Did Jesus have a human Spirit or the Spirit of God sense He is man and God?

[Corinth77777]

"Holy ghost" is bad translation, "ghost" is the wandering souls of dead people with unfinished business on earth, that's the opposite of "spirit" which gives life. This is not a cultural interpretation, it's in the bible, when Thomas saw the resurrected Jesus, he thought he was seeing a ghost. Same as Peter when he saw Jesus walking on water.

Disagree..not about what Thomas saw but on how you relate the 2

 

[Corinth77777]

The only thing I can conclude is that the seven spirits of the Lamb are different from the Holy Spirit.

You can conclude this too..lol Because the Simple fact that you are not God the Father. You were made in his image.

 

[Randy]

So what? Christianity started with Jesus's ministry, He was the first who received the Holy Spirit in that way, everybody else followed his pattern.

He did ask John the Baptist for baptism, but he didn't ask for the Holy Spirit, it descended upon Him, becuase it had a mind of its own, as the wind blows. As long as you use the term "his own spirit", you're fallaciously begging the question.

Yes, the second and third of the holy trinity. Technically Jesus has seven spirits of God, but none of them is a separate "spirit of the son of man".

And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth. (Rev. 5:6)

Jesus was anointed by the one who sent Him. God our Father.

As I read two persons. I'm not inserting a 3rd person into the text you are.
To Him who sits on the throne and to the lamb.
One God the Father FROM whom all things come and one Lord Jesus Christ through whom all things come.

In regard to the OP. No matter what you believe in regard to the spirit in the Son of Man. As I read its clear to me its His spirit.
"Father into your hands I commit MY spirit"

The church's ruling is that the Son of Man had the spirit of a man. I disagree. The Son who was, His spirit, descended from above and was in that body.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

You can conclude this too..lol Because the Simple fact that you are not God the Father. You were made in his image.

I don't see what is the point to prove throughout this whole debate. Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit, why not just accept it and leave it.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

No, the Holy Spirit is God's one eternal Spirit, and the finite human spirit He created represents God properly as He has existed from eternity. Now that may seem like a contradiction, that the eternal Spirit can create a finite human spirit, produced in time. But it really isn't.

We're talking about the infinite God here. Can His word create a revelation of Himself in time? Well, He did. And that finite human spirit emerged from eternity into time seamlessly. You just have to accept it because it happened.

The eternal word of God is not contradicted by the things He creates in time, whether it is something not God or something that is God. The eternal word is one with the revelation that proceeds from it in time. And if that reelation produces a finite image of God that image *is, * in fact, God.

All spirits are infinite, there's finite flesh and finite material, but no "finite" spirit or "human" spirit, those are oxymorons. It is written: "we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers (archons) of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places." (Eph. 6:12) These are evil spirits from heavenly hosts, they can dwell in human bodies, and they can be removed, but none of them is a "human" spirit. Lord Jesus had a finite period of earthly ministry, he did not have a finite "human spirit", there's only the eternal Holy Spirit.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Jesus was anointed by the one who sent Him. God our Father.

As I read two persons. I'm not inserting a 3rd person into the text you are.
To Him who sits on the throne and to the lamb.
One God the Father FROM whom all things come and one Lord Jesus Christ through whom all things come.

Is the Holy Trinity legit or not? If yes, then the Holy Trinity is the third person.

In regard to the OP. No matter what you believe in regard to the spirit in the Son of Man. As I read its clear to me its His spirit.
"Father into your hands I commit MY spirit"

The church's ruling is that the Son of Man had the spirit of a man. I disagree. The Son who was, His spirit, descended from above and was in that body.

"His spirit" was received from the Father, not generated by himself, and he never claimed it as his.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Correct me if I am wrong
But your issue is Man is given the Holy Spirit and that Spirit is man's Spirit.

But I disagree because we are made in the likeness of God.

That would mean the capacity to create is an aspect of the will; that the nature of the will is spiritual. The will then is part of the likeness of God.

So no man's spirit is not the Holy Spirit it is Shaped by the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit ( or got to mediate, could be spirit of the Holy )is what brings man out of bondage. When man had only one end. death. Man can be renewed in the spirit of his mind/heart- what He thinks upon.

Yes, Holy Spirit is received, for the last time, there's no "man's spirit", man is of flesh made out of dust, what you think as "man's spirit" is worldly spirit. You're complicating a simple matter and getting yourself confused. "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." (Gen. 6:4) "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.“ (1 Cor. 15:50)

 

[RandyK]

All spirits are infinite, there's finite flesh and finite material, but no "finite" spirit or "human" spirit, those are oxymorons. It is written: "we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers (archons) of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places." (Eph. 6:12) These are evil spirits from heavenly hosts, they can dwell in human bodies, and they can be removed, but none of them is a "human" spirit. Lord Jesus had a finite period of earthly ministry, he did not have a finite "human spirit", there's only the eternal Holy Spirit.

