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From the very first verses of the Bible, a profound mystery unfolds: the plurality within God. The Hebrew word for God, Elohim, used in Genesis 1 and throughout much of the Old Testament, is strikingly plural. This plurality is not merely a grammatical curiosity—it carries deep theological significance.

In the opening lines of Genesis, God is distinguished from the Spirit of God (Ruach Elohim) in Genesis 1:1–2. Then, in Genesis 2:4, the text introduces another layer of distinction, identifying the Creator as the Lord God (Yahweh Elohim). As the story of humanity begins, this Yahweh Elohim emerges as the One who interacts—often in physical form—with His creation (e.g., Genesis 3:8; 12:1). This divine figure, who walks with Adam in the garden and calls Abram out of Ur, is sometimes referred to as “the angel of the Lord” (Genesis 16:7–11; 22:11–15; Exodus 3:2, 4) and even, on occasion, as “a man” (Genesis 32:24–30). These early biblical references hint at a profound truth: there are three distinct Persons who are one in essence and equality—God, the Spirit of God, and the Representative of God to humanity. While the term representative is not explicitly used in these texts, it fittingly describes the role of this particular Person within the Godhead. This triune nature of God is what we now understand as the Trinity.

Given the complexity of the idea that God is one yet three Persons, various alternative explanations have emerged. Some have proposed that the three-ness of God implies three entirely separate gods—a polytheistic interpretation of the Trinity. Others suggest that the three-ness refers merely to three different expressions or modes of the same Person—a modalistic view. While these interpretations aim to simplify what is often seen as a challenging concept, they do not align with the biblical witness. Scripture consistently presents God as three distinct Persons who are fully one in essence. This unity and plurality are so vital to the identity of God that He declares it to the Israelites: “Hear, O Israel, Yahweh is our Elohim. Yahweh is one” (Deuteronomy 6:4).

The triunity of God is directly asserted in Isaiah 48. The One who called Israel speaks in Isaiah 48:12, identifying Himself as the same God who renamed Jacob as Israel after their mysterious encounter in Genesis 32:28. There, Jacob wrestled with a “man” who blessed him, and Jacob recognized this man as God (Genesis 32:30). This same One, speaking in Isaiah 48, refers to Himself as “the first and the last”—a title He had previously claimed in Isaiah 44:6, where He identified Himself as Yahweh, the King of Israel, the first and the last, and the only God. He also claims to be the Creator (Isaiah 48:13). Importantly, He adds in Isaiah 48:16, “now the Sovereign Lord has sent me, endowed with his Spirit.” Thus, God is sent by the Lord God (Adon Yahweh) and by His Spirit.

The New Testament reveals that all these declarations in Isaiah 48 are fulfilled in Jesus. He is the Yahweh who interacted with Abraham (John 8:56–59). He was born to be the King of Israel (Matthew 2:2). He is the first and the last (Revelation 1:17; 2:3; 22:13). He is the Creator (John 1:3). He was sent by His Father and empowered by the Spirit (Matthew 3:16–17; John 1:32–34; 5:23). In Isaiah 48:12 and 16, the preincarnate Jesus identifies Himself as God, yet distinguishes Himself from the One He calls His Father and from the Spirit—just as He does again in John 14:15–16 and in Matthew 28:19.

The triunity of God—one God in three Persons, the Trinity—is not just a theological concept but a central truth of the Bible, woven throughout the Scriptures. It is a cornerstone of Jesus’ own teaching and a revelation of the divine mystery that invites us into a deeper understanding of who God is.
 
One (Family) In a functioning family we honor our Father, and we do our Father's will. Jesus the firstborn over creation disperses the inheritance (Holy Spirit) John 14:16-20, Matthew 5:9, 1 John 4:14-17

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God"
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God. And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this we are like him.


