Brother Mike
Luke 21:5-5 and Luke 21:20
20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people.
Here is the phrase that separates the events of the above mentioned verse's, from the return of Jesus Christ -
24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations.
And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
The Jerusalem Covenant, could very well be the document that puts an end to the times of the Gentiles, and them trampling Jerusalem.
http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/covenant.html
This Covenant,
once it's confirmed by a World Governing Ruler, will effectively give the Jews full authority to remove the Dome of the Rock as well as all Gentile influence.
JLB
JLB
You said "Here is the phrase that separates the events of the above mentioned verse's, from the return of Jesus Christ -
24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. "
You can't separate "ALL". ALL Means ALL. The Holy Ghost diddnt separate "all" so why do you try?
Seems to me you like to "separate" the scriptures.....like Daniel's 70 weeks, like the fourth kingdom in Dan.2, like Jesus' discourses.....?????
Actually (according to Luke 21:32) verse 24 "And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled" was also fulfilled before the generation which saw Jerusalem destroyed died.
You can't just pick a magic scripture and say "poof"....."hey everyone, this scripture "separates" Jesus' discourse by 2000 years"......
I can't imagine actually posting something like that.
JLB, you will never refute my Luke 21 argument.....,,because it's the truth!
If your best attempt is to say "verse 24 separates the discourse"......well, good luck friend.
Blessings
22 For these are the days of vengeance,
that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
By "all", I take it you are referring to this verse?
All things that were prophesied in the Old Testament
will certainly be fulfilled.
All the things that were Prophesied in the Old Testament
were not all fulfilled in 70 AD.
The Messiah was cut off as Prophesied in 33 AD.
The Temple was destroyed in 70 AD, as prophesied.
These events are
SEPARATED BY A SPAN OF ABOUT 37 YEARS!
Likewise other things that were prophesied, that make up the sum of ALL THINGS BEING FULFILLED, will also be separated by a span of time.
That is how I separated the time frame of 70 AD from the fulfillment of the Coming of the Son of Man.
It's called rightly dividing the word of truth.
JLB
JLB
You said "22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
By "all", I take it you are referring to this verse?"
Answer: No, this was not the verse I was referring to.
Here is the verse I was referring to.
" Luke 21:32 .... "this generation shall not pass away until ALL be fulfilled"
The word "ALL" refers to everything spoken in this discourse.
Both verses 20 and 27 are a part of the Luke 21 discourse and both are therefore included in the "ALL" in verse 32.
With the proper verse in mind, look at my argument again:
In Luke 21:32 Jesus says "this generation shall not pass away until all be fulfilled"
Fact: the phrase "this generation" refers to a single (one-a specific) generation
Fact: The word "all" means "all, the whole, all things, everything" (everything and all thimgs in the discourse)
Fact: Both "seeing" Jerusalems destruction (verse 20) and "seeing" Jesus' "coming in the clouds" (verse 27) are spoken of in this same discourse and therefore both verse are included in the phrase "until ALL be fulfilled"
Question: How can a single generation (this generation), "be alive" (not pass away) and "see" both Jerusalems destruction (which happened in 70ad) and Jesus' future return (which has not happened yet)?
In other words, how can a single generation be alive and witness 2 events which are
separated by nearly 2000 years and counting?
The answer is they can't! That is why this "coming in the clouds"/coming of the Lord"
scripture does not refer to Jesus' future return!
This argument and reasoning is airtight, there is no hope for the futurist to refute this, which is why none have thus far!
(JLB, concerning verse 22 which you thought I was speaking of "For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled", you do greatly err.
This scripture is not saying that "all prophecy will be fulfilled in these days".
Rather, this scripture is saying that "the days of vengeance" will make possible "all things which are written to be fulfilled"
Read it: "For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled"
Without the destruction of Jerusalem and it's system, all things written could not be fulfilled!
Another truth of this scripture is to understand it in it's context, especially verses 20-21. The context is Jerusalems desolstion (20) and judgment which were the "days of
vengeance". Between 67-70ad, all things which were written concerning "vengeance" upon Jerusalem were fulfilled.)
As I said, you will never refute my argument in Luke 21.
No matter your reason, this prophecy can not be separated by 2000 years.
"this generation" (luke 21:32) refers to a single generation, and no generation has lived 2000 years!
We must wait on the understanding rather than "separate" prophecies to fit what we do understand.
You still have not shown how I am wrong in Luke 21 JLB.
thanks