New Jerusalem

[Randy]

It may well be in your part of the Christian faith that believe that however, I was taught differently. Also, I have posted this on many forums and many do believe that we will reign in heaven with the Lord.

Now, I see the difficulty. It is the phrase `ON the earth.` Well, you may be pleased to know that the Greek word there is `epi` meaning `over or on.` Thus we need more scriptures to know which.

Can you give more scriptures, please?

If we remain in heaven then there is no resurrection from the dead. Who taught you different? What church? Your hiding something. You have spoke of life on other plants; marriage after the resurrection; saints remaining in heaven, realm walking.
What are your credentials in koine greek and translations?
The overwhelming translations of this verses is "on" the earth.

Revelation 5:10 Greek Text Analysis

Who are they attacking?
When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8;and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves

 

[for_his_glory]

It may well be in your part of the Christian faith that believe that however, I was taught differently. Also, I have posted this on many forums and many do believe that we will reign in heaven with the Lord.

Now, I see the difficulty. It is the phrase `ON the earth.` Well, you may be pleased to know that the Greek word there is `epi` meaning `over or on.` Thus we need more scriptures to know which.

Can you give more scriptures, please?

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

How do you understand this verse?

 

[Marilyn C]

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

How do you understand this verse?

Jesus was saying that when He was on earth. We know from God`s word that when He ascended He took with Him the OT saints. (Eph. 4: 8 Matt. 27: 52 & 53)

 

[Marilyn C]

If we remain in heaven then there is no resurrection from the dead. Who taught you different? What church? Your hiding something. You have spoke of life on other plants; marriage after the resurrection; saints remaining in heaven, realm walking.
What are your credentials in koine greek and translations?
The overwhelming translations of this verses is "on" the earth.

Revelation 5:10 Greek Text Analysis

Who are they attacking?
When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8;and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves

Hi Randy,
That`s a fine kettle of fish, as they say.
1. I never spoke of life on other planets.
2. I never said there was marriage in heaven.
3. I never spoke of realm walking.

Now you may have translations of men but it is God`s word that holds true. So, where are the scriptureS (Plural) for US the Body of Christ ruling ON earth?

We will rule and reign with Christ in the third heaven. (Rev. 3: 21 4: 2 - 6)

When we the Body of Christ are caught away, (1 Thess. 4: 13 - 17) we never come back to earth. Thus, those who are hold up in Jerusalem are earthly people at the end of the millennium.

 

[Randy]

Heaven is NOT like earth. Our new glorified bodies can go through realms, like the Lord did. We will not be `entertaining` others. We will be learning from the Lord how to `rule and reign` with Christ over all God`s great kingdom. We will be going here and there in service for Him.

Look at this great universe and when it is made new God will populate it and rule over many `earths.` Remember God said to the earthly people `multiply and fill the earth.` Eventually the earth people will need more room.

This is what you did state,

 

[Randy]

He states City -the new Jerusalem.
I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.

 

[for_his_glory]

Jesus was saying that when He was on earth. We know from God`s word that when He ascended He took with Him the OT saints. (Eph. 4: 8 Matt. 27: 52 & 53)

Where does it say in those scriptures that Jesus took anyone with Him when He ascended up to heaven to sit at the right hand of God? John 3:13 no means no as what you are being taught comes against scripture adding to and taking away from that which has already been written and God gave strict warning about adding to and taking away from the word of God, Rev 22:18-19. Jesus led captivity captive means Jesus victory over sin and death as we who are Christ own by faith have been set free from sin in which we were held captive to sin.

Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

 

[for_his_glory]

Jesus was saying that when He was on earth. We know from God`s word that when He ascended He took with Him the OT saints. (Eph. 4: 8 Matt. 27: 52 & 53)

This is nothing more than false teachings that come against Matthew 24:29-31; John 3:13 and 1Thessalonians 4:13-18. You refuse to tell us what Church you belong to or who teaches you as you give no source, but whichever one it is they are teaching false doctrines that come against the word of God.

 

[Marilyn C]

This is what you did state,

Yes, in the NH & NE.

 

[Marilyn C]

He states City -the new Jerusalem.
I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.

Yes, every realm of God`s great kingdom we will have authority (name) over.

 

[Marilyn C]

Where does it say in those scriptures that Jesus took anyone with Him when He ascended up to heaven to sit at the right hand of God? John 3:13 no means no as what you are being taught comes against scripture adding to and taking away from that which has already been written and God gave strict warning about adding to and taking away from the word of God, Rev 22:18-19. Jesus led captivity captive means Jesus victory over sin and death as we who are Christ own by faith have been set free from sin in which we were held captive to sin.

Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

`But you have come to Munt Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the General Assembly and church of the first-born who are registered in heaven, to God the judge of all, TO THE SPIRITS OF JUST MEN MADE PERFECT.` (Heb. 12: 22 & 23)

The `just/righteous` men (& women) are the Old Testament Saints who looked for a city. (Heb. 11: 16) They are in heaven.