Devil has children also (John 8:44) everything opposite of what is needed in a loving eternal(power-struggle and harming others for gain) Matthew 12:26
2 Timothy 3:1-4
Characteristics
Lovers of Themselves
Lovers of $
Boastful
Proud
Abusive
Disobedient to their parents (They just do what their spiritual father does)
Ungrateful
Unholy
Without Love
Unforgiving
Slanderous
Without self-control
Brutal
Not lovers of good
Treacherous
Rash
Conceited
Lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God
 
Greetings Hishandmaiden,
From the very first verses of the Bible, a profound mystery unfolds: the plurality within God. The Hebrew word for God, Elohim, used in Genesis 1 and throughout much of the Old Testament, is strikingly plural. This plurality is not merely a grammatical curiosity—it carries deep theological significance.
I suggest that the meaning of the word Elohim is wide-ranging, and that it represents the One God, Yahweh, God the Father who delights to share his plan, purpose and work with others, including Angels, Judges and especially our Lord Jesus Christ, the human Son of God.

Kind regards
Trevor
 
1. God is Spirit, John 4:24, not flesh and blood and in the OT either spoke directly to the prophets or by angels and also various objects like a burning bush or an Ass for example. Between the OT and NT God was silent towards Israel as when they returned to Israel from the Babylonian captivity they came back as merchants and not shepherds as they were disobedient to God going after other gods, Book of Malachi.

2. Jesus being the very Spirit of God before the foundation of the world as He and the Father are one was prophesied by the Prophets in the OT and spoken of by John the Baptist in the NT as John being the forerunner of Christ calling all to repent. As foretold Christ did come as the word of God made flesh (skin, bone, blood) to be that light that shines in darkness. He came as redeemer Savior through Gods grace as Christ is our faith that all can repent of their sins and have eternal life with the Father to all who will believe in Him as Lord and Savior. John 1:1-4; 1 Peter 1:13-21

3. After the sacrifice of Christ God raised Him from the grave and as He had to ascend back up to heaven the promise was that He would never leave us or forsake us as when He ascended He sent down the Holy Spirit (Spirit of God) to indwell all who will believe in Christ and His finished works on the cross. In the OT Gods Spirit fell on them for a time and purpose under heaven. Now we are indwelled with that power and authority through Gods grace that the Holy Spirit now works in us and through us teaching all things God wants us to learn. All three are Spiritual and Spiritual awaking's in us to know the will of God and walk in His statures. John 16:7-15

Ephesians 4: 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water (word) and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water (word), and the blood: and these three agree in one.

God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit as all three coequal Gods Spirit.

Jesus being the right arm of God. Isaiah 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Jesus is the word of God. John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Jesus is word, light and life that is God come in the flesh. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Gods Holy Spirit has come to indwell us and teach us. John 14: 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


Scriptures that reference Jesus being referred to as God:
John 1:1-14; John 10:30; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8, 9; 1 John 5:7, 8, 20; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 13:14; Isaiah 9:6; 44:6; Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:23; 28:19; John 14:16, 17; Genesis 1:1, 2 (cross reference John 1:1-14); 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 1:15-17; John 14:9-11; Philippians 2:5-8; Rev 1:8

Scriptures that refer the Holy Spirit as being God:
Psalms 139:7, 8; John 14:17; 16:13; Isaiah 40:13; 1 Corinthians 2:10, 11; Zechariah 4:6; Luke 1:35; Ephesians 4:4-6; Romans 5:5; 1 Corinthians 6:19; Ephesians 1:13; 1 Thessalonians 1:5; Titus 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21; Jude 1:20
 
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One (Family) In a functioning family we honor our Father, and we do our Father's will. Jesus the firstborn over creation disperses the inheritance (Holy Spirit) John 14:16-20, Matthew 5:9, 1 John 4:14-17

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God"
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God. And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this we are like him.


Devil has children also (John 8:44) everything opposite of what is needed in a loving eternal(power-struggle and harming others for gain) Matthew 12:26
2 Timothy 3:1-4
Characteristics
Lovers of Themselves
Lovers of $
Boastful
Proud
Abusive
Disobedient to their parents (They just do what their spiritual father does)
Ungrateful
Unholy
Without Love
Unforgiving
Slanderous
Without self-control
Brutal
Not lovers of good
Treacherous
Rash
Conceited
Lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God

Good word. Thank you.
 
Greetings Hishandmaiden,

I suggest that the meaning of the word Elohim is wide-ranging, and that it represents the One God, Yahweh, God the Father who delights to share his plan, purpose and work with others, including Angels, Judges and especially our Lord Jesus Christ, the human Son of God.

