Did the Son have a beginning?

JesusFan said:
Your own quoted passage here indicates that Jesus remanded Him to be seen in same fashion as the Father was, as both equally God
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That not what Jesus stated nor what was shown.

Jesus was found worthy of glory, honor and power because He purchased for God by His blood peoples from all nations.

God, our Father is worthy of glory, honor and power for He created all things and by His will they were created.

This who Jesus calls the only true God and I follow Him. As Jesus also states My God and YOUR God.
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

He did not state this nor anything in regard to your 3rd person the Spirit as its the Fathers Spirit who is the only true God.
Now this is eternal life that they know us the only true God.

Apparently what the Father revealed to Peter is no longer good enough even though Jesus called Him blessed.

“But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

16Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

17Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven

Jesus is God's Christ, Christ, the Lord.

Does the true God need to ask and receive authority or belongings from any other?
About the Lords annointed, (Christ)
2nd Psalm
Ask me,
and I will make the nations your inheritance,
the ends of the earth your possession.

The 2nd coming. The Son of Man coming with/on the clouds of heaven.

Why the need?
“In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence.14He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
 
Randy said:
If the Father has a beginning it could not be by any other being.

"No God was formed before me"
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The Infallible Word of God in The 66 Inspired Books of the Holy Bible, is very clear to all who will hear what It Teaches on God

There is One Godhead, or Divine Nature. There are Three Distinct Persons Who are 100% CoEqual as YHWH, that is, Eternal, Self-Existing, with no priority or subordination to either Person.

Neither Person can ever have had a "beginning" to their "Existence", as they are Eternal, without beginning or end. The Father is NOT "greater" than Jesus Christ in the Eternal Godhead. However, for the purpose of the Incarnation, Jesus Who IS YHWH, took upon Himself the "nature of man", and became The God-Man. At this time, and during His time on earth, Jesus submitted Himself to the Father, though at the same time, remained COEQUAL, in His Deity. This is very clearly taught in places like John 17:5; Philippians 2:5-11, and Hebrews 2:9, which must be looked at in the Greek, to get a good understanding of what it written.
 
Randy said:
That not what Jesus stated nor what was shown.

Jesus was found worthy of glory, honor and power because He purchased for God by His blood peoples from all nations.

God, our Father is worthy of glory, honor and power for He created all things and by His will they were created.

This who Jesus calls the only true God and I follow Him. As Jesus also states My God and YOUR God.
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

He did not state this nor anything in regard to your 3rd person the Spirit as its the Fathers Spirit who is the only true God.
Now this is eternal life that they know us the only true God.

Apparently what the Father revealed to Peter is no longer good enough even though Jesus called Him blessed.

“But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

16Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

17Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven

Jesus is God's Christ, Christ, the Lord.

Does the true God need to ask and receive authority or belongings from any other?
About the Lords annointed, (Christ)
2nd Psalm
Ask me,
and I will make the nations your inheritance,
the ends of the earth your possession.

The 2nd coming. The Son of Man coming with/on the clouds of heaven.

Why the need?
“In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence.14He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
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Jesus was Suprere Creator, and all of creation he maintains and sustains
 
SolaScriptura said:
The Infallible Word of God in The 66 Inspired Books of the Holy Bible, is very clear to all who will hear what It Teaches on God

There is One Godhead, or Divine Nature. There are Three Distinct Persons Who are 100% CoEqual as YHWH, that is, Eternal, Self-Existing, with no priority or subordination to either Person.

Neither Person can ever have had a "beginning" to their "Existence", as they are Eternal, without beginning or end. The Father is NOT "greater" than Jesus Christ in the Eternal Godhead. However, for the purpose of the Incarnation, Jesus Who IS YHWH, took upon Himself the "nature of man", and became The God-Man. At this time, and during His time on earth, Jesus submitted Himself to the Father, though at the same time, remained COEQUAL, in His Deity. This is very clearly taught in places like John 17:5; Philippians 2:5-11, and Hebrews 2:9, which must be looked at in the Greek, to get a good understanding of what it written.
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Jesus was willing to humble Himself to become Human and receive all of the limitations implied for assuming on Human flesh, so accepted while upon Earth in the Incarnation a temp subordination, but he was and is equally God and Equally sinless man
 
JesusFan said:
Jesus was willing to humble Himself to become Human and receive all of the limitations implied for assuming on Human flesh, so accepted while upon Earth in the Incarnation a temp subordination, but he was and is equally God and Equally sinless man
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concerning Jesus' Divine Nature post Incarnation, as the God-Man, He was 100% coequal with the Father, which is why He said that He must be Honoured exactly as the Father is, while on earth (John 5:23); and that He and the Father are equal in Power, Protection and Authority, and One Being (John 10:27-30). The only "limitations" were His "equality" as the Person Jesus Christ, the God-Man, as pertaining His "Human Nature", except any sin.
 
locust said:
Websters gives something like 14 understandings of spirit ,are you using the right one ?
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I don’t base my understanding on what Webster’s dictionary says.