We cannot discuss this any further because you rely upon a definition of "finite" that does not correspond with the Dictionary. To say a human spirit is "infinite" is at odds with the definition of "finite" and with the definition of 'human." And a human without a human spirit is not a "human" at all, or it's a dead human.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

We cannot discuss this any further because you rely upon a definition of "finite" that does not correspond with the Dictionary. To say a human spirit is "infinite" is at odds with the definition of "finite" and with the definition of 'human." And a human without a human spirit is not a "human" at all, or it's a dead human.

We cannot discuss this any further because you keep begging the question with the oxymoron "human spirit", even though it is abundantly clear that humans are made out of dust, humans are flesh, and flesh is only born of flesh. We can discuss either human or spirit, but there's no such thing as "human spirit" according to the biblical narrative.

 

[Corinth77777]

I don't see what is the point to prove throughout this whole debate. Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit, why not just accept it and leave it.

Yes this is true...
But maybe you can see this view point:

You were born of your mother
Liken to
Jesus born of the Holy Spirit

Are you your mother? Yes, you could be said to be because you have her physical dna. But you also have your own personality, your own will, and your own soul.

Is your soul your mother's?
Is all of your will your mother's will?
Is all of your personality your mother's?

Another words being born of your mother does not make you your mother in the sense that, your mother has her own body and you have yours.
Your mother has her own soul and will and you have yours.

So, just because you are of your mother doesn't mean you have the same body, will, spirit, heart, or emotions...

Hence, Jesus however it may be, is man and God;
born of woman by/or of the Holy Spirit.

Does that mean He is his mother
Does that mean He is the Holy Spirit

If so in what sense? One way I'd think is by his physical nature (dna) but does He have all the same personality, will, soul, body or emotions of the father?

No, otherwise He would not have said: not my will but your will be done.

Id like to think of God like someone said in another post.

H20 that depending on the atmosphere can be snow, ice, steam or mist...etc



Or made up from the same substance?

So then you can be of a substance without being all of that subtance

 

[Corinth77777]

Yes, Holy Spirit is received, for the last time, there's no "man's spirit", man is of flesh made out of dust, what you think as "man's spirit" is worldly spirit. You're complicating a simple matter and getting yourself confused. "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." (Gen. 6:4) "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.“ (1 Cor. 15:50)

"For the last time" I read it the first time.
But I'm not confusing anything we just don't agree.

King James Bible
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Flesh and blood can't..but flesh, blood and Spirit can.

The question is who was in the garden with man? The father or the son..
To strive with man might look like to enlighten man who still choose the flesh.

The Corinthians were carnal they still chose to give themselve to the flesh having been freed from sin.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Yes this is true...
But maybe you can see this view point:

You were born of your mother
Liken to
Jesus born of the Holy Spirit

Are you your mother? Yes, you could be said to be because you have her physical dna. But you also have your own personality, your own will, and your own soul.

Is your soul your mother's?
Is all of your will your mother's will?
Is all of your personality your mother's?

Another words being born of your mother does not make you your mother in the sense that, your mother has her own body and you have yours.
Your mother has her own soul and will and you have yours.

So, just because you are of your mother doesn't mean you have the same body, will, spirit, heart, or emotions...

Hence, Jesus however it may be, is man and God;
born of woman by/or of the Holy Spirit.

Does that mean He is his mother
Does that mean He is the Holy Spirit

If so in what sense? One way I'd think is by his physical nature (dna) but does He have all the same personality, will, soul, body or emotions of the father?

No, otherwise He would not have said: not my will but your will be done.

Id like to think of God like someone said in another post.

H20 that depending on the atmosphere can be snow, ice, steam or mist...etc



Or made up from the same substance?

So then you can be of a substance without being all of that subtance

Jesus is the second person of the Holy Trinity, distinct from the Holy Spirit, the third person. I've never stated or implied that they were the same. All I'm saying is that there's no separate "human spirit". You can say there's a spirit of humanISM, a form of atheism, but the "MY spirit" is the spirit of God, received from God and returned to God. As for Lord Jesus, the Word became flesh through virgin Mary, and his humanity - not deity - is the golden standard that separates the Holy Spirit from other evil spirits.

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. (1 Jn. 4:1-5)

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

"For the last time" I read it the first time.
But I'm not confusing anything we just don't agree.

King James Bible
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Flesh and blood can't..but flesh, blood and Spirit can.

If you're implying that you're of the KJV only crowd, knock yourself out, that's a can of worms I don't wanna mess around with.

And yes, spirit can, but only the Holy Spirit, not any other spirit.

 

[Randy]

Is the Holy Trinity legit or not? If yes, then the Holy Trinity is the third person.

