what is within it. Therefore the scripture that says: first make the inside of the cup clean and the outside will be clean as well.

In my thought, the giving of a new heart, and new spirit means there was one there in the first place; Plus the stony one is said to be removed.

Man is a slave to sin before He receives the Spirit from God. What seems to have happen is the deeds of the body formed our spirit and this was spiritual death that led to physical death. So the only way the natural course of life lead, is to death. Now, having been given the Holy Spirit there is a way out. We are free from serving the power of the flesh which is death.

Here is a thought: every man that came from Adam had a human spirit...it was passed down, or let me imaginarily take a huge leep and say: every child who was born in the world takes his first breath from the world.

Anyway, what is seems is redemption comes to our spirit/will/ heart when we stay wrapped up in the things of God.
Then we are one in unity with Him. Therefore his word does not go back void. It accomplishes what it is set to do for those who obey.

My thoughts
An interesting way to change the world is to change the attitudes, thoughts and therefore behavior of the people in it.

 

[Corinth77777]

Neither, Jesus was the incarnation of God, born of the Holy Spirit, conceived by Virgin Mary, He had no spirit of his own or any earthly origin. Any other spirit that's not the Holy Spirit is a demonic spirit roaming on the earth, see Job 1. What he called "My" spirit was the Holy Spirit from heaven, Mt. 3:16, received from God, returned to God.

Can what is holy be defiled?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Can what is holy be defiled?

The flesh can be, the spirit can not.

 

[Randy]

Neither, Jesus was the incarnation of God, born of the Holy Spirit, conceived by Virgin Mary, He had no spirit of his own or any earthly origin. Any other spirit that's not the Holy Spirit is a demonic spirit roaming on the earth, see Job 1. What he called "My" spirit was the Holy Spirit from heaven, Mt. 3:16, received from God, returned to God.

God is Spirit how then could God not have a Spirit of His own? So you believe the Spirit of God the Son was in that body or that the HS is not His Spirit? Which one?

What part of Jesus descended from above and was in that body and afterwards ascended to where He was before if NOT His own spirit?

I didn't read what you state that the spirit Jesus claimed as His own and committed into the Fathers hands was not His spirit.

The spirits of disobedience that were cast out of heaven by God are demons. Jesus drove those spirits out of people. The Spirit of man formed within him by God are not demons.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

God is Spirit how then could God not have a Spirit of His own? So you believe the Spirit of God the Son was in that body or that the HS is not His Spirit? Which one?

What part of Jesus descended from above and was in that body and afterwards ascended to where He was before if NOT His own spirit?

Sir, with respect, there's only one spirit, the spirit of God in Gen. 1:2, the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Holy Trinity, the promised Helper. There're other godly spirits such as the spirit of counseling or loving kindness, but there's no separate "spirit of God the Son", what you think as Jesus's "own" spirit" is the Holy Spirit descended from heaven. I'm not interested at playing your word game.

 

[Corinth77777]

Sir, with respect, there's only one spirit, the spirit of God in Gen. 1:2,

if power is nuetal, power can be used for good or bad

The goal is to use good power. How power is used can be redeemed.

sense in many cases we use our power to get what we want.

Now if power is not nuetral then we have a problem. What would a philosopher say.

the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Holy Trinity, the promised Helper. There're other godly spirits such as the spirit of counseling or loving kindness, but there's no separate "spirit of God the Son", what you think as Jesus's "own" spirit" is the Holy Spirit descended from heaven. I'm not interested at playing your word gagame.

The flesh can be, the spirit can not.

If power means force or activity- that woud mean the activity in and of itself is not good nor evil. It would be the reason behind the use of power that make power good or evil. So then what is in need of redemption. The reason behind the use of power is our thoughts. So its thoughts that are good or evil.
What are thoughts that are against God any thoughts that oppose faith in God.
Thoughts themselves aRe not power but influence the use of power?

Are our thoughts power ?
But inclination is power.
Another words thinking on the thoughts is you.
So where does inclination come from?
From desire or will..?
And how is the will created or formed?
Is the will created by what we give power to; the flesh or Spirit. But there was no way to heed to the Spirit until we received the Spirit.

So what you are saying Carry, is man is not born with a spirit. He recieves a spirit and that spirit connects with man's mind where his thoughts are? So then man has a mind. The body, soul, and mind
Inclination of the thoughts is power..
And the birth from above gives one power to think outside of the effects of death, their natual abilities; Allowing one to know the power and life outsife of themselves.

Headache...I probably have to come back to this in 3 days...lol
Im sure I made no sense

So then Spiritual aspects of a peron those not seen outwardly do not make them The Spirit.

