The Jehovah’s Witnesses Teach Jesus is Mighty God

[for_his_glory]

ok , does not help if the scriptures are used incorrectly

Please show me where I have used scripture incorrectly?

You believe according to the New World Translation that was written by the Watch Tower Society as JW's are not allowed to read anything other then what they publish or the member will be disfellowshiped. Any religion that claims they are the only ones that are God's true people and will go to heaven are nothing more than false religions.

If one reads the scriptures per what is written instead of allowing man to interpret them according to their carnal thinking, then the truth will come into your heart by that of the Holy Spirit. I will discuss scripture, but never allow myself to argue them with others.

1John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

The New World Translation is a translation of the KJV Bible written and published by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. It is used and distributed by Jehovah's Witnesses.

The New World Translation that the Watch Tower Society rewrote in KJV form compared to the Holy Bible - KJV

I present this to you as I have been working on this for quite awhile after downloading the NWT to compare the scriptures. I pray this will open your eyes to the deceit of the Watch Tower Society and their teachings about Jesus.

NWT John 1:1 In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was a god.
KJV John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(Notice NWT says “a god” also read John 1:14 as the word became flesh)

NWT Colossians 2:9 because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.
KJV Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
(All the fullness of the Godhead as all being the Spirit of God as being divine nature that is God)

NWT Philippians 2:5 Keep this mental attitude in YOU that was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although he was existing in God’s form, l gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. 7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men. 8 More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death, yes, death on a torture stake.
KJV Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
(Notice the crucifixion as NWT says stake and KJV says cross. JW's reject the traditional symbol of Christianity, the cross, as being of pagan origin. They translate the Greek word from the Christian Scriptures "stauros" as "torture stake", and believe that Jesus was crucified on a single upright wooden stake with no crossbeam. They view the cross as an Idol and wearing or displaying one is considered idol worship.)

 

[locust]

Please show me where I have used scripture incorrectly?

You believe according to the New World Translation that was written by the Watch Tower Society as JW's are not allowed to read anything other then what they publish or the member will be disfellowshiped. Any religion that claims they are the only ones that are God's true people and will go to heaven are nothing more than false religions.

If one reads the scriptures per what is written instead of allowing man to interpret them according to their carnal thinking, then the truth will come into your heart by that of the Holy Spirit. I will discuss scripture, but never allow myself to argue them with others.

1John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

The New World Translation is a translation of the KJV Bible written and published by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. It is used and distributed by Jehovah's Witnesses.

The New World Translation that the Watch Tower Society rewrote in KJV form compared to the Holy Bible - KJV

I present this to you as I have been working on this for quite awhile after downloading the NWT to compare the scriptures. I pray this will open your eyes to the deceit of the Watch Tower Society and their teachings about Jesus.

NWT John 1:1 In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was a god.
KJV John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(Notice NWT says “a god” also read John 1:14 as the word became flesh)

NWT Colossians 2:9 because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.
KJV Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
(All the fullness of the Godhead as all being the Spirit of God as being divine nature that is God)

NWT Philippians 2:5 Keep this mental attitude in YOU that was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although he was existing in God’s form, l gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. 7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men. 8 More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death, yes, death on a torture stake.
KJV Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
(Notice the crucifixion as NWT says stake and KJV says cross. JW's reject the traditional symbol of Christianity, the cross, as being of pagan origin. They translate the Greek word from the Christian Scriptures "stauros" as "torture stake", and believe that Jesus was crucified on a single upright wooden stake with no crossbeam. They view the cross as an Idol and wearing or displaying one is considered idol worship.)

there are things about the cross that do not fit into the the Bible's story that don't fit. when a man is hung on a cross the man is expected to live 3-4 days and is left there untill they do die . some are thinking the body would not be taken down ,just left there to rot . that was not the case for Jesus and the other two men . they had to be dead and buried that very day. Jesus actually died quicker than was expected,about 3 hours, which is why his legs were not broken. the other two men's legs were broken . by braking the legs they could not push themselves up to exhale the air in their lungs ,,,they suffocate .
as for the traditional symbol of Christianity you should wonder how that happen .
there is only one smart way to get a dead body down . that would be the reverse of how it was put up ,lift up out of the hole and lay it down. today's Christianity fails to realize the cross would of been used over and over again ,never left standing as the cross is seen today.

