Did Jesus have a human Spirit or the Spirit of God sense He is man and God?

[Carry_Your_Name]

if power is nuetal, power can be used for good or bad

The goal is to use good power. How power is used can be redeemed.

sense in many cases we use our power to get what we want.

Now if power is not nuetral then we have a problem. What would a philosopher say.

If power means force or activity- that woud mean the activity in and of itself is not good nor evil. It would be the reason behind the use of power that make power good or evil. So then what is in need of redemption. The reason behind the use of power is our thoughts. So its thoughts that are good or evil.
What are thoughts that are against God any thoughts that oppose faith in God.
Thoughts themselves aRe not power but influence the use of power?

Well, with great power comes great responsiblity, that's all I'm sayin'.

Are our thoughts power ?
But inclination is power.
Another words thinking on the thoughts is you.
So where does inclination come from?
From desire or will..?
And how is the will created or formed?
Is the will created by what we give power to; the flesh or Spirit. But there was no way to heed to the Spirit until we received the Spirit.

Just keep the second law of thermodynamics in mind - in a CLOSED, ISOLATED system without external input, everything NATURALLY deteriorates from an orderly state to a disorderly state. Therefore the natural inclination is from good to evil, it's like sliding down from a slope or floating downstream, if you don't do anything against the grain, you naturally decline. That's how God's perfect creation is being ruined. It's not the devil, it's the entropy.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Jesus certainly had a finite human spirit that proceeded from God's eternal revelation of Himself. That is, what Jesus came to be was a form of what God had always been.

God can create things not being Himself, and He can create finite representations of Himself, whether angel or man. God created Jesus a human spirit who truly expresses the Person of God in a limited way. Being limited Jesus is still the eternal, infinite God.

Are Jesus the Son and God the Father One? As Jesus stated, "I and my Father are one?" If so, there can be only one spirit, the spirit of God. Can't be any spirit of his own. Jesus performed miracles by the power of the Holy Spirit, he was resurrected by the power of the Holy Spirit. God the Father had not always been a man, He appeared to the Israelites as a cloud and a fire, Jesus appeared as a man.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Its not a game. You state the HS was not Jesus's Spirit yet there is only one Spirit of God. I agree to that statement.
The Father was called out by Jesus as the only true God. How then could the Spirit of God NOT be His Spirit?

It is a game. It is abundantly clear that there's only one Holy Spirit, the same one in Gen. 1:2, Lk. 1:35, Mt. 1:20, Mt. 3:16, Jn. 3:6.

This is His/Jesus's spirit as I read not as you state.
"Father into your hands I commit MY spirit"

The spirit of a man is not a demon. A fallen angel is a demon as angelic in nature.

The church states the Son of Man had the spirit of a man. Yet in some unexplainable way He was all God as well.

So you don't follow the church in this matter as well.

There's no separate, different human spirit in Jesus. I've said it repeatedly that "MY spirit" therein is the Holy Spirit. The Son of Man had the spirit of God, not spirit of any man, because no man can generate his own spirit, what is flesh is born of flesh, what is spirit is born of spirit. "The Son of Man had the spirit of a man" is against Jesus's teaching in Jn. 3:6. You're not following the Scripture.

To me the Son who was, His spirit, was in the body prepared for Him. That He is begotten of the Father alone before all things, (His spirit), with a beginning before the world began. That He has always been the Son. The Firstborn.

The simple fact of the matter is, the Word was God and was with God at the beginning, but was the Word incarnated at the beginning? Was Jesus the Son in the Eden with Adam? I don't think so. To me, only was the Son incarnated in Jn. 1:14 in 1st century Nazerath, precisely at God's timeing. His existence is one thing, His incarnation is another, the two shall not be conflated. Also, the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Holy Trinity, distinct from the Father and the Son. If you believe that the Father loves the Son and the Son obeys the Father, then the Holy Spirit is the loving bond between the Father and the Son.

 

[Randy]

It is a game. It is abundantly clear that there's only one Holy Spirit, the same one in Gen. 1:2, Lk. 1:35, Mt. 1:20, Mt. 3:16, Jn. 3:6.

You say its a game. Maybe that's the problem -yours not mine. The body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit Jesus sent He received from the Father. Acts 2 Why would He need to receive His own Spirit from the Father? There is no teaching that the Son of Man's spirit is anything but the one He claimed as His own, The Son who was, His spirit, was in that body. The Father is the only true unbegotten God. The Spirit of God is His always.

