The Holy Trinity vs. Salvation

[Guest]

The definition of resurrect/dictionary.com: to raise from the dead; bring to life again. Me - Raise from the dead, who raised Jesus from the dead? God the Father. Romans 10:9 says we must believe and confess, this is exactly what Romans is talking about. An unbeliever doesn't know what he is believing and confessing just yet, BUT HE WILL!! Bring to life again, meaning you were dead to God, you were walking in sin, but after one confesses and believes you are no longer dead to God! God resurrects himself inside of you with his Holy Spirit and His Word/Jesus! He is not dead inside believers, you have that sentence backwards. He is dead inside of sinners and alive inside of believers!

No, there was more to that sentence. I said,

You're not gonna understand what I'm saying until you address your belief of who Jesus Christ is and what his resurrections mean to you. Where did Jesus go after he died?!

I'm implying that you are avoiding who Jesus was when he walked the earth. You can't put Jesus in a box like trinitarian. He's not just a belief you have. He was a person, a human being with flesh and a spirit and a soul and a mind. That's like saying your friend is a musician but he doesn't do anything. There is no substance to your friend, you just say he is a musician. Prove to me he is a musician. Well if you want proof that his resurrection is true you must believe and confess. Jesus has substance! What does trinitarian say about Jesus? Why is talking about Jesus upset you, this is a Christian forum. Is Jesus not alive in Heaven right now?? The only way to God the Father is through Jesus first.

 

[gr8grace]

The definition of resurrect/dictionary.com: to raise from the dead; bring to life again. Me - Raise from the dead, who raised Jesus from the dead? God the Father. Romans 10:9 says we must believe and confess, this is exactly what Romans is talking about. An unbeliever doesn't know what he is believing and confessing just yet, BUT HE WILL!! Bring to life again, meaning you were dead to God, you were walking in sin, but after one confesses and believes you are no longer dead to God! God resurrects himself inside of you with his Holy Spirit and His Word/Jesus! He is not dead inside believers, you have that sentence backwards. He is dead inside of sinners and alive inside of believers!

No, there was more to that sentence. I said,


I'm implying that you are avoiding who Jesus was when he walked the earth. You can't put Jesus in a box like trinitarian. He's not just a belief you have. He was a person, a human being with flesh and a spirit and a soul and a mind. That's like saying your friend is a musician but he doesn't do anything. There is no substance to your friend, you just say he is a musician. Prove to me he is a musician. Well if you want proof that his resurrection is true you must believe and confess. Jesus has substance! What does trinitarian say about Jesus? Why is talking about Jesus upset you, this is a Christian forum. Is Jesus not alive in Heaven right now?? The only way to God the Father is through Jesus first.

Hi urk,

Just trying to discern what you are saying? I do not think that Free has said anything that we should question his salvation or his beliefs pertaining to Jesus. You seem to have a new revelation and I cannot see what you are trying to say on this thread. Could you explain further?

Are you a new believer? I mean no disrespect, maybe I have just overlooked some things.

 

[Guest]

Hi urk,

Just trying to discern what you are saying? I do not think that Free has said anything that we should question his salvation or his beliefs pertaining to Jesus. You seem to have a new revelation and I cannot see what you are trying to say on this thread. Could you explain further?

Are you a new believer? I mean no disrespect, maybe I have just overlooked some things.

No worries, I have been saved since the fall of 2005. I have been in Christ for seven years now. We should be questioning religious labels. Jesus is bigger than labels, is he not?What specifically are you at terms with? Blessings.

 

[gr8grace]

No worries, I have been saved since the fall of 2005. I have been in Christ for seven years now. We should be questioning religious labels. Jesus is bigger than labels, is he not?What specifically are you at terms with? Blessings.

I just think that we all put Jesus in a box to a certain extent, he is infinite and we are finite. I do not see your point of resurrection of Jesus in the believers body. He IS alive, and by his resurrection He is able to make a new creation in us. He does not resurrect our flesh, He makes a new creature in us. He resurrects nothing in us, He makes us a new creature. Christ is resurrected and never resurrects Himself in us, He did that once for all. Now He makes us new creatures because He IS resurrected.

And if I missed the verses that he says He will resurrect Himself in us can you show me?