 

[SolaScriptura]

what about the part in the Bible where it says Jesus is a creation of God through which God had all things created

there is not a single verse in the entire Bible that says Jesus Christ is a "creation", or that the Father Created "through" Jesus Christ!

 

[for_his_glory]

locust Tell me if the below is truly found in the Bible. Disfellowshipping according to the Watch Tower Society comes against God and nothing more than a controlling man made system. Those JW's that come to your door are not even allowed to share scripture with you.

Most Christian churches have a system of moral oversight, but their systems are set up to help individuals with problems. Only after extensive effort over a period of time is action taken. Jehovah's Witnesses claim that Disfellowshipping is a loving act but in fact it is their most important control mechanism. It allows the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society to control its members with guilt and fear.

The Watchtower Society makes a lot of rules, based on their interpretations of various scriptures that all Jehovah's Witnesses must follow. Members are taught that that they must turn each other in for any rule violations. If they observe another Jehovah's Witness breaking a rule and do not report him or her to the elders they are as guilty as the offending party. Anyone breaking any of the Watchtower Society rules is called before 3 elders in a private meeting that is conducted like a trial. The elders become judge and jury deciding whose is repentant and who is not.

Members, who are found to be unrepentant of violations of Watchtower rules by these elders, are disfellowshipped. Jehovah’s Witnesses can be disfellowshipped for a number of rule violations: premarital or extramarital sex, using alcohol excessively, using tobacco products, celebrating Christmas, reciting the pledge of allegiance, lying, stealing, joining the military, speaking to a disfellowshipped Witness, reading religious material not published by the governing body, or running for political office just to name a few.

Fellow members are then required to shun him/her completely, having no contact even if the disfellowshipped person is a family member. (Some allowances are made if the family member is living in the same household). Disfellowshipping has a devastating effect because the individual's entire religious, family and social life are rooted in the Society. Keep in mind Jehovah’s Witnesses who are disfellowshipped are no longer part of the Watchtower Society and have, therefore, lost all hope of salvation until they can prove themselves worthy of being accepted back into the Watchtower Organization by their works.

Elders in the congregation are the ones who decide when an individual has earned the right to come back into the fold, and the Watchtower Organization instructs elders that it would be very rare for one to earn their way back in less than a year. In order to earn their way back they must attend meetings regularly, sit in the back of the church -Kingdom Hall- while everyone in the congregation ignores them, if anyone did dare to speak to them they could be disfellowshipped themselves. They must do this with the knowledge that if Armageddon should come before they have earned their way back they will be destroyed. Sad to say Disfellowshipping has resulted in suicide. Those who leave on their own are treated just as a disfellowshipped one. Once you join their group there is no easy way out.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings SolaScripture,

there is not a single verse in the entire Bible that says Jesus Christ is a "creation"

How do you understand the following highlighted, especially the word "made":
Psalm 8:4–6 (KJV): 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:

Is not the word "made" a creation word similar in context to the following:
Genesis 1:26–27 (KJV): 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[SolaScriptura]

Greetings SolaScripture,

How do you understand the following highlighted, especially the word "made":
Psalm 8:4–6 (KJV): 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:

Is not the word "made" a creation word similar in context to the following:
Genesis 1:26–27 (KJV): 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Kind regards
Trevor

made means to POSITION Jesus Christ in RANK! Nothing to do with Jesus being created!
Jesus Christ is the Creator, so how can He also be created?

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

Greetings SolaScripture,

How do you understand the following highlighted, especially the word "made":
Psalm 8:4–6 (KJV): 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:

Is not the word "made" a creation word similar in context to the following:
Genesis 1:26–27 (KJV): 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Kind regards
Trevor

TrevorL, Psalm 8 is a psalm of praise for God as the Creator of humanity, not a reference to the Person of God who becomes Jesus as both God and man. When he becomes human, he assumes a different role "lower than the angels" but remains God, as he himself proclaims most clearly in the Gospel of John. As God with the Father, he has always existed with the status of God but with different roles to accomplish.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again SolaScripture,

made means to POSITION Jesus Christ in RANK! Nothing to do with Jesus being created!