There's no separate, different human spirit in Jesus. I've said it repeatedly that "MY spirit" therein is the Holy Spirit. The Son of Man had the spirit of God, not spirit of any man, because no man can generate his own spirit, what is flesh is born of flesh, what is spirit is born of spirit. "The Son of Man had the spirit of a man" is against Jesus's teaching in Jn. 3:6. You're not following the Scripture.

Its not the spirit of a man. Its the spirit of the Son who was. The spirit of the firstborn not the Father. His spirit is very clear to all no matter what you believe that spirit to be. What part of Jesus descended and was in that body if not His own spirit?

The simple fact of the matter is, the Word was God and was with God at the beginning, but was the Word incarnated at the beginning? Was Jesus the Son in the Eden with Adam? I don't think so. To me, only was the Son incarnated in Jn. 1:14 in 1st century Nazerath, precisely at God's timeing. His existence is one thing, His incarnation is another, the two shall not be conflated. Also, the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Holy Trinity, distinct from the Father and the Son. If you believe that the Father loves the Son and the Son obeys the Father, then the Holy Spirit is the loving bond between the Father and the Son.

The simple fact as well is the person of the Father is the only true God.
The Spirit of God is the Spirit of the only true God the Father. There is only one.
Jesus is before Adam. Jesus is before the world began. Jesus is before the angels of God. He is the Firstborn. Gods Firstborn. And in Him it was pleased to dwell all the fullness of God the Father. Col 1:19 So while He is all that the Father is, God, He is not coeternal. The Son who was, His spirit, was in the body God prepared for Him.

The Fathers promise.
In the last days I will pour out "MY" Spirit.....

The Spirit Jesus sends He received from the Father. Acts 2

It's one God the Father from whom all things come including truth and one Lord Jesus Christ through whom all things come.

The Spirit of truth or Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the ONLY true unbegotten God. God our Father.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

You say its a game. Maybe that's the problem -yours not mine. The body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit Jesus sent He received from the Father. Acts 2 Why would He need to receive His own Spirit from the Father?

Simple, that's the start of his ministry, the archetype of all spiritual births after him.

There is no teaching that the Son of Man's spirit is anything but the one He claimed as His own, The Son who was, His spirit, was in that body. The Father is the only true unbegotten God. The Spirit of God is His always.

The Son of Man was baptized, then the Holy Spirit descended upon him. All the power or authority Jesus received was from the Father, he gave credits to whom credits were due, he didn't claim any of that as his own, it was the Pharisees who accused him of blasphemy.

Its not the spirit of a man. Its the spirit of the Son who was. The spirit of the firstborn not the Father. His spirit is very clear to all no matter what you believe that spirit to be. What part of Jesus descended and was in that body if not His own spirit?

The Son and the Father are ONE, not two. The Lord is God, the Lord is ONE, Deut. 6:4. They're one precisely because they are of one spirit, there is no separate spirit of his own. That ONE spirit was returned to the Father on the cross, period.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

The simple fact as well is the person of the Father is the only true God.
The Spirit of God is the Spirit of the only true God the Father. There is only one.
Jesus is before Adam. Jesus is before the world began. Jesus is before the angels of God. He is the Firstborn. Gods Firstborn. And in Him it was pleased to dwell all the fullness of God the Father. Col 1:19 So while He is all that the Father is, God, He is not coeternal. The Son who was, His spirit, was in the body God prepared for Him.

The Fathers promise.
In the last days I will pour out "MY" Spirit.....

The Spirit Jesus sends He received from the Father. Acts 2

It's one God the Father from whom all things come including truth and one Lord Jesus Christ through whom all things come.

The Spirit of truth or Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the ONLY true unbegotten God. God our Father.

Not co-eternal? Then you're denying the holy trinity doctrine, the fundemantal tenet of Christianity. To be honest, I have some doubts on the term "co-equal" and the inconsistency in the definition of "person", but co-eternal is absolutely certain, I believe that part with all my heart.

 

[Randy]

Not co-eternal? Then you're denying the holy trinity doctrine, the fundemantal tenet of Christianity. To be honest, I have some doubts on the term "co-equal" and the inconsistency in the definition of "person", but co-eternal is absolutely certain, I believe that part with all my heart.

