Christ said the Temple would remain desolate until His Second Coming

[JLB]

Daniel 9:24 was completely fulfilled by Christ, that is why the 70 weeks ended when the New Covenant began, ushering in eternal righteousness:

Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times.

So far through verse 25 we see 69 weeks are fulfilled.
The 69th week ended with the event called “Messiah the Prince”.

Do you understand what this event refers to?


Now we come to verse 26, and the 70th week has not been mentioned.

Verse 26 contains two key time stamps that are recognizable to us today.

Messiah cut off - 33 AD

The city and temple destroyed - 70 AD

“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
Daniel 9:25-26


So far we have come to the year 70 AD and we still don’t see the 70th week mentioned.


Jesus said we need to understand some things that the prophet Daniel spoke of.


Understanding this is important.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times.

So far through verse 25 we see 69 weeks are fulfilled.
The 69th week ended with the event called “Messiah the Prince”.

Do you understand what this event refers to?


Now we come to verse 26, and the 70th week has not been mentioned.

Verse 26 contains two key time stamps that are recognizable to us today.

Messiah cut off - 33 AD

The city and temple destroyed - 70 AD

“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
Daniel 9:25-26


So far we have come to the year 70 AD and we still don’t see the 70th week mentioned.


Jesus said we need to understand some things that the prophet Daniel spoke of.


Understanding this is important.

Your interpretation contradicts the clear statement Messiah dies after 7+62 weeks.

The seventieth week.

This fits what we know about Christ. He dies in the 70th week, but not because of His sins, and He rises from the dead bringing in the New Covenant, finishing transgression as a barrier separating man from God, making reconciliation possible for everyone, sealing up the vision and prophecy in the OT SCRIPTURES, so God's house can be a house of prayer for ALL nations, not the Jews only.

 

[JLB]

Your interpretation contradicts the clear statement Messiah dies after 7+62 weeks.

Your math is impossible.

Please be specific.

I don’t really have any math. I just used the scripture and the specific phrases from the scriptures themselves.

I also asked a question.

Can you please engage in meaningful dialogue?


Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times.

So far through verse 25 we see 69 weeks are fulfilled.
The 69th week ended with the event called “Messiah the Prince”.

Do you understand what this event refers to?


Now we come to verse 26, and the 70th week has not been mentioned.

Verse 26 contains two key time stamps that are recognizable to us today.

Messiah cut off - 33 AD

The city and temple destroyed - 70 AD

“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
Daniel 9:25-26


So far we have come to the year 70 AD and we still don’t see the 70th week mentioned.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Please be specific.

I don’t really have any math. I just used the scripture and the specific phrases from the scriptures themselves.

I also asked a question.

Can you please engage in meaningful dialogue?


Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times.

So far through verse 25 we see 69 weeks are fulfilled.
The 69th week ended with the event called “Messiah the Prince”.

Do you understand what this event refers to?


Now we come to verse 26, and the 70th week has not been mentioned.

Verse 26 contains two key time stamps that are recognizable to us today.

Messiah cut off - 33 AD

The city and temple destroyed - 70 AD

“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
Daniel 9:25-26


So far we have come to the year 70 AD and we still don’t see the 70th week mentioned.

First you discuss my point:

The text says there will be 7+62 weeks. That is 69 weeks:

26 "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, (Dan. 9:26 NKJ)

What is AFTER 69? You tell me.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times.

So far through verse 25 we see 69 weeks are fulfilled.
The 69th week ended with the event called “Messiah the Prince”.

Do you understand what this event refers to?


Now we come to verse 26, and the 70th week has not been mentioned.

Verse 26 contains two key time stamps that are recognizable to us today.

Messiah cut off - 33 AD

The city and temple destroyed - 70 AD

“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
Daniel 9:25-26


So far we have come to the year 70 AD and we still don’t see the 70th week mentioned.


Jesus said we need to understand some things that the prophet Daniel spoke of.


Understanding this is important.

Incorrect reading, all Seventy weeks are fulfilled:

24 "Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city, To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy.
25 "Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times.
26 "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; (Dan. 9:24-26 NKJ)

That's where verse 26 should have ended because after Christ was crucified nothing happens until 70 AD, well after the 70 weeks have ended.