Another thing I would like to address is the Resurrections for humans:

The bible teaches that there are two types of resurrection.
Daniel 12:2; John 5:29; Acts 24:15

A. Resurrection unto judgment: Rev. 20:11-15.....unbelief only
B. Resurrection unto life: 1 Cor. 15:20-24.....belief only

 

[Guest]

I just think that we all put Jesus in a box to a certain extent, he is infinite and we are finite. I do not see your point of resurrection of Jesus in the believers body. He IS alive, and by his resurrection He is able to make a new creation in us. He does not resurrect our flesh, He makes a new creature in us. He resurrects nothing in us, He makes us a new creature. Christ is resurrected and never resurrects Himself in us, He did that once for all. Now He makes us new creatures because He IS resurrected.

And if I missed the verses that he says He will resurrect Himself in us can you show me?

Another thing I would like to address is the Resurrections for humans:

The bible teaches that there are two types of resurrection.
Daniel 12:2; John 5:29; Acts 24:15

A. Resurrection unto judgment: Rev. 20:11-15.....unbelief only
B. Resurrection unto life: 1 Cor. 15:20-24.....belief only

Now I see what you're saying, Yes Jarrod, you are correct but you're missing the second half of the definition of resurrection. God the Father resurrected Jesus from the dead, this part of the resurrection is already complete. What God does though is he makes us new creatures, as in he resurrects our new nature. So in a way, yes he does resurrect us. Is your Resurrection B the same as my 'bring to life again' Resurrection? I hope I'm not confusing you.

Don't forget that 'bring to life again' is also in the definition of resurrection. Your missing the other part of the definition, he does resurrect your flesh. Your old flesh was sinful, now your flesh is a holy vessel. To clarify, the other half of the definition, 'bring to life again' is what Jesus was saying in John Chapter 3, you must be born again to see the kingdom of God. You were once dead in sin, now you are alive in Christ Jesus through believing and confessing. Not only that, you are now SEALED until redemption! What a gift!!!! Wow!!

Also, forget all the labels for a second even though holiness is a fact of God but I wanna make a point, holy trinity, trinity, oneness, trinitarian, or whatever else is out there. Let's just say what the trinity really is, to truly understand what the trinity implies we have to come to revelation that God the Father is a Spirit, Glory, Grace, Power, Knowledge, Omnipotent Omniscient, Omnipresent, Word. Jesus is nothing without God the Father, correct me if I'm wrong..

The Holy Trinity without Labels - God the Father/God Deity the Son/God Deity the Holy Spirit
God the Father: Spirit, Glory, Grace, Power, Knowledge, Omnipotent Omniscient, Omnipresent, Word
The Holy Spirit - Is a gift from/of God the Father since God the Father is a Spirit. Helper/Comforter
Jesus - Is God/Deity Manifested into Flesh - God the Father's Word Made Flesh

Jesus is what makes the (resurrection/bring to life again) complete in your lifetime here on earth! Simply because he is flesh and we are flesh. In order for the resurrection to work you would have to understand that God the Father is all powerful and all knowing etc..but God the Father loves us so much that he manifested himself into flesh and gave us a way to 'bring to life again' through his son. The resurrection is only possible because of God the Father in all of his grace/power etc...God the Father gives Jesus power etc..how do you think Jesus rose Lazarus from the dead and performed all those miracles??

For example, when you receive salvation God the Father doesn't send himself, he sends his spirit. Can you image if God the Father had sent himself to believers. We wouldn't be able to withstand his glory and power etc etc..!!!!

 

[Guest]

In a way yes, Christ does resurrect himself in us. He resurrects his characteristics in us..love, mercy, peace, strength, wisdom, guidance etc etc etc...characteristics from a heavenly order.

 

[gr8grace]

Now I see what you're saying, Yes Jarrod, you are correct but you're missing the second half of the definition of resurrection. God the Father resurrected Jesus from the dead, this part of the resurrection is already complete. What God does though is he makes us new creatures, as in he resurrects our new nature. So in a way, yes he does resurrect us. Is your Resurrection B the same as my 'bring to life again' Resurrection? I hope I'm not confusing you.

Don't forget that 'bring to life again' is also in the definition of resurrection. Your missing the other part of the definition, he does resurrect your flesh. Your old flesh was sinful, now your flesh is a holy vessel. To clarify, the other half of the definition, 'bring to life again' is what Jesus was saying in John Chapter 3, you must be born again to see the kingdom of God. You were once dead in sin, now you are alive in Christ Jesus through believing and confessing. Not only that, you are now SEALED until redemption! What a gift!!!! Wow!!