It should be clear to you everything Jesus has He received from His God. Including the Deity that was pleased to dwell in Him. Col 1:19

About the SON.
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

I agree in part.
Begotten of the Father alone before all things but not made,

 

[Randy]

Simple, that's the start of his ministry, the archetype of all spiritual births after him.

In acts 2 Jesus was in heaven.
He needs to ask and receive another to send His "own" Spirit? And speaks of His own spirit as another?
I disagree. Its the Fathers Spirit whom He sends in Jesus's name. The Father is the only true God and its His Spirit always.

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—

The Son of Man was baptized, then the Holy Spirit descended upon him. All the power or authority Jesus received was from the Father, he gave credits to whom credits were due, he didn't claim any of that as his own, it was the Pharisees who accused him of blasphemy.

The Son and the Father are ONE, not two. The Lord is God, the Lord is ONE, Deut. 6:4. They're one precisely because they are of one spirit, there is no separate spirit of his own. That ONE spirit was returned to the Father on the cross, period.

The Spirit of the one who sent Him was upon Him. Who did Jesus state sent Him? Whose message did Jesus deliver? The Spirit of truth is the Fathers Spirit.

The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is on me,
because the Lord has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim freedom for the captives
and release from darkness for the prisoners

But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.

Its clear to me God my Father sent both His Son and His Spirit into the world to testify truth FROM HIM.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

It should be clear to you everything Jesus has He received from His God. Including the Deity that was pleased to dwell in Him.

Then it is clear, He received the Holy Spirit from the Father, along with the "dunamis" power. His deity, however, is inherent, for he is the Son of God.

... declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. (Rom. 1:4)

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

In acts 2 Jesus was in heaven.

So what? Christianity started with Jesus's ministry, He was the first who received the Holy Spirit in that way, everybody else followed his pattern.

He needs to ask and receive another to send His "own" Spirit? And speaks of His own spirit as another?
I disagree. Its the Fathers Spirit whom He sends in Jesus's name. The Father is the only true God and its His Spirit always.

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—

He did ask John the Baptist for baptism, but he didn't ask for the Holy Spirit, it descended upon Him, becuase it had a mind of its own, as the wind blows. As long as you use the term "his own spirit", you're fallaciously begging the question.

Its clear to me God my Father sent both His Son and His Spirit into the world to testify truth FROM HIM.

Yes, the second and third of the holy trinity. Technically Jesus has seven spirits of God, but none of them is a separate "spirit of the son of man".

And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth. (Rev. 5:6)

 

[Corinth77777]

I am going to put this out there to consider:

That spirit does not have to mean the holy spirit.

Say for example the mind and thoughts these are spiritual aspects of a person in a body.

Is the mind part of the Physical or the spiritual

God communicates with people by some type of spiritual aspect.

A.
When the breath of God was blown into men at the beginnig of creation...did God take it back after man sinned?
1. If not where was it.
B. Was it Holy?

 

[Corinth77777]

It is a game. It is abundantly clear that there's only one Holy Spirit, the same one in Gen. 1:2, Lk. 1:35, Mt. 1:20, Mt. 3:16, Jn. 3:6.

There's no separate, different human spirit in Jesus.

It's all in the meaning of spirit
Thoughts are not power but inclining thoughts in the spiritual world can be.

The term spirit has many meanings and one must decipher the differences.

Are thoughts spiritual? yes. Thoughts are not seen...The things seen are temporal the things unseen eternal.

can a thought be a spirit? Yes

you can have a wrong thought;s
or a right thought;s

That would make the will an aspect of the spirit because the will by my definition is what one is inclined to do in a given situation; that is determined by experiences or thinking thoughts.

So just because God blew is breath in man doesnt mean He blew Himself. It sounds like He spoke and man came alive. Now what was his breath? His word? Thought process, inclination or something else? A spirit from Him does not have to be Him or does it?
For we were made in the likeness.

I've said it repeatedly that "MY spirit" therein is the Holy Spirit. The Son of Man had the spirit of God,

I think, in the fact that Jesus learned obedience, He had experiences and his experiences shaped His will. And His will became the will of God. As the statement be Holy because I am Holy.
Jesus was an example. He always obeyed the father and His father never left Him alone.

not spirit of any man, because no man can generate his own spirit,

And yet, man did not, they were created in the image of God. The likeness...which means men would be made with or have the capacity to create his own destiny.

what is flesh is born of flesh, what is spirit is born of spirit.