Kind regards
Trevor

Amen. God loves to share His plan with His people.

Jesus Christ is indeed the Son of God, who became flesh.

This indeed is a mystery and should be examined by many different scriptures.

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16
 
From the very first verses of the Bible, a profound mystery unfolds: the plurality within God. The Hebrew word for God, Elohim, used in Genesis 1 and throughout much of the Old Testament, is strikingly plural. This plurality is not merely a grammatical curiosity—it carries deep theological significance.

In the opening lines of Genesis, God is distinguished from the Spirit of God (Ruach Elohim) in Genesis 1:1–2. Then, in Genesis 2:4, the text introduces another layer of distinction, identifying the Creator as the Lord God (Yahweh Elohim). As the story of humanity begins, this Yahweh Elohim emerges as the One who interacts—often in physical form—with His creation (e.g., Genesis 3:8; 12:1). This divine figure, who walks with Adam in the garden and calls Abram out of Ur, is sometimes referred to as “the angel of the Lord” (Genesis 16:7–11; 22:11–15; Exodus 3:2, 4) and even, on occasion, as “a man” (Genesis 32:24–30). These early biblical references hint at a profound truth: there are three distinct Persons who are one in essence and equality—God, the Spirit of God, and the Representative of God to humanity. While the term representative is not explicitly used in these texts, it fittingly describes the role of this particular Person within the Godhead. This triune nature of God is what we now understand as the Trinity.

Given the complexity of the idea that God is one yet three Persons, various alternative explanations have emerged. Some have proposed that the three-ness of God implies three entirely separate gods—a polytheistic interpretation of the Trinity. Others suggest that the three-ness refers merely to three different expressions or modes of the same Person—a modalistic view. While these interpretations aim to simplify what is often seen as a challenging concept, they do not align with the biblical witness. Scripture consistently presents God as three distinct Persons who are fully one in essence. This unity and plurality are so vital to the identity of God that He declares it to the Israelites: “Hear, O Israel, Yahweh is our Elohim. Yahweh is one” (Deuteronomy 6:4).

The triunity of God is directly asserted in Isaiah 48. The One who called Israel speaks in Isaiah 48:12, identifying Himself as the same God who renamed Jacob as Israel after their mysterious encounter in Genesis 32:28. There, Jacob wrestled with a “man” who blessed him, and Jacob recognized this man as God (Genesis 32:30). This same One, speaking in Isaiah 48, refers to Himself as “the first and the last”—a title He had previously claimed in Isaiah 44:6, where He identified Himself as Yahweh, the King of Israel, the first and the last, and the only God. He also claims to be the Creator (Isaiah 48:13). Importantly, He adds in Isaiah 48:16, “now the Sovereign Lord has sent me, endowed with his Spirit.” Thus, God is sent by the Lord God (Adon Yahweh) and by His Spirit.

The New Testament reveals that all these declarations in Isaiah 48 are fulfilled in Jesus. He is the Yahweh who interacted with Abraham (John 8:56–59). He was born to be the King of Israel (Matthew 2:2). He is the first and the last (Revelation 1:17; 2:3; 22:13). He is the Creator (John 1:3). He was sent by His Father and empowered by the Spirit (Matthew 3:16–17; John 1:32–34; 5:23). In Isaiah 48:12 and 16, the preincarnate Jesus identifies Himself as God, yet distinguishes Himself from the One He calls His Father and from the Spirit—just as He does again in John 14:15–16 and in Matthew 28:19.

The triunity of God—one God in three Persons, the Trinity—is not just a theological concept but a central truth of the Bible, woven throughout the Scriptures. It is a cornerstone of Jesus’ own teaching and a revelation of the divine mystery that invites us into a deeper understanding of who God is.
Okay sooo… from the very start of the Bible, God’s kinda showing us He’s not just one-person-alone. The word for God is Elohim, which is actually plural 👀 and then you see Him and His Spirit right there in Genesis. Later, He’s walking around, talking to people, even shows up as “a man.” Kinda wild.