Also, forget all the labels for a second even though holiness is a fact of God but I wanna make a point, holy trinity, trinity, oneness, trinitarian, or whatever else is out there. Let's just say what the trinity really is, to truly understand what the trinity implies we have to come to revelation that God the Father is a Spirit, Glory, Grace, Power, Knowledge, Omnipotent Omniscient, Omnipresent, Word. Jesus is nothing without God the Father, correct me if I'm wrong..

The Holy Trinity without Labels - God the Father/God Deity the Son/God Deity the Holy Spirit
God the Father: Spirit, Glory, Grace, Power, Knowledge, Omnipotent Omniscient, Omnipresent, Word
The Holy Spirit - Is a gift from/of God the Father since God the Father is a Spirit. Helper/Comforter
Jesus - Is God/Deity Manifested into Flesh - God the Father's Word Made Flesh

Jesus is what makes the (resurrection/bring to life again) complete in your lifetime here on earth! Simply because he is flesh and we are flesh. In order for the resurrection to work you would have to understand that God the Father is all powerful and all knowing etc..but God the Father loves us so much that he manifested himself into flesh and gave us a way to 'bring to life again' through his son. The resurrection is only possible because of God the Father in all of his grace/power etc...God the Father gives Jesus power etc..how do you think Jesus rose Lazarus from the dead and performed all those miracles??

For example, when you receive salvation God the Father doesn't send himself, he sends his spirit. Can you image if God the Father had sent himself to believers. We wouldn't be able to withstand his glory and power etc etc..!!!!

What I see you doing is what we all do at times. Try to wrap our little heads(mine included!) around the oneness yet three distinct persons. You can rightfully proclaim that God the Father raised Jesus, but I can rightfully claim that the Spirit raised Jesus! And I can rightfully claim that Jesus raised Himself!

ROM 8:11, "But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you."

Agents of the resurrection of Christ.
A. The Father, Col 2:12, 1 Pet 1:21, 1 Thess 1:10.
B. The Holy Spirit, Act.2:24, Rom.1:4, 8:11, 1 Pet 3:18.
C. The Son, Rom 4:24.

And I will have to disagree with you that the Father DOESN'T send Himself to indwell us. ....He DOES indwell the believer. We are indwelt by all Three.

God the Father:John 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him, and make Our abode with him. (NAS)
Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all. (NAS)

God the Son:John 14:20 “In that day you shall know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. (NAS)
John 17:23 I in them, and Thou in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, that the world may know that Thou didst send Me, and didst love them, even as Thou didst love Me. (NAS)
Colossians 1:27 to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. (NAS)

God the Holy Spirit:Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who indwells you. (NAS)

1 Corinthians 3:16 Do you not know that you are a temple of God, and {that} the Spirit of God dwells in you? (NAS)

This is very basic but each person of the Trinity has a specific purpose:

God the Father: It is His Plan, And He gives us His Plan for our lives. We need Him in us because it is His plan.

God the Son: He provides us with eternal security and Hope through His death and resurrection.

God the Holy Spirit: He provides God the Father and God the Son a Holy dwelling in the Believer, The Spirit regenerates us and applies our spiritual gifts.

Notice in a lot of the verses that proclaim Jesus does indwell us, He brings the Father with Him when He comes to indwell us. Jesus and the Father are ONE, Yet distinct!

Trinity 101 will probably be 2-3 trillion years of study in heaven, then we will graduate to kindergarten.

 

[gr8grace]

In a way yes, Christ does resurrect himself in us. He resurrects his characteristics in us..love, mercy, peace, strength, wisdom, guidance etc etc etc...characteristics from a heavenly order.

And I do see what you are saying about resurrection, we are just using different types of expressions from what I can see.

 

[Arch Angle]

It doesn't.

Think of the trinity as your Mind-body-spirit. Are you the same person?

Think of how people see you. Your mom, your wife, your enemy? Are you thesame person?

The triangle is the first shape where if you change one side, all elsechanges with it. If you improve your mind. body, or spirit the others follow.

Think of perceptive, or experiences as the angles, they all add up to one360 circle back to Christ.

 

[Guest]

And I will have to disagree with you that the Father DOESN'T send Himself to indwell us. ....He DOES indwell the believer. We are indwelt by all Three.

Disagree? but that's precisely what I said, the Father doesn't send himself. He sends his spirit/holy spirit..

