Did the Son have a beginning?

[Bruce.Leiter]

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I suspect that those of us who make the cut for Heaven are whisked off to a sort of
Bible concentration camp for indoctrination where all our mistakes are corrected
and all the blanks filled in so that when we're released into general population there
will be no debating like what goes on now down here in the world.
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On what do you base your "suspicion" in the Bible, Beetow?

 

[notso]

Short answer: No he did not have a beginning, the verses you pointed out back that up succinctly.

The question would be, what Scripture suggests otherwise?

The word 'firstborn' implies a beginning as well as being created.

 

[Free]

The word 'firstborn' implies a beginning as well as being created.

What is your evidence for this?

 

[notso]

What is your evidence for this?

The definition of the word itself.

 

[Free]

The definition of the word itself.

Which is what? And how is it used throughout the Bible?

 

[notso]

Which is what? And how is it used throughout the Bible?

Decide for yourself...

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

"firstborn" primary search results are listed below along with dictionary aides, FAQs, and Lexiconc.

www.blueletterbible.org

 

[Free]

Decide for yourself...

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

"firstborn" primary search results are listed below along with dictionary aides, FAQs, and Lexiconc.

www.blueletterbible.org

No, that isn't how this works. You made a truth claim; the onus is on you to prove it. I've asked some questions and you need to answer them.

 

[Mark51]

Brothers and sisters in Christ, today I want to pose a question that has pondered theologians for centuries: Did the Son of God, Jesus Christ our Lord, have a beginning? We all know from Scripture that Jesus walked among us, that He is the Word made flesh (John 1:14). But when we delve into the mystery of the God, we grapple with passages that hint at Jesus' pre-incarnate existence (Colossians 1:15-17). What do you all make of this?

Colossians 1:15, "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature,"
Colossians 1:16, "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:"
Colossians 1:17, "And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

Perhaps some of you have come across teachings that explore Jesus' eternal nature. Maybe others have questions about how this aligns with God the Father being the one and only God (Deuteronomy 6:4).

I believe this is a topic approached best with humility and a teachable spirit. Let's open the floor to respectful discussion, using scripture as our guide, and ultimately glorifying God through our pursuit of understanding His holy nature.

Here are a few more supporting scriptures: Genesis1:26; Proverbs 8:22-31; Micah 5:2; John 17:5; Revelation 3:14.

 

[Beetow]

On what do you base your "suspicion" in the Bible

The theocratic kingdom is reputed to be a place of peace.

● Isa 11:9 . .They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth
shall be full of the knowledge of Yahweh, as the waters cover the sea.

In addition; God prefers to associate with peaceable folks.

● Matt 5:9 . . Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.
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[Beetow]

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Firstborn isn't restricted to primogeniture; it's also a status pertaining to superior
positions.

For example Israel is God's firstborn among the nations. (Ex 4:22) and David is
God's firstborn among the world's heads of State. (Ps 89:20-27)
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