Basically, God is one—but also three: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Not three gods. Not one God in different costumes. Just… one God, three Persons. And it’s not just New Testament stuff—Old Testament totally hints at it too.


When Jesus shows up, He says He is God, but also talks to the Father and sends the Spirit. All three show up at His baptism. So yeah, the Trinity’s real. It’s like a divine group chat with perfect vibes. 🔥💅
 
Greetings JLB,
Jesus Christ is indeed the Son of God, who became flesh.
This indeed is a mystery and should be examined by many different scriptures.
I prefer to consider the simple and clear narrative, which is not a mystery. Jesus is the Name of the child born to Mary and he was the Son of God because God the Father was his father in the conception / begettal process.

Luke 1:34–35 (KJV): 34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Kind regards
Trevor
 
From the very first verses of the Bible, a profound mystery unfolds: the plurality within God. The Hebrew word for God, Elohim, used in Genesis 1 and throughout much of the Old Testament, is strikingly plural. This plurality is not merely a grammatical curiosity—it carries deep theological significance.

In the opening lines of Genesis, God is distinguished from the Spirit of God (Ruach Elohim) in Genesis 1:1–2. Then, in Genesis 2:4, the text introduces another layer of distinction, identifying the Creator as the Lord God (Yahweh Elohim). As the story of humanity begins, this Yahweh Elohim emerges as the One who interacts—often in physical form—with His creation (e.g., Genesis 3:8; 12:1). This divine figure, who walks with Adam in the garden and calls Abram out of Ur, is sometimes referred to as “the angel of the Lord” (Genesis 16:7–11; 22:11–15; Exodus 3:2, 4) and even, on occasion, as “a man” (Genesis 32:24–30). These early biblical references hint at a profound truth: there are three distinct Persons who are one in essence and equality—God, the Spirit of God, and the Representative of God to humanity. While the term representative is not explicitly used in these texts, it fittingly describes the role of this particular Person within the Godhead. This triune nature of God is what we now understand as the Trinity.

Given the complexity of the idea that God is one yet three Persons, various alternative explanations have emerged. Some have proposed that the three-ness of God implies three entirely separate gods—a polytheistic interpretation of the Trinity. Others suggest that the three-ness refers merely to three different expressions or modes of the same Person—a modalistic view. While these interpretations aim to simplify what is often seen as a challenging concept, they do not align with the biblical witness. Scripture consistently presents God as three distinct Persons who are fully one in essence. This unity and plurality are so vital to the identity of God that He declares it to the Israelites: “Hear, O Israel, Yahweh is our Elohim. Yahweh is one” (Deuteronomy 6:4).

The triunity of God is directly asserted in Isaiah 48. The One who called Israel speaks in Isaiah 48:12, identifying Himself as the same God who renamed Jacob as Israel after their mysterious encounter in Genesis 32:28. There, Jacob wrestled with a “man” who blessed him, and Jacob recognized this man as God (Genesis 32:30). This same One, speaking in Isaiah 48, refers to Himself as “the first and the last”—a title He had previously claimed in Isaiah 44:6, where He identified Himself as Yahweh, the King of Israel, the first and the last, and the only God. He also claims to be the Creator (Isaiah 48:13). Importantly, He adds in Isaiah 48:16, “now the Sovereign Lord has sent me, endowed with his Spirit.” Thus, God is sent by the Lord God (Adon Yahweh) and by His Spirit.

The New Testament reveals that all these declarations in Isaiah 48 are fulfilled in Jesus. He is the Yahweh who interacted with Abraham (John 8:56–59). He was born to be the King of Israel (Matthew 2:2). He is the first and the last (Revelation 1:17; 2:3; 22:13). He is the Creator (John 1:3). He was sent by His Father and empowered by the Spirit (Matthew 3:16–17; John 1:32–34; 5:23). In Isaiah 48:12 and 16, the preincarnate Jesus identifies Himself as God, yet distinguishes Himself from the One He calls His Father and from the Spirit—just as He does again in John 14:15–16 and in Matthew 28:19.