For example, when you receive salvation God the Father doesn't send himself, he sends his spirit. Can you image if God the Father had sent himself to believers. We wouldn't be able to withstand his glory and power etc etc..!!!!

I guess what I'm trying to say is that everything comes from God the Father. God the Father is the most high. He has all the power, knowledge and wisdom. If you wanted to draw a picture of what God the Father looks like you would outline a spirit on a piece of paper, a picture of what a spirit looks like. Inside the lines, you would write the words Spirit, Glory, Grace, Power, Knowledge, Omnipotent Omniscient, Omnipresent, Word. But in reality God the Father has no lines to draw inside of, does that make sense. God the Father's power and etc. is over and above all things. We are indwelled by all three, all three meaning God the Father's grace/characteristics, His Holy Spirit, and his Word/Jesus. His grace and characteristics are in the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is inside Jesus. It's safe to say that we are saved by grace, but we are indwelled by only two deities. The third isn't a deity because it is God the Father himself that saved us through grace. The heavenly characteristics that I mentioned come from God the Father and his Holy Spirit. It's quite amazing how it's connected so beautifully.

Trinity 101, we have now advance to 1st grade, ha. ;)

What I see you doing is what we all do at times. Try to wrap our little heads(mine included!) around the oneness yet three distinct persons. You can rightfully proclaim that God the Father raised Jesus, but I can rightfully claim that the Spirit raised Jesus! And I can rightfully claim that Jesus raised Himself!

God the Father did raise Jesus, he has all the power remember. The spirit raised Jesus?/well isn't God the Father a spirit with all the power? And how could Jesus raise himself when he is powerless without God the Father?

 

[gr8grace]

Disagree? but that's precisely what I said, the Father doesn't send himself. He sends his spirit/holy spirit..


I guess what I'm trying to say is that everything comes from God the Father. God the Father is the most high. He has all the power, knowledge and wisdom. If you wanted to draw a picture of what God the Father looks like you would outline a spirit on a piece of paper, a picture of what a spirit looks like. Inside the lines, you would write the words Spirit, Glory, Grace, Power, Knowledge, Omnipotent Omniscient, Omnipresent, Word. But in reality God the Father has no lines to draw inside of, does that make sense. God the Father's power and etc. is over and above all things. We are indwelled by all three, all three meaning God the Father's grace/characteristics, His Holy Spirit, and his Word/Jesus. His grace and characteristics are in the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is inside Jesus. It's safe to say that we are saved by grace, but we are indwelled by only two deities. The third isn't a deity because it is God the Father himself that saved us through grace. The heavenly characteristics that I mentioned come from God the Father and his Holy Spirit. It's quite amazing how it's connected so beautifully.

Trinity 101, we have now advance to 1st grade, ha. ;)



God the Father did raise Jesus, he has all the power remember. The spirit raised Jesus?/well isn't God the Father a spirit with all the power? And how could Jesus raise himself when he is powerless without God the Father?

Hi Urk,

I am reluctant to start separating the Trinity to that degree. I am comfortable with my understanding and hope in the future to know more.

John 10:18:No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

 

[Free]

It doesn't.

Think of the trinity as your Mind-body-spirit. Are you the same person?

Think of how people see you. Your mom, your wife, your enemy? Are you thesame person?

The triangle is the first shape where if you change one side, all elsechanges with it. If you improve your mind. body, or spirit the others follow.

Think of perceptive, or experiences as the angles, they all add up to one360 circle back to Christ.

The problem I see is this: who Jesus is is absolutely central to salvation. He is the central figure of the entire Bible. The NT shows that he is God and that fits the overall narrative of the OT. We must also recognize that the NT refers to him as the Son.

But once we acknowledge that he is God and that he is the Son of the Father, we must immediately delineate the relationship of the Son to the Father. A son cannot be his own father nor a father his own son. This brings us to a binity at the very least.

I find it quite problematic to think that one can believe Jesus is whomever they want him to be and be saved.

 

[Guest]

Free, you were the one that gave me revelation that the Father cannot be the son. Blessings to you, I apologize if I came off strong earlier. For an unbeliever it can be as simple as..

But once we acknowledge that he is God and that he is the Son of the Father

Wonderfully said.