Scripture is what followers of Jesus Christ refer to for the truth.

Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 1 Peter 1:10-11

Do you acknowledge that the Spirit of Christ was in the Old Testament prophets?

The Spirit of Christ testified through the Old Testament prophets about things He would suffer.


The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him:
“And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced…
Zechariah 12:1,10
 
Randy said:
The Spirit of God is the Spirit of the one Jesus Himself calls His God and the only true God.
It's clear to me God as in the Father created by/through/for His Son.
Jesus, as a child of God, a Son, has His own spirit. -"Father into your hands I commit My spirit"

Yahweh owns everything and is Love.
The Son was appointed Heir of all things and received authority.
If the Son was Yahweh this wouldn't have needed to be stated, "You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness", nor would such a reason be needed to appoint Him above His companions as Yahweh is the living God.

The reason the God of the Son calls His Son God was this is His doing. Col 1:19 The only begotten God and the Son was chosen at the very beginning of the creation of God not at the incarnation.

The Son is all that the Father is, that is the Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact expression of his nature for in Him dwells all the fullness of the Fathers Deity. God was the Logos in this context.

There is only one Spirit of God and I assure you it's the Fathers always. It is that Spirit that acts on the point of will of the mind of the Son, hence the Spirit of Christ. Jesus has His own spirit, not Deity. He is the Firstborn of God.
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Sorry Randy

You are just stating opinion. You argue because you lean on your own understanding and opinion, rather than allow the scriptures, and the Holy Spirit to guide you.


Here is what the scriptures actually say.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And: “You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands. Hebrews 1:8-10


The Father calls the Son, LORD. (YHWH)

The Son is called LORD, (YHWH) by the Father.

The Son, created the heavens and the earth.
 
JLB said:
I don’t base my understanding on what Webster’s dictionary says.

Scripture is what followers of Jesus Christ refer to for the truth.

Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 1 Peter 1:10-11

Do you acknowledge that the Spirit of Christ was in the Old Testament prophets?

The Spirit of Christ testified through the Old Testament prophets about things He would suffer.


The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him:
“And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced…
Zechariah 12:1,10
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JLB said:
Sorry Randy

You are just stating opinion. You argue because you lean on your own understanding and opinion, rather than allow the scriptures, and the Holy Spirit to guide you.


Here is what the scriptures actually say.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And: “You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands. Hebrews 1:8-10


The Father calls the Son, LORD. (YHWH)

The Son is called LORD, (YHWH) by the Father.

The Son, created the heavens and the earth.
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i'd like to help you out here , you've made a few grammatical errors . not picking on you ,its something seen often . in the Bible when we see LORD in capital letters it means it replaces the name that should be there. in English that name is Jehovah . some bibles will use YHWH yet that's not the name in English .
another tidbit is when referring to any other god besides Jehovah God the ''g'' is always lower case .
and this concludes today's lesson .
 
locust said:
i'd like to help you out here , you've made a few grammatical errors . not picking on you ,its something seen often . in the Bible when we see LORD in capital letters it means it replaces the name that should be there. in English that name is Jehovah . some bibles will use YHWH yet that's not the name in English .
another tidbit is when referring to any other god besides Jehovah God the ''g'' is always lower case .
and this concludes today's lesson .
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The Jews know of no "Jehovah", but only "Yahweh", which is from YHWH.
 
JLB said:
I don’t base my understanding on what Webster’s dictionary says.
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you don't but others do . you could be speaking saying spirit meaning holy spirit but some other is hearing team spirit or 13 other spirit's .
I am surprised we never came up with a way to indicate which with out adding more words . if I were to invite you over and said bring some spirits with you . I'm thinking/speaking of alcohol you may bring a the Ouija board.
 
William Tyndale was the first to use the word, Jehovah, which is only in the 16th century AD!

Yahweh, on the other hand, is found in the very first Book of the Bible, Genesis, chapter 2, verse 4. around 1400 BC. that is about 3000 years before Tyndale!
 
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