The triunity of God—one God in three Persons, the Trinity—is not just a theological concept but a central truth of the Bible, woven throughout the Scriptures. It is a cornerstone of Jesus’ own teaching and a revelation of the divine mystery that invites us into a deeper understanding of who God is.
However, we are not introduced to the Trinity from the 1st moment of the Bible. We are introduced to one God, the Creator who is indeed a plurality. "Let us make..." The indication is that God the Creator makes things via a plurality, so that while He remains aloof from His creation He also manifests Himself within creation, which is how we then see Him as a Trinity at a minimum.

We understand that He was a Trinity at a minimum from eternity in the sense of conceptualizing that as a fact. But we can only really experience it and understand it as such in time. We can only conceptualize about the infinite God in eternity. But we can only understand His plurality in a practical sense in our own finite realm in time.

Jesus taught us to pray, "Our Father who art in heaven." He did not teach his disciples to pray, "Our Father, Son, and Spirit who art in heaven." We pray to one God in heaven whose plurality is manifested in the Trinity and who originated in heaven as a Trinity at a minimum.

The fact we pray to one God as to one Person does not mean that He is not a Plurality of Persons. It is simply how we are to address Him as one God.

I know that this can get confusing. I've run into this with a number of people who indicate that "One Person cannot at the same time be Three Persons." And yet, we are to address God as Father, which is one Person. And in so doing we are addressing God, who is all three Persons.

The only way I've ever been able to explain this is to accept these realities as all true, and explainable in the sense that God is infinite and conveys the sense of His plurality of Persons in time. We understand they exist conceptually in eternity, but we can only understand them as realities within our realm in time.

In eternity we see God's status as outside of creation. And yet we can also conceive of His Word as being able to manifest Himself within creation in time.

And it is within creation in time that His Word appeared to us as a man. And it is also through His Word that we can perceive the movement of the Holy Spirit in various geographical locations, even though in concept we know that the Spirit of God is everywhere.

I'm sorry if this offends anybody. I've tried for years to be able to put these things in words without contradiction.
 
However, we are not introduced to the Trinity from the 1st moment of the Bible. We are introduced to one God, the Creator who is indeed a plurality. "Let us make..." The indication is that God the Creator makes things via a plurality, so that while He remains aloof from His creation He also manifests Himself within creation, which is how we then see Him as a Trinity at a minimum.

We understand that He was a Trinity at a minimum from eternity in the sense of conceptualizing that as a fact. But we can only really experience it and understand it as such in time. We can only conceptualize about the infinite God in eternity. But we can only understand His plurality in a practical sense in our own finite realm in time.

Jesus taught us to pray, "Our Father who art in heaven." He did not teach his disciples to pray, "Our Father, Son, and Spirit who art in heaven." We pray to one God in heaven whose plurality is manifested in the Trinity and who originated in heaven as a Trinity at a minimum.

The fact we pray to one God as to one Person does not mean that He is not a Plurality of Persons. It is simply how we are to address Him as one God.

I know that this can get confusing. I've run into this with a number of people who indicate that "One Person cannot at the same time be Three Persons." And yet, we are to address God as Father, which is one Person. And in so doing we are addressing God, who is all three Persons.

The only way I've ever been able to explain this is to accept these realities as all true, and explainable in the sense that God is infinite and conveys the sense of His plurality of Persons in time. We understand they exist conceptually in eternity, but we can only understand them as realities within our realm in time.

In eternity we see God's status as outside of creation. And yet we can also conceive of His Word as being able to manifest Himself within creation in time.

And it is within creation in time that His Word appeared to us as a man. And it is also through His Word that we can perceive the movement of the Holy Spirit in various geographical locations, even though in concept we know that the Spirit of God is everywhere.

I'm sorry if this offends anybody. I've tried for years to be able to put these things in words without contradiction.

Sorry, I meant to say not that God "originated in heaven" but that His revelation to us "originated from eternity into time." God existed prior to the heavens and the earth, and has come to be known by us as the God of heaven.

We only exist in time. We can only conceptualize Him as having existed before Creation, but we can only perceive the revelation of His Person in time.

Only things in time "originate." God is eternal and timeless, and therefore has no "origin." His Word is also eternal, but God's Word reveals things in time--about Himself and regarding the things He has made and is making. As such, truth is originated from eternity on our behalf so that we may perceive something eternal in time.
 