 

[for_his_glory]

urk you said: Don't forget that 'bring to life again' is also in the definition of resurrection. Your missing the other part of the definition, he does resurrect your flesh. Your old flesh was sinful, now your flesh is a holy vessel. In a way yes, Christ does resurrect himself in us. He resurrects his characteristics in us..love, mercy, peace, strength, wisdom, guidance etc etc etc...characteristics from a heavenly order.

Let me address the second part first. What you are speaking of here in Christ resurrecting himself in us is actually the fruits of the Spirit, Galatians 5:7-25, given to us by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit as it is the Holy Spirit that renews our inner man or another word our spirit. God does not resurrect our flesh, but His Holy Spirit renews our spirit for flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God as our carnal mind (fleshly mind) is enmity, which means a hostile enemy against God, Romans 8:6-8 John 9:31. Jesus was teaching Nicodemus that it was a Spiritual rebirth or renewal of our spirit in John 3:5 that through Gods word and His Spirit we can reconcile our past sins through repentance to be made righteous before Him and that only happens through Jesus as being the only way to the Father as we confess with our mouth and believe in our heart that that God raised Him from the dead we will be saved, John 10:9; 1:14; 14:6; Romans 10:9,10.

Sin separates us from God because God is a spirit and can only recognize his own children by what spirit is living in their hearts. We have to renew, rebirth - born again, Gods Spirit within us in order to be called a child of God and see the kingdom of heaven. We now put off the old man (flesh) and put on the new man (Spirit). We are renewed by the word of God and through the Holy Spirit teaching us of all things, John 14:26; Colossians 3:1-17. We are to crucify this flesh daily so will will not walk in the lust of it, Galatians 5:24.

We now have an intercessor (Jesus) who sits at the right hand of the Father and hears our confession that we are sinners and need his salvation as we believe in our heart that he was truly sent from God as the living word that we can indeed become righteous again not of our own righteousness, but that righteousness that is God whom through his Spirit is promised to dwell in us by Gods grace, Ephesians 2:8.. All we have to do is believe and confess that we are sinners and allow Gods righteousness to cleanse us and renew our spirit man. Jesus wants us to come as we are and allow him to make the changes that need made in our hearts. People want to clean the fish before they catch them, but Jesus says come as you are I will clean you from the inside out.

 

[Guest]

urk you said: Don't forget that 'bring to life again' is also in the definition of resurrection. Your missing the other part of the definition, he does resurrect your flesh. Your old flesh was sinful, now your flesh is a holy vessel. In a way yes, Christ does resurrect himself in us. He resurrects his characteristics in us..love, mercy, peace, strength, wisdom, guidance etc etc etc...characteristics from a heavenly order.

Let me address the second part first. What you are speaking of here in Christ resurrecting himself in us is actually the fruits of the Spirit, Galatians 5:7-25, given to us by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit as it is the Holy Spirit that renews our inner man or another word our spirit. God does not resurrect our flesh, but His Holy Spirit renews our spirit for flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God as our carnal mind (fleshly mind) is enmity, which means a hostile enemy against God, Romans 8:6-8 John 9:31. Jesus was teaching Nicodemus that it was a Spiritual rebirth or renewal of our spirit in John 3:5 that through Gods word and His Spirit we can reconcile our past sins through repentance to be made righteous before Him and that only happens through Jesus as being the only way to the Father as we confess with our mouth and believe in our heart that that God raised Him from the dead we will be saved, John 10:9; 1:14; 14:6; Romans 10:9,10.

Sin separates us from God because God is a spirit and can only recognize his own children by what spirit is living in their hearts. We have to renew, rebirth - born again, Gods Spirit within us in order to be called a child of God and see the kingdom of heaven. We now put off the old man (flesh) and put on the new man (Spirit). We are renewed by the word of God and through the Holy Spirit teaching us of all things, John 14:26; Colossians 3:1-17. We are to crucify this flesh daily so will will not walk in the lust of it, Galatians 5:24.

We now have an intercessor (Jesus) who sits at the right hand of the Father and hears our confession that we are sinners and need his salvation as we believe in our heart that he was truly sent from God as the living word that we can indeed become righteous again not of our own righteousness, but that righteousness that is God whom through his Spirit is promised to dwell in us by Gods grace, Ephesians 2:8.. All we have to do is believe and confess that we are sinners and allow Gods righteousness to cleanse us and renew our spirit man. Jesus wants us to come as we are and allow him to make the changes that need made in our hearts. People want to clean the fish before they catch them, but Jesus says come as you are I will clean you from the inside out.