 

[RandyK]

What do you mean by your question? Do you mean the channel, means, or what? God gave me the Spirit to be able to trust in Jesus 66 years ago when I was sixteen by way of an intellectual adventure in his Word. He uses different means for different Christians with the same goal for all of us.

My goodness, Bruce--did you know John the Baptist? ;) But seriously, it's great to know you've walked with the Lord for so long! You have a unique view of things Christian from high up on the mountain.

I was born and raised up in Christianity, albeit a very weak form of it. My Lutheran upbringing had strong doctrine, but very weak spiritual experience.

It was when I backslid and turned back to the Lord that I read the Scripture, "God gives His Spirit to those who obey Him." That's when I became conscious of the Spirit wanting to indwell me regularly in a more pronounced way when I daily consider His guidance in love and in holiness.

 

[RandyK]

What you're exploring touches directly on the Council of Chalcedon (451 AD), which formulated the doctrine that Christ has two natures (divine and human) in one person. The language they used was that Jesus is "truly God and truly man" - complete in both natures.

Your insight about the distinction between Jesus's will and the Father's will ("not my will but yours be done") points to something theologians call the "hypostatic union." This refers to how Jesus maintained both fully divine and fully human natures simultaneously. The Garden of Gethsemane moment demonstrates that Jesus had a genuine human will that could experience tension with the divine will, yet ultimately submitted to it.

Regarding your question about "begotten" versus "created" - this distinction is important historically! The Nicene Creed (325 AD) specifically used "begotten not made" to express that Jesus shares the same substance (homoousios) with the Father, rather than being a creation. Your intuition about "substance" here aligns with how the early church fathers articulated this mystery.

Your reflection on "I and the Father are one" touches on what theologians call "perichoresis" - the mutual indwelling of the persons of the Trinity. While maintaining distinct personhood, there is complete unity of purpose and nature.

Wow, that was so well said, and said better than I could've hoped to say! Thank you.

 

[RandyK]

Here are the answer to your question in the OP. Jesus has a will of his own, he doesn't have a spirit of his own, his spirit is the Holy Spirit from above.

Jesus certainly had a finite human spirit that proceeded from God's eternal revelation of Himself. That is, what Jesus came to be was a form of what God had always been.

God can create things not being Himself, and He can create finite representations of Himself, whether angel or man. God created Jesus a human spirit who truly expresses the Person of God in a limited way. Being limited Jesus is still the eternal, infinite God.

 

[Randy]

Sir, with respect, there's only one spirit, the spirit of God in Gen. 1:2, the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Holy Trinity, the promised Helper. There're other godly spirits such as the spirit of counseling or loving kindness, but there's no separate "spirit of God the Son", what you think as Jesus's "own" spirit" is the Holy Spirit descended from heaven. I'm not interested at playing your word game.

Its not a game. You state the HS was not Jesus's Spirit yet there is only one Spirit of God. I agree to that statement.
The Father was called out by Jesus as the only true God. How then could the Spirit of God NOT be His Spirit? Why would the Fathers Spirit be a third person? You have read the Spirit of truth. Wasn't the Father identified as the source of the truth/message that Jesus testified to? Clearly the Father has sent both His Son and Spirit into the world and those who listen and learn from Him go to Jesus.

This is His/Jesus's spirit as I read not as you state.
"Father into your hands I commit MY spirit"

The spirit of a man is not a demon. A fallen angel is a demon as angelic in nature.

The church states the Son of Man had the spirit of a man. Yet in some unexplainable way He was all God as well.

So you don't follow the church in this matter as well.

To me the Son who was, His spirit, was in the body prepared for Him. That He is begotten of the Father alone before all things, (His spirit), with a beginning before the world began. That He has always been the Son. The Firstborn.

Col 1:19
That IN Him it pleased all the fullness of the Fathers Deity to dwell, gifted not formed. While He is not coeternal
He is All that the Father is and one with the Father as He taught. God from true God not true God from true God.

This is truth.
God was the Logos.
This is truth.
The Father is the only "true" God. He alone is unbegotten.

Jesus's own spirit is not the spirit of a man nor is His spirit the Holy Spirit or Spirit of truth.

Jesus is God's Firstborn. A child of the Father who is His God and Father always.
One God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ. The throne of God and of the lamb forever. As in sovereign authority.

The only Deity you will read in the Son of Man is the Father living in Him doing His work. They are one. The Spirit of God acted on Jesus's point of will as if He was the Father Himself. If you have seen the Son, you have seen the Father.