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Greetings JLB,

I prefer to consider the simple and clear narrative, which is not a mystery. Jesus is the Name of the child born to Mary and he was the Son of God because God the Father was his father in the conception / begettal process.

Luke 1:34–35 (KJV): 34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Kind regards
Trevor

What do you believe He was before He became flesh?
 
Okay sooo… from the very start of the Bible, God’s kinda showing us He’s not just one-person-alone. The word for God is Elohim, which is actually plural 👀 and then you see Him and His Spirit right there in Genesis. Later, He’s walking around, talking to people, even shows up as “a man.” Kinda wild.


Basically, God is one—but also three: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Not three gods. Not one God in different costumes. Just… one God, three Persons. And it’s not just New Testament stuff—Old Testament totally hints at it too.


When Jesus shows up, He says He is God, but also talks to the Father and sends the Spirit. All three show up at His baptism. So yeah, the Trinity’s real. It’s like a divine group chat with perfect vibes. 🔥💅

Thanks Lana for sharing that. :salute
 
Greetings again JLB,
What do you believe He was before He became flesh?
He did not exist. Some of this has been thoroughly discussed in another long running Trinitarian thread and I do not intend to repeat this.

Kind regards
Trevor
 
Greetings again JLB,

He did not exist. Some of this has been thoroughly discussed in another long running Trinitarian thread and I do not intend to repeat this.

Kind regards
Trevor

“Look!” he answered, “I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire; and they are not hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.”
Daniel 3:25


Who do you believe the fourth One in the fire was?
 
Greetings again JLB,
“Look!” he answered, “I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire; and they are not hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.” Daniel 3:25
Who do you believe the fourth One in the fire was?
He certainly did not consider that the fourth Being was God the Son. He actually distinguishes between their God and the fourth Being and he calls him the Angel of the One God, the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Nebuchadnezzar was not a Trinitarian.

Daniel 3:28–29 (KJV): 28 Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king’s word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God. 29 Therefore I make a decree, That every people, nation, and language, which speak any thing amiss against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, shall be cut in pieces, and their houses shall be made a dunghill: because there is no other God that can deliver after this sort.

Kind regards
Trevor
 
Greetings again JLB,

He certainly did not consider that the fourth Being was God the Son. He actually distinguishes between their God and the fourth Being and he calls him the Angel of the One God, the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Nebuchadnezzar was not a Trinitarian.

Daniel 3:28–29 (KJV): 28 Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king’s word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God. 29 Therefore I make a decree, That every people, nation, and language, which speak any thing amiss against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, shall be cut in pieces, and their houses shall be made a dunghill: because there is no other God that can deliver after this sort.

Kind regards
Trevor

Glad you brought up the Angel of the LORD.

Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.”
So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!”
And he said, “Here I am.”
Then He said, “Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God. Exodus 3:1-6


  • the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush.
  • And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God.

Do you believe the Angel of the LORD is God the Father?
 
Greetings again JLB,
  • the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush.
  • And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God.
Do you believe the Angel of the LORD is God the Father?
No, the Angel of the One God, Yahweh, God the Father is an Angel. The Hebrew word Elohim is applied to Yahweh Himself and also to the Angels and Judges.

Kind regards
Trevor
 
Greetings again JLB,

No, the Angel of the One God, Yahweh, God the Father is an Angel. The Hebrew word Elohim is applied to Yahweh Himself and also to the Angels and Judges.

Kind regards
Trevor

Ok. I agree the Angel of the LORD was not God the Father.

No one in the Old Testament ever saw God the Father.

No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:18


However, Moses saw God, He was seeing the Angel of the LORD.


  • And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God.

And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed… Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God. Exodus 3:1,6
 
Greetings again JLB,

No, the Angel of the One God, Yahweh, God the Father is an Angel. The Hebrew word Elohim is applied to Yahweh Himself and also to the Angels and Judges.

Kind regards
Trevor
So, when Moses claimed he was dealing with God at the burning bush, you insist he was self-deceived, and was instead really dealing with an angel? I'm sure you don't think this, but I didn't see you really address the question with any substance?
 
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