Wow!! Praise God for this post. Correct, yes I should use renew instead of resurrect when speaking of flesh. Our flesh is aging and getting older on the outside, but our inner spirit/soul/mind/inner body is growing firmly in the Holy Spirit and in his Word. Intercessor yes, praise Jesus! Yes the fruits and the gifts of the Holy Spirit, Galatians 5:22 and the gifts, wisdom, understanding, wonder and awe (fear of the Lord) , counsel, knowledge, fortitude, and piety (reverence). - Always remember though, gifts are given but the 'fruit' of the spirit, on the other hand, is the expression of our renewed nature as it is seen by others through time. Blessings everyone, you guys are making urk very happy!

 

[Arch Angle]

The problem I see is this: who Jesus is is absolutely central to salvation. He is the central figure of the entire Bible. The NT shows that he is God and that fits the overall narrative of the OT. We must also recognize that the NT refers to him as the Son.

But once we acknowledge that he is God and that he is the Son of the Father, we must immediately delineate the relationship of the Son to the Father. A son cannot be his own father nor a father his own son. This brings us to a binity at the very least.

I find it quite problematic to think that one can believe Jesus is whomever they want him to be and be saved.

Yes, Jesus is the focus point. The trinity serves that indever of man. Like the "cross" served in our salvation, but Jesus is the central focus. From a distance, we see a cross. As we move in we see the figure. Closer still, seen not with eyes, but with mind, the cross disappears and the Christ is the only focal point.

We do not have to delineate that at all. That is a earth bound view. I mean you can if you so chose, but "we all" don't have to make that delineation. And it is ok that you don't. I don'thave to delineate the father from the son anymore than I have to delineate walking from legs. I see them as the same "event"linked to this earth.

So the trinity helps me understand how the mind, body, and spirit, work as one. The bible tells us we are in his image. So maybe we are? Jesus taught threw parables, so the trinity is a parable of sorts.

Yes, I agree, we have to be careful. It is balance. We don't want to be so inflexible that some lambs are locked out, and yet, not so flexible that some foxes get to the hen house. Jesus will have to be the judge Iguess.

Jesus showed us to teach. What is teaching? The goal is Christ, but look to the bible and see how he taught.

 

[Deborah13]

It doesn't.

Think of the trinity as your Mind-body-spirit. Are you the same person?

Think of how people see you. Your mom, your wife, your enemy? Are you thesame person?

The triangle is the first shape where if you change one side, all elsechanges with it. If you improve your mind. body, or spirit the others follow.

Think of perceptive, or experiences as the angles, they all add up to one360 circle back to Christ.

I personally believe that we are body, soul, and spirit however we are not like the Holy Trinity.
Jesus is a person. He is God.
Holy Spirit is a person. He is God
Father is a person. He is God

When you mention the triangle are you thinking of the Hebrew number three?

 

[Deborah13]

So the trinity helps me understand how the mind, body, and spirit, work as one. The bible tells us we are in his image. So maybe we are? Jesus taught threw parables, so the trinity is a parable of sorts.

Yes, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are in perfect unity.
Man however needs to be sanctified. I believe that the more we walk in the Holy Spirit we will become more like Him in our minds (renewed minds). However, I do not believe we can change our spirit, only God can do that. Our spirit is either dead in sin or alive in Christ. You must be born again of the Spirit. When we respond in faith to the grace of God and are born again the Holy Spirit indwells us and we are made a new creature.

 

[farouk]

It's good to read John's Gospel, especially chapters 13 - 17, about the three Persons of the Trinity. Also John's First Epistle.

 

[Guest]

I personally believe that we are body, soul, and spirit however we are not like the Holy Trinity.
Jesus is a person. He is God.
Holy Spirit is a person. He is God
Father is a person. He is God

Interesting Deb, you have me thinking here. Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God deity from God the Father. The power, glory and wisdom all come and start with God the Father. His power, glory and wisdom are what separate God from God deity. Rather the Father is a spirit with all the power, glory and wisdom. The Holy Spirit is not a person rather a spirit that is from/of God the Father. The Holy Spirit is the very nature, presence and expression of God's power actively working in His servants. A person and a spirit are two different things. A spirit doesn't require a bodily form. It's safe to say that the Holy Trinity is God himself Spirit/power, glory, wisdom, God Spirit deity and God Flesh deity.