This can mean flesh births flesh
But what came from above was Spirit and what was born into the world was His nature Spirit and flesh.

So to be born from above is to be born of man and spirit.

flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom..but what about flesh, blood, and Spirit.

"The Son of Man had the spirit of a man" is against Jesus's teaching in Jn. 3:6. You're not following the Scripture.

It is by the view you have.
But if Spirit is unbodily personal power
then the inclination of the thoughts rather by experirnce or imagination make up the will; what one is inclined to do in any given situation. So over all a man's will is an Aspect of his spirit, his power. That is why the heart us deceitful.

The simple fact of the matter is, the Word was God and was with God at the beginning, but was the Word incarnated at the beginning?

One might say: In the mind of God, His inclination.

Was Jesus the Son in the Eden with Adam? I don't think so. To me, only was the Son incarnated in Jn. 1:14 in 1st century Nazerath, precisely at God's timeing.

Then how do you explain the words in first Peter 3.. where Jesus being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit spoke,...in my interpretation, through Noah? OR slain b4 the foundation of the world....

His existence is one thing, His incarnation is another, the two shall not be conflated.

He was and is and always was..

Also, the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Holy Trinity, distinct from the Father and the Son. If you believe that the Father loves the Son and the Son obeys the Father, then the Holy Spirit is the loving bond between the Father and the Son.

This I believe is a tangle weaved when spirit is replaced for the term holyghost.
I believe that the father's spirit was in the son's inclining thoughts; spirit. And because He was there Jesus knew the power within Him; fellowship. That fellowship allowed Jesus to know His father would raise Him. OR the Spirit, that His spirit was united with, would raise Him. .......to be continued
But the main thing I would end in saying is that the its possible the Holy Spirit that was in Christ was activated in Christ through Christ's faith that raised Him. What this is called is to be determined.

 

[Corinth77777]

So I conclude that spirit of God is different from holy Spirit.

Therefore Jesus has his own Spirit
And I suggest His body was Spirit/Man
And who knows what else dna covers in the spirit realm

IF BREATH FROM THE FATHER ENTER INTO MAN TO MAKE Him alive..that Does not make man the Holy Spirit.

I

 

[Corinth77777]

Now moving on to the next Question

So What does Jesus mean when he says: I and the father are one? John 10:30
A. In purpose
B. The same spirit
C. The same thoughts
D. All the above with distinctions
E. That I am God
F. Unity
D. Essence

A basket ball team is one in unity for the same purpose. Let's go to the word itself.

Mankind was also said to be one..because they had the same language? Why?

" heis" in unison, in agreement, each other, single, have the same....etc

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Are thoughts spiritual? yes. Thoughts are not seen...The things seen are temporal the things unseen eternal.

can a thought be a spirit? Yes

Could be, but I don't think so, thinking is a neurological activity.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I think, in the fact that Jesus learned obedience, He had experiences and his experiences shaped His will. And His will became the will of God. As the statement be Holy because I am Holy.
Jesus was an example. He always obeyed the father and His father never left Him alone.

I believe in the free will of human being and the free will of God almighty. Since man is made in God's image as God's representative on earth, human beings are endowed with free will, each human being has a free will of their own, therefore Jesus has a will of his own, he said it in his prayer, "not my will, but yours."

And yet, man did not, they were created in the image of God. The likeness...which means men would be made with or have the capacity to create his own destiny.

Yes, own destiny, but not own spirit. Either the Holy Spirit or other spirits are received. I think one's identity is forged by the spirit they received, nobody can forge their own identity without any external input, just as nobody is born with a name, it's always given by a parent or other legal guardian.

It is by the view you have.
But if Spirit is unbodily personal power
then the inclination of the thoughts rather by experirnce or imagination make up the will; what one is inclined to do in any given situation. So over all a man's will is an Aspect of his spirit, his power. That is why the heart us deceitful.

A person's natural inclination is their instinct, the fight or flight response, pleasure seeking and pain avoiding, taking the path of least resistance while bypassing any hardship, prioritizing short term satisfaction over long term gain. A godly spirit is an inner voice that advises you against that natural inclination for your own good, and the will is the capacity to choose. It's like a muscle, you know, with its own built-in memory, the more you exercise, the stronger it is, and the less conflicted you are when you do choose. To be equally yoked with the holy spirit, you gotta move in the same direction with the holy spirit; if you give in to your natural inclination, you'd be grieving the spirit.