"His spirit" was received from the Father, not generated by himself, and he never claimed it as his.

"God" singular "our" "Father"
Jesus our Lord.

According to Jesus the one He calls Father is the only "TRUE" God.
According to Jesus the source of the truth, message, He gave was not Him but the one He called Father.

I don't know why then you have difficulty accepting that the Spirit of truth, the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God our Father and is not a 3rd person but the person of the Father. That same Spirit sent in Jesus name conveys the presence of Christ in the believer. That is the Spirit conveys the will of the mind of Christ. Hence we have the Spirit of Christ in us and our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. Both the Father and Son make their home with us.

But God our Father is the source of all things given through His Son and the only unbegotten true God. Its His Spirit always.

The Spirit of God testifies from the mind of the Spirit.
They shall all be taught by God.
Those who listen and learn from the Father go to Jesus.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

"God" singular "our" "Father"
Jesus our Lord.

According to Jesus the one He calls Father is the only "TRUE" God.
According to Jesus the source of the truth, message, He gave was not Him but the one He called Father.

I don't know why then you have difficulty accepting that the Spirit of truth, the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God our Father and is not a 3rd person but the person of the Father. That same Spirit sent in Jesus name conveys the presence of Christ in the believer. That is the Spirit conveys the will of the mind of Christ. Hence we have the Spirit of Christ in us and our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. Both the Father and Son make their home with us.

But God our Father is the source of all things given through His Son and the only unbegotten true God. Its His Spirit always.

The Spirit of God testifies from the mind of the Spirit.
They shall all be taught by God.
Those who listen and learn from the Father go to Jesus.

The bottom line is that the Holy Spirit is a distinct person co-equal, co-eternal with the Son and the Father, it's like the neural system that connects the church body with Christ the head, and it empowers the church to exercise God's authority on Jesus's behalf. If you can figure out the relationships between Satan, the sea beast and the earth beast, you can figure out the the relationships between the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, because the former is a counterfeit of the latter, and Satan only counterfeits what's real and powerful.

 

[Randy]

All spirits are infinite, there's finite flesh and finite material, but no "finite" spirit or "human" spirit, those are oxymorons. It is written: "we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers (archons) of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places." (Eph. 6:12) These are evil spirits from heavenly hosts, they can dwell in human bodies, and they can be removed, but none of them is a "human" spirit. Lord Jesus had a finite period of earthly ministry, he did not have a finite "human spirit", there's only the eternal Holy Spirit.

Not all spirits are the same. But God our Father, His Spirit, alone gives birth to all spirits. Hence our heavenly Father. Jesus's Father and the Father of all angels. The spirit of angels that sinned and were cast out of heaven, the spirits of disobedience, are referred to as demons, evil spirits. The spirits of the angels who remained faithful to God their Father are still referred to as the angels of God.

If God can destroy spirit He doesn't appear to do so. It is referred to as death not life in regard to those who die and will never rise again. They perish. And the 2nd death, not life, when they are consigned by God to the lake of fire. Death and life as defined by scripture whether a spirit doesn't end or not.

 

[Randy]

Is the Holy Trinity legit or not? If yes, then the Holy Trinity is the third person.

"His spirit" was received from the Father, not generated by himself, and he never claimed it as his.

Where do you read anyone stated Jesus generated His own spirit?
This is what I read and its clear to me it was His spirit.
"Father into your hands I commit "MY" spirit" -Your problem is with His statement not mine.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Not all spirits are the same. But God our Father, His Spirit, alone gives birth to all spirits. Hence our heavenly Father. Jesus's Father and the Father of all angels. The spirit of angels that sinned and were cast out of heaven, the spirits of disobedience, are referred to as demons, evil spirits. The spirits of the angels who remained faithful to God their Father are still referred to as the angels of God.

If God can destroy spirit He doesn't appear to do so. It is referred to as death not life in regard to those who die and will never rise again. They perish. And the 2nd death, not life, when they are consigned by God to the lake of fire. Death and life as defined by scripture whether a spirit doesn't end or not.

Yeah, ultimately these evil spirits will end up in the Lake of Fire for eternity, I'm not arguing otherwise.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Where do you read anyone stated Jesus generated His own spirit?
This is what I read and its clear to me it was His spirit.
"Father into your hands I commit "MY" spirit" -Your problem is with His statement not mine.

My only problem is with the oxymoron "human spirit" and the association of it with Jesus. If we can agree that Jesus didn't generate his own spirit, then we can move on.

 

[Randy]

My only problem is with the oxymoron "human spirit" and the association of it with Jesus. If we can agree that Jesus didn't generate his own spirit, then we can move on.

Well I don't believe He had the Spirit of man. His spirit descended from above and was in that body. So we can move on.