Jesus is a human being, made or created when the Holy Spirit came upon Mary to conceive.
Matthew 1:20–21 (KJV): 20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Luke 1:34–35 (KJV): 34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Jesus is the Son of man (Hebrew Adam) mentioned in Psalm 8:
Psalm 8:4–6 (KJV): 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:

Psalm 80:17 (KJV): Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, upon the son of man whom thou madest strong for thyself.

Jesus Christ is the Creator, so how can He also be created?

Psalm 8 is extensively quoted and expounded in the NT. Jesus alludes to, quotes and expounds Psalm 8 in the following and he attributes the creation to the One God, Yahweh, God the Father, God his Father:
Psalm 8:1–3 (KJV): 1 O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens. 2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger. 3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;

Matthew 11:25–30 (KJV): 25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. 28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

Greetings again SolaScripture,

Jesus is a human being, made or created when the Holy Spirit came upon Mary to conceive.
Matthew 1:20–21 (KJV): 20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Luke 1:34–35 (KJV): 34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Jesus is the Son of man (Hebrew Adam) mentioned in Psalm 8:
Psalm 8:4–6 (KJV): 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:

Psalm 80:17 (KJV): Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, upon the son of man whom thou madest strong for thyself.

Psalm 8 is extensively quoted and expounded in the NT. Jesus alludes to, quotes and expounds Psalm 8 in the following and he attributes the creation to the One God, Yahweh, God the Father, God his Father:
Psalm 8:1–3 (KJV): 1 O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens. 2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger. 3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;

Matthew 11:25–30 (KJV): 25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. 28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Kind regards
Trevor

TrevorL, Jesus Christ is fully human, born of the virgin Mary and the Holy Spirit, who hovered over her to conceive Jesus, who is also fully God as he claims in the Gospel of John. His conception has not created him; it has added onto his full deity (John 1:1) full humanity.

Jesus' favorite title is Son of Man, which comes from Daniel 7:13-14, where a fully-divine Person, whom the nations worship and serve, appears with the Ancient of Days, the Father. During his ministry, Jesus uses that title to hide his true, divine identity so that the authorities will have him crucified. He is deity, because he has had no beginning. The picture in Daniel 7 is of Jesus' ascension into heaven after his resurrection.

Dan 7:13 “I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him.
Dan 7:14 And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.

 

[for_his_glory]

Jesus is a human being, made or created when the Holy Spirit came upon Mary to conceive.

Jesus was not a created being, but was/is the divine word of God taking on human form at the moment of the incarnation when He was conceived in Mary's womb in order to identify with men, to walk among men teaching them that of what God gave Him to speak, John 12:49-50. JW's do not believe in the deity of Christ as they reject the Trinity. Jesus was also crucified on a cross and not a torture stake as we compare the NWT with the KJV of the Bible.

NWT John 1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was a god.
(Notice where it is written that the word was "a" god)

KJV John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(Notice KJV says the Word was God, not a god which implies many gods)

NWT John 1:2  This one was in the beginning with God.
(This one that was with God in the beginning was Jesus as this shows He was not created)

KJV John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
(The same here is Jesus that shows He was not a created being)

NWT John 1:3 3  All things came into existence through him and apart from him not even one thing came into existence what has come into existence

KJV John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
(All things were made by Jesus that came to existence as Jesus was not a created being)

NWT John 1:18   No man has seen God at any time the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.

KJV John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
(The only begotten Son, not a created begotten god)


The word cross is mentioned 28 times in the KJV of the Bible. His hands were nailed to the cross beam and his feet were nailed to the length beam. The cross is an upright wooden beam to which was added a transom making this a T-shaped structure.

NWT Matthew 27:26  Then he released Bar·abʹbas to them, but he had Jesus whipped and handed him over to be executed on the stake.