Chapter and verse references aren't the Word of God, men invented them with the printing press a few hundred years ago. They got it wrong in verse 26.

What follows after Christ's crucifixion AFTER the 69th week, after the 70th week, isn't discussed in Daniel 9:24.

What follows is discussed in Daniel 9:26B onward:

And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."
(Dan. 9:26-10:1 NKJ)

The temple is destroyed in 70 AD. Roman Emperor Hadrian renames Israel "Palestine" destroying the nation after the followed the false Messiah Simon Bar Kokhba, selling them as slaves throughout the earth in AD 131 or so:

The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined. (Dan. 9:26 NKJ)

20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.
21 "Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.
22 "For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 "But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people.
24 "And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
(Lk. 21:20-24 NKJ)

Then Daniel discusses another week of years that appears thousands of years later, in the end time:

27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate." (Dan. 9:27 NKJ)

25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;
26 "men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven will be shaken.
27 "Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. (Lk. 21:25-27 NKJ)

Christ desolates the Antichrist Desolator.

Because the Antichrist rules over Daniel's 4th kingdom, with 10 horns or Roman empire, Daniel says its the "people" of the Antichrist prince who is to come, who destroys city and Temple, which they did in 70 AD. And Hadrian did the "desolations" when he forbade Jews to live in Israel selling captive Jews as slaves to the nations.

 

[Elijah7777]

And then the lawless one will be revealed

How smug we can feel until we find out the lawless are Christians.

Matthew 7:23, during the Sermon on the Mount. He says: “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’”

 

[Hidden In Him]

I think this is a reference to a volcano. I could go into the physics of how the smoke from an active volcano would filter out the light from the Sun and the Moon.

Might be caused by something similar, Elijah. I doubt one volcano would do it, but a massive increase of seismic upheavals might, and I wrote about this some in one of my studies. That's precisely what appears to be coming some day.

Thread 'Charismatic Bible Studies - 2 Peter 2:4-9'

May 17, 2025

Everlasting Fire: God's Punishment For Seducing The Righteous Into Sin



Much like demonic spirits do, the Gnostics seduced the faithful into sin, causing them to "burn" with lust, especially after working witchcraft on the spiritually unprotected. Those with spouses, daughters or sons who were seduced away from the faith likewise sometimes "burned" with anger towards them. But the punishment from God was that these seducers would literally burn in everlasting flames, since that is what they took joy in. They were proving by their earthly lives what they would be in...

• Hidden In Him
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• Forum: Pentecostalism

 

[Hidden In Him]

So we must think of another "literal" temple, something the NT calls the "Temple of God", to be the place where Paul says the abomination will appear.

You keep making this jump, Alfred, when it is not necessary. Just because the first century temple was not the one through which the promises were fulfilled doesn't mean another physical temple cannot be built. The Jews are back in their homeland now as of developments that took place 80 years ago. And do you know what their greatest aspiration is? To rebuild the temple.

Pedantic interpretation that extracts the context from the greater whole, the chronology Christ established. All these events do not happen before 70 AD.

I answered every one to show you how all of it is literal, Alfred. I'm fully aware that most of it did not take place in New Testament times, but that does not mean they never will.

Again, if your interpretation holds water and is consistent (as you used the word), do what I did. List for me what is to be taken literally and what is to be taken non-literally.

 

[Elijah7777]

I doubt one volcano would do it,

“I doubt a single volcano would be enough. > The Bible may be referring to one specific volcano, but people often assume it speaks of a global event. I believe it will be more localized. > > Florida, for example, is more prone to flooding, while California is more prone to fires. Yet Scripture tells us that the earth will be cleansed by both water and fire. > > We see this pattern beginning with Noah. From our current perspective, his flood appears to have been local—but symbolically, it represents a global judgment, likely rooted in the world as it existed during the time of Pangaea.” Also the biodiverse eco system that Noah saved became the entire world. Science has put a lot of study into how civilization spread from the middle east to europe and the rest of the world.

 

[Elijah7777]

The Church is the Temple of God in the New Covenant, Paul transferred the imagery of the priesthood

Does the Church, do we really take our Priesthood serious? Clearly we need to be holy and sanctified if we want to be used by God.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Does the Church, do we really take our Priesthood serious? Clearly we need to be holy and sanctified if we want to be used by God.

A different subject entirely.