 

[Randy]

Yes, every realm of God`s great kingdom we will have authority (name) over.

I don't know what realms you are talking about.
I did read this and these nations exist on this earth.
To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— 27that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery just as I have received authority from my Father.

 

[Randy]

Yes, every realm of God`s great kingdom we will have authority (name) over.

What states that in the NT? The Kingdom's of the whole world become the Kingdom of God and His Christ. I know nothing of other realms.

Where did you read about other realms? Can you list any and the scriptural source? Our Spirits are clothed with imperishable bodies is in regard to life with no end not abilities associated with Deity. We are not Deity and never will be.
Again there is no such teaching of those resurrected on the last day traveling through other realms or mention of other realms.
But you wrote, " Our new glorified bodies can go through realms"

 

[Randy]

Yes, in the NH & NE.

What is NH and NE?

 

[for_his_glory]

`But you have come to Munt Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the General Assembly and church of the first-born who are registered in heaven, to God the judge of all, TO THE SPIRITS OF JUST MEN MADE PERFECT.` (Heb. 12: 22 & 23)

The `just/righteous` men (& women) are the Old Testament Saints who looked for a city. (Heb. 11: 16) They are in heaven.

All I can say and have been saying, plus a few others, is that you are being fed false doctrine reading into scripture words that are not there as you have shown by posting Hebrews 12:22-23.

Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

We all desire a better heavenly country, but that does not happen until Christ returns and the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven.

One more time
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Why do you refute this verse?

 

[Randy]

`But you have come to Munt Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the General Assembly and church of the first-born who are registered in heaven, to God the judge of all, TO THE SPIRITS OF JUST MEN MADE PERFECT.` (Heb. 12: 22 & 23)

The `just/righteous` men (& women) are the Old Testament Saints who looked for a city. (Heb. 11: 16) They are in heaven.

The promise spoken of is to Abraham and his seed. Is there another promise you are speaking of as Abraham was shown land on this earth that He and his seed would inherit. Abraham is not in heaven and will rise again on the last day as Jesus sends His angels to gather His elect from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens. The resurrection of us all.

Hi Randy,
That`s a fine kettle of fish, as they say.
1. I never spoke of life on other planets.
2. I never said there was marriage in heaven.
3. I never spoke of realm walking.

Now you may have translations of men but it is God`s word that holds true. So, where are the scriptureS (Plural) for US the Body of Christ ruling ON earth?

We will rule and reign with Christ in the third heaven. (Rev. 3: 21 4: 2 - 6)

When we the Body of Christ are caught away, (1 Thess. 4: 13 - 17) we never come back to earth. Thus, those who are hold up in Jerusalem are earthly people at the end of the millennium.

The NT was written in Koine Greek not english. The overwhelming translation by teams of translation scholars is on the earth or upon the earth. Your stating Gods word holds true is out of context. As the translated text is considered the meaning of the original greek into english. Scripture

Revelation 5:10 - The Lamb is Worthy

You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign upon the earth.

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The tomb was empty. Jesus showed Himself alive on this earth. He is the beginning of the resurrection and the firstborn from the dead. The resurrection is to this earth. If the saints remain in heaven, then there is no resurrection. Abraham was shown the land on this earth that He and his seed would inherit. Jesus is that seed. If one has the Spirit of Christ in them, they belong to Jesus and are one with Him and are also that seed and partakers of the promise God made to Abraham.

 

[Marilyn C]

I don't know what realms you are talking about.
I did read this and these nations exist on this earth.
To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— 27that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery just as I have received authority from my Father.

`For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.` (Col. 1: 16)

 

[Marilyn C]

What states that in the NT? The Kingdom's of the whole world become the Kingdom of God and His Christ. I know nothing of other realms.

Where did you read about other realms? Can you list any and the scriptural source? Our Spirits are clothed with imperishable bodies is in regard to life with no end not abilities associated with Deity. We are not Deity and never will be.
Again there is no such teaching of those resurrected on the last day traveling through other realms or mention of other realms.
But you wrote, " Our new glorified bodies can go through realms"

`Heaven` is also plural. here are the different realms or areas of heaven.

1. The Atmospheric heaven. (James 5: 18)
2. The Celestial heaven. (Gen. 1: 16 & 17)
3. The third heaven. (2 Cor. 12: 2)

In our glorified bodies we will be like the Lord, ((1 John 3: 2) and will go through the visible and invisible realms. Jesus did. Remember (John 20: 26 Acts 1: 9)

 

[Marilyn C]

What is NH and NE?

NH and NE is New Heavens and New Earth.

 

[Marilyn C]

All I can say and have been saying, plus a few others, is that you are being fed false doctrine reading into scripture words that are not there as you have shown by posting Hebrews 12:22-23.

Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

We all desire a better heavenly country, but that does not happen until Christ returns and the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven.

One more time
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Why do you refute this verse?

So how did the church and the just men get into the General Assembly in heaven? (Heb. 12: 22 & 23)