KJV Matthew 27:Mat 27:26 Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified.
(Those who wrote the NWT added on the stake that is not found in the KJV as He was crucified on a cross)

Matthew 27:31  Finally, after they had mocked him, they stripped him of the cloak and put his outer garments on him and led him off to be nailed to the stake. 32  As they were going out, they found a man of Cy·reʹne named Simon. This man they compelled into service to carry his torture stake.

KJV Matthew 27:31 And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him, and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him. 32 And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: him they compelled to bear his cross.
(Says nothing about a stake, but that Simon helped to carry the cross.)

NWT Matthew 27:35  When they had nailed him to the stake, they distributed his outer garments by casting lots.

KJV Matthew 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
(How can one be nailed to a stake as they would be bound with rope.)

NWT Mark 8:34  He now called the crowd to him with his disciples and said to them: “If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and keep following me.

KJV Mark 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
(A cross not a torture stake)

 

[SolaScriptura]

Greetings again SolaScripture,

Jesus is a human being, made or created when the Holy Spirit came upon Mary to conceive.
Matthew 1:20–21 (KJV): 20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Luke 1:34–35 (KJV): 34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Jesus is the Son of man (Hebrew Adam) mentioned in Psalm 8:
Psalm 8:4–6 (KJV): 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:

Psalm 80:17 (KJV): Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, upon the son of man whom thou madest strong for thyself.

Psalm 8 is extensively quoted and expounded in the NT. Jesus alludes to, quotes and expounds Psalm 8 in the following and he attributes the creation to the One God, Yahweh, God the Father, God his Father:
Psalm 8:1–3 (KJV): 1 O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens. 2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger. 3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;

Matthew 11:25–30 (KJV): 25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. 28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Kind regards
Trevor

IF, as you say, that Jesus Christ is merely a human being, Who was created by the Father. How is it at all possible for the Gospels, which were Written under the Inspiration of God the Holy Spirit, to take a passage from the Old Testament, which is clearly spoken of Yahweh, and use it directly for Jesus Christ?

I am referring to Isaiah 40:3, which reads:

"A voice is crying in a wilderness: “Prepare the way of YHWH, "" Make straight in a desert a highway for our God""

In Matthew 3:3, and the other Gospels, we read:

"For this is He who was spoken of by the prophet Isaiah when he said, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the Way of the Lord; make His paths straight.’”

the "He" here is referring to the Lord Jesus Christ. The "Way of the Lord", is literally "the Way of YHWH"

This, and other such passages, where Jesus Christ is clearly YHWH, is not because Jesus is merely "representing" the Father, but that He is actually Himself YHWH.

Either the Writers in the New Testament are mistaken by what they Write, which would make the Holy Spirit also in error. Or, what we read by this clear application, is the FACT, that Jesus Christ is indeed YHWH, very much as the Father is YHWH, and as I have shown in the OP, the Holy Spirit is also YHWH.

There can be no other "interpretation" of what we read so clearly in The Scriptures.

 

[locust]

NWT John 1:1 In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was a god.

You have been wanting to make jesus a god,,,,,,,,,,,,,, .and so you have it

 

[SolaScriptura]

You have been wanting to make jesus a god,,,,,,,,,,,,,, .and so you have it

NWT is a FALSE translation for John 1:1, "a god", as the Greek grammar and Christology of the Bible is against this

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again SolaScripture, Bruce Letter and for_his_glory.

IF, as you say, that Jesus Christ is merely a human being, Who was created by the Father.

I believe that Jesus is a human being and he was created by the Father. He is more than a MERE human being because he is a special human being directly conceived and born by God's power, the Holy Spirit. He was specially born, and specially educated by God to be the Saviour. Now I must apologise, as I am not a JW, but was motivated to engage by your statement that Jesus was not a creation. I will desist from this thread in the future if I am breaking a rule and the admin insist.

We call humans "human creatures" even though we are a product of our parents. Nevertheless we are descendants of Adam, and our lives are because of God's initial creation of man and woman. Jesus was a human being also the product of God's intervention and Mary. Also you claim that "MADE a little lower than the angels" is status only, but David summarises Genesis 1:26-27 "Let us MAKE man" and uses this framework of the Genesis creation to speak of the conception and birth of Jesus as a human being, and thus a creature, or a new creation, THE new creation..