 

[Alfred Persson]

You keep making this jump, Alfred, when it is not necessary. Just because the first century temple was not the one through which the promises were fulfilled doesn't mean another physical temple cannot be built. The Jews are back in their homeland now as of developments that took place 80 years ago. And do you know what their greatest aspiration is? To rebuild the temple.


I answered every one to show you how all of it is literal, Alfred. I'm fully aware that most of it did not take place in New Testament times, but that does not mean they never will.

Again, if your interpretation holds water and is consistent (as you used the word), do what I did. List for me what is to be taken literally and what is to be taken non-literally.

Never ruled out the Jews might build a temple, I ONLY rule out Paul would call "a Christ rejecting Temple lacking God's presence" the "Temple (Naos) of God."

3485 ναός naos {nah-os'}
Meaning: 1) used of the temple at Jerusalem, but only of the sacred edifice (or sanctuary) itself, consisting of the Holy place and the Holy of Holies.

Its clear from his usage of Naos, ONLY the Body of Christ is now the Temple (Naos) of God.

Therefore, in 2 Thessalonians when Paul speaks of "the Desolator who causes Desolation Daniel 12:11 (Gesenius [See also Daniel 8:13; 9:27]) sitting "in the Temple of God, Paul is alluding to Christ's words about "the one standing" (ἑστὼς, masculine participle, Mark 13:14 cf. ASV "standing where he ought not"; ERV "standing where he ought not"; NLT "standing where he should not be" )

It can only be the Church. That is how he literally uses the phrase "Naos of God".

You make big claims to be a literal interpreter, when in fact all words are symbols of something that exists. Nothing is truly "literal". The better term is "natural", that's understanding words as literally as possible in conformity with the context. Which I do, and you do not.

 

[Alfred Persson]

“I doubt a single volcano would be enough. > The Bible may be referring to one specific volcano, but people often assume it speaks of a global event. I believe it will be more localized. > > Florida, for example, is more prone to flooding, while California is more prone to fires. Yet Scripture tells us that the earth will be cleansed by both water and fire. > > We see this pattern beginning with Noah. From our current perspective, his flood appears to have been local—but symbolically, it represents a global judgment, likely rooted in the world as it existed during the time of Pangaea.” Also the biodiverse eco system that Noah saved became the entire world. Science has put a lot of study into how civilization spread from the middle east to europe and the rest of the world.

Just butting in, but I suppose you refer to 2 Peter:

looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? (2 Pet. 3:12 NKJ)

No volcano or collection of them can burn up the heavens and cause elements (its atomic structure) to "be loosed" ("melt).

But a single thought from Creator God, Jesus Christ in particular who "holds everything together" (Col. 1:17), can cause everything to vanish in fire.

God took six days to create and rested on the 7th day, to establish the 6 day work week and 1 sabbath day, not because He needed the time. With a thought in an instant, He can create even more than now exists, and will in the New Heavens and New earth. I also suspect God wanted to create as slow as He could, to savor every second as fully as possible for an infinite Being.

 

[Hidden In Him]

You make big claims to be a literal interpreter, when in fact all words are symbols of something that exists.

No volcano or collection of them can burn up the heavens and cause elements (its atomic structure) to "be loosed" ("melt).

Alfred, you are often doing this, which is why I refer to some of your posts as junk posts. I have not made any "big claims of being a literal interpreter," I interpret things passage by passage. And I read nowhere in Elijah's post that he was saying a volcano was going to burn up the elements. That is misrepresenting him. He was clearly talking about it causing the appearance of the sun and moon to be effected. As he stated, "I could go into the physics of how the smoke from an active volcano would filter out the light from the Sun and the Moon."

I asked you to give an exegesis of the text twice now, and you are instead dodging me, and also putting words in other people's mouths that they have not said. I wanted to discuss this with you, but that's not honest debate.

 

[Elijah7777]

Just butting in, but I suppose you refer to 2 Peter:

This is difficult to explain but I will do the best I can .

From the very beginning, God has used the elements—water and fire—not just to judge, but to refine, restore, and prepare creation for something new.

1.​

Long ago, the world was cleansed with water. > “The world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.” — 2 Peter 3:6

God used the waters of the flood not only to judge sin but to give the world a fresh start—cleansing the earth and preserving Noah, a man of faith, and his family as a remnant.