Then how do you explain the words in first Peter 3.. where Jesus being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit spoke,...in my interpretation, through Noah? OR slain b4 the foundation of the world....

"Slain before the foundation of the world" is the plan, it's like a written script before the movie is filmed, the point is that Jesus was not a fix for the Fall, God is beyond time and space, he had all the foreknowledge.

He was and is and always was..

I didn't suggest otherwise.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

This I believe is a tangle weaved when spirit is replaced for the term holyghost.
I believe that the father's spirit was in the son's inclining thoughts; spirit. And because He was there Jesus knew the power within Him; fellowship. That fellowship allowed Jesus to know His father would raise Him. OR the Spirit, that His spirit was united with, would raise Him. .......to be continued
But the main thing I would end in saying is that the its possible the Holy Spirit that was in Christ was activated in Christ through Christ's faith that raised Him. What this is called is to be determined.

"Holy ghost" is bad translation, "ghost" is the wandering souls of dead people with unfinished business on earth, that's the opposite of "spirit" which gives life. This is not a cultural interpretation, it's in the bible, when Thomas saw the resurrected Jesus, he thought he was seeing a ghost. Same as Peter when he saw Jesus walking on water.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

So I conclude that spirit of God is different from holy Spirit.

The only thing I can conclude is that the seven spirits of the Lamb are different from the Holy Spirit.

 

[RandyK]

Are Jesus the Son and God the Father One? As Jesus stated, "I and my Father are one?" If so, there can be only one spirit, the spirit of God. Can't be any spirit of his own. Jesus performed miracles by the power of the Holy Spirit, he was resurrected by the power of the Holy Spirit. God the Father had not always been a man, He appeared to the Israelites as a cloud and a fire, Jesus appeared as a man.

No, the Holy Spirit is God's one eternal Spirit, and the finite human spirit He created represents God properly as He has existed from eternity. Now that may seem like a contradiction, that the eternal Spirit can create a finite human spirit, produced in time. But it really isn't.

We're talking about the infinite God here. Can His word create a revelation of Himself in time? Well, He did. And that finite human spirit emerged from eternity into time seamlessly. You just have to accept it because it happened.

The eternal word of God is not contradicted by the things He creates in time, whether it is something not God or something that is God. The eternal word is one with the revelation that proceeds from it in time. And if that reelation produces a finite image of God that image *is, * in fact, God.

 

[Corinth77777]

I believe in the free will of human being and the free will of God almighty. Since man is made in God's image as God's representative on earth, human beings are endowed with free will, each human being has a free will of their own, therefore Jesus has a will of his own, he said it in his prayer, "not my will, but yours."

Yes, own destiny, but not own spirit. Either the Holy Spirit or other spirits are received. I think one's identity is forged by the spirit they received, nobody can forge their own identity without any external input, just as nobody is born with a name, it's always given by a parent or other legal guardian.

A person's natural inclination is their instinct, the fight or flight response, pleasure seeking and pain avoiding, taking the path of least resistance while bypassing any hardship, prioritizing short term satisfaction over long term gain. A godly spirit is an inner voice that advises you against that natural inclination for your own good, and the will is the capacity to choose. It's like a muscle, you know, with its own built-in memory, the more you exercise, the stronger it is, and the less conflicted you are when you do choose. To be equally yoked with the holy spirit, you gotta move in the same direction with the holy spirit; if you give in to your natural inclination, you'd be grieving the spirit.

"Slain before the foundation of the world" is the plan, it's like a written script before the movie is filmed, the point is that Jesus was not a fix for the Fall, God is beyond time and space, he had all the foreknowledge.

I didn't suggest otherwise.

Correct me if I am wrong
But your issue is Man is given the Holy Spirit and that Spirit is man's Spirit.

But I disagree because we are made in the likeness of God.

That would mean the capacity to create is an aspect of the will; that the nature of the will is spiritual. The will then is part of the likeness of God.

So no man's spirit is not the Holy Spirit it is Shaped by the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit ( or got to mediate, could be spirit of the Holy )is what brings man out of bondage. When man had only one end. death. Man can be renewed in the spirit of his mind/heart- what He thinks upon.