How is it at all possible for the Gospels, which were Written under the Inspiration of God the Holy Spirit, to take a passage from the Old Testament, which is clearly spoken of Yahweh, and use it directly for Jesus Christ?
I am referring to Isaiah 40:3, which reads:
"A voice is crying in a wilderness: “Prepare the way of YHWH, "" Make straight in a desert a highway for our God""

Yes, Jesus is the medium, the individual through whom the Yahweh Name "I will be" is revealed. Jesus is the fulfillment of the Yahweh Name.

This, and other such passages, where Jesus Christ is clearly YHWH, is not because Jesus is merely "representing" the Father, but that He is actually Himself YHWH.
There can be no other "interpretation" of what we read so clearly in The Scriptures.

Yes, Jesus is Yahweh revealed:
John 17:6 (KJV): I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

His conception has not created him; it has added onto his full deity (John 1:1) full humanity.

I understand John 1:1 as a personification, similar to the Wise Woman WISDOM in Proverbs 8. John 1:14 speaks about the birth of Jesus, similar to Matthew 1:20-21 and Luke 1:34-35. God is the father of his only begotten son. Trinitarians usually go to some length to reject the proper meaning of "Only begotten Son" here in John 1:14 and John 3:16.

Jesus' favorite title is Son of Man, which comes from Daniel 7:13-14, where a fully-divine Person

The title "THE Son of Man" comes first from Psalm 8:4-6 and Psalm 80:17 and is literally The Son of Adam, and this speaks firstly that Jesus is the specific HUMAN descended from Adam, who will fulfill God's purpose in the earth and Jesus will have the dominion lost by Adam, and God's purpose through Jesus will result in the New Creation when the earth will be filled with the Glory of Yahweh.

JW's do not believe in the deity of Christ as they reject the Trinity.

I also reject the Trinity but do not accept the JW view that Jesus was Michael and I consider their rendition of John 1:1 "a god" as erroneous.

Jesus was also crucified on a cross and not a torture stake as we compare the NWT with the KJV of the Bible.

I am not sure exactly how Jesus was crucified, and I do not consider it important whether there was a cross bar or not. If the JWs want to hold onto their view, this does not worry me, but I consider that they do this more to be different from an abused religious symbol.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[locust]

NWT is a FALSE translation for John 1:1, "a god", as the Greek grammar and Christology of the Bible is against this

what ? are you saying Jesus is not a godly being?

 

[Free]

what ? are you saying Jesus is not a godly being?

He is God, not “a god,” since, as I have previously pointed out, there is no such being. Remember, Yahweh himself said there was nor ever would be another god. It’s just one more instance of the NWT changing what is said based on ideology, and ends up contradicting itself.

 

[SolaScriptura]

what ? are you saying Jesus is not a godly being?

I am saying that the NWT for "theology", as on purpose mistranslated the end of John 1:1, so that they make Jesus Christ into "a god". Their own translation of Isaiah 9:6, as in the OP, is against this, as they say that Jesus is "Mighty God", with the capital G.

 

[SolaScriptura]

Greetings again SolaScripture, Bruce Letter and for_his_glory.


I believe that Jesus is a human being and he was created by the Father. He is more than a MERE human being because he is a special human being directly conceived and born by God's power, the Holy Spirit. He was specially born, and specially educated by God to be the Saviour. Now I must apologise, as I am not a JW, but was motivated to engage by your statement that Jesus was not a creation. I will desist from this thread in the future if I am breaking a rule and the admin insist.

We call humans "human creatures" even though we are a product of our parents. Nevertheless we are descendants of Adam, and our lives are because of God's initial creation of man and woman. Jesus was a human being also the product of God's intervention and Mary. Also you claim that "MADE a little lower than the angels" is status only, but David summarises Genesis 1:26-27 "Let us MAKE man" and uses this framework of the Genesis creation to speak of the conception and birth of Jesus as a human being, and thus a creature, or a new creation, THE new creation..