2.​

The Bible tells of a final, fiery judgment to come:> “...the elements will melt in the heat.” — 2 Peter 3:10–12

Just as water once washed away the corruption of the earth, fire will one day purge it completely, refining creation in preparation for “a new heaven and a new earth.”

3.​

But in between these great events, every believer walks through smaller floods and fires—tests, trials, and storms that feel world-ending in their own right.

• In Florida, believers might endure literal floods.
• In California, they may walk through actual fire.
• And across the globe, all endure spiritual, emotional, and relational tribulation unique to their lives.

These aren’t the Flood or the Fire, but they are part of the same redemptive arc—smaller trials that prepare us, purify our faith, and teach us trust in the One who walks through them with us (Isaiah 43:2).

 

[Elijah7777]

Might be caused by something similar, Elijah. I doubt one volcano would do it, but a massive increase of seismic upheavals might, and I wrote about this some in one of my studies. That's precisely what appears to be coming some day.

I don’t know how seismic upheavals could be any more massive than what we’ve already witnessed. Perhaps you’re thinking of what happened to Sony in Japan—a great company, nearly undone in a moment. In the chaos, factory workers were reportedly building makeshift rafts to rescue their colleagues from drowning. A scene that turned a modern workplace into a fight for survival. Seismic upheavals on a continental scale, tied to the ancient supercontinent Pangaea, are among the most dramatic Earth-shaping events in geological history.

 

[JLB]

How smug we can feel until we find out the lawless are Christians.

This scripture says the lawless one, the man of sin, the son of perdition.

This is a single person. The antichrist.

 

[JLB]

Incorrect reading, all Seventy weeks are fulfilled:

24 "Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city, To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy.
25 "Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times.
26 "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; (Dan. 9:24-26 NKJ)

That's where verse 26 should have ended because after Christ was crucified nothing happens until 70 AD, well after the 70 weeks have ended.

Chapter and verse references aren't the Word of God, men invented them with the printing press a few hundred years ago. They got it wrong in verse 26.

What follows after Christ's crucifixion AFTER the 69th week, after the 70th week, isn't discussed in Daniel 9:24.

What follows is discussed in Daniel 9:26B onward:

And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."
(Dan. 9:26-10:1 NKJ)

The temple is destroyed in 70 AD. Roman Emperor Hadrian renames Israel "Palestine" destroying the nation after the followed the false Messiah Simon Bar Kokhba, selling them as slaves throughout the earth in AD 131 or so:

The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined. (Dan. 9:26 NKJ)

20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.
21 "Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.
22 "For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 "But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people.
24 "And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
(Lk. 21:20-24 NKJ)

Then Daniel discusses another week of years that appears thousands of years later, in the end time:

27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate." (Dan. 9:27 NKJ)

25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;
26 "men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven will be shaken.
27 "Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. (Lk. 21:25-27 NKJ)

Christ desolates the Antichrist Desolator.

Because the Antichrist rules over Daniel's 4th kingdom, with 10 horns or Roman empire, Daniel says its the "people" of the Antichrist prince who is to come, who destroys city and Temple, which they did in 70 AD. And Hadrian did the "desolations" when he forbade Jews to live in Israel selling captive Jews as slaves to the nations.

First you discuss my point:

The text says there will be 7+62 weeks. That is 69 weeks:

26 "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, (Dan. 9:26 NKJ)

What is AFTER 69? You tell me.

I have told you plainly what comes after the 69th week.

The scripture is crystal clear.

But you keep ignoring what the scripture plainly says takes place after the 69th week.



“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

What comes after the Messiah being cut off is the destruction of the city and temple in 70 AD.

We have now come to the year 70AD and the 70th week has not been mentioned or fulfilled.

 

[JLB]

The temple is destroyed in 70 AD.

Agreed.

The temple is destroyed in 70AD, after Messiah is cut off.

No mention yet of the 70th week.

“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
Daniel 9:26

 

[Hidden In Him]

Perhaps you’re thinking of what happened to Sony in Japan—a great company, nearly undone in a moment. In the chaos, factory workers were reportedly building makeshift rafts to rescue their colleagues from drowning. A scene that turned a modern workplace into a fight for survival.

Ok, what now? LoL.