Yes, Jesus is the medium, the individual through whom the Yahweh Name "I will be" is revealed. Jesus is the fulfillment of the Yahweh Name.

Yes, Jesus is Yahweh revealed:
John 17:6 (KJV): I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

I understand John 1:1 as a personification, similar to the Wise Woman WISDOM in Proverbs 8. John 1:14 speaks about the birth of Jesus, similar to Matthew 1:20-21 and Luke 1:34-35. God is the father of his only begotten son. Trinitarians usually go to some length to reject the proper meaning of "Only begotten Son" here in John 1:14 and John 3:16.

The title "THE Son of Man" comes first from Psalm 8:4-6 and Psalm 80:17 and is literally The Son of Adam, and this speaks firstly that Jesus is the specific HUMAN descended from Adam, who will fulfill God's purpose in the earth and Jesus will have the dominion lost by Adam, and God's purpose through Jesus will result in the New Creation when the earth will be filled with the Glory of Yahweh.

I also reject the Trinity but do not accept the JW view that Jesus was Michael and I consider their rendition of John 1:1 "a god" as erroneous.

I am not sure exactly how Jesus was crucified, and I do not consider it important whether there was a cross bar or not. If the JWs want to hold onto their view, this does not worry me, but I consider that they do this more to be different from an abused religious symbol.

Kind regards
Trevor

Trevor, your reasoning has nothing to do with the actual passages that you quote, where Jesus is clearly YHWH, but your JW "Christology", which blasphemes to say that Jesus is "created"!

As Jesus is the CREATOR, HOW can He be the "creation"? God did not "Create" Himself!

Thread 'The Father Addresses Jesus Christ as The Creator'

Friday at 12:49 AM

The Father Addresses Jesus Christ as The Creator

“And: In the beginning, Lord, You established the earth, and the heavens are the works of Your hands; they will perish, but You remain. They will all wear out like clothing; You will roll them up like a cloak, and they will be changed like a robe. But You are the same, and Your years will never end” (Hebrews 1:10-12)

This passage is continued from verse 5, where the Father begins to Address Jesus Christ:

“For to which of the angels did He say at any time, “You are my Son. Today I have become your Father?” and again, “I will be to...

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[TrevorL]

Greetings again SolaScripture,

Trevor, your reasoning has nothing to do with the actual passages that you quote, where Jesus is clearly YHWH, but your JW "Christology", which blasphemes to say that Jesus is "created"!

I quoted Psalm 8:4-6 which you seem to avoid and from the above you seem to deny my "reasoning" on this actual passage. Please read Psalm 8 again, then comapre it with Genesis 1:26-27 and then also Matthew 11:25-30. Also 1 Corinthians 15 and Hebrews 2 may help you understand Psalm 8, which is usually avoided or misrepresented by Trinitarians, and it appears even Sola Scripture advocates. The NT is very clear on the teaching on Psalm 8.

Jesus is not YHWH in Psalm 8, as YHWH made Jesus, the Son of Man, a little lower than the Angels. I do not endorse JW "Christology" and as for the charge of blasphemy, many narrow minded people also charged Jesus with blasphemy. It is an honour to be identified with him.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[locust]

1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This one was in the beginning with God. All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. What has come into existence by means of him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light is shining in the darkness, but the darkness has not overpowered it.

''and the Word was with God,'' we know who the Word is , he is Jesus . something of what we know of him is that he is the son of God. he ,Jesus being the ''son '' is something that should be burned into your psyche to then know that a son , be it created or even procreated, was not, could not decide if he could come into existence. that was in fact an act of God the Father.
why it is that it can't be Comprehended ?
Jehovah God so long ,long ,long ago took it a Upon himself to make another much like himself . God made it possible for men to do a similar act to day . try as you might you will never get a perfect copy of your self . all you will ever get is son's with similar characteristics . Jesus as well has the same characteristics of Jehovah ,he is like him so much so when the Father does something you should know his son would of done the very same thing.
Jesus, being the son of his father the God, would by defilation make Jesus a god as well.