The Holy Trinity vs. Salvation

[Guest]

If only the Father has all the power/glory/wisdom, then that is polytheism, not trinitarianism.

Sorry, not sure how to say this. All the power/glory/wisdom comes from God the Father.

 

[EdenBorn]

You said: "There is nothing to be gained out of Christianized Greek philosophy, which in retrospect, is what the trinity is even if it happens to be true in Scripture. "

P1 There is nothing to be gained out of Christianized Greek philosophy.
P2 The Trinity is Christianized Greek philosophy.
C1 Therefore, there is nothing to be gained from the Trinity.

It sure looks like I have not presented a straw man and that my point stands.

I am Roman Catholic. Not to beat a dead horse or anything, or transgress the rules of debate on here, but the Church is the one who put forth the theology to begin with. What I am taught is the correct observation of the Godhead by traditional standards, and though a non-belief in the Trinity may be an indication of ignorance, it is most definitely not a condition for salvation. It is the object of Christ, not the metaphysical concept, that matters.

 

[Guest]

and though a non-belief in the Trinity may be an indication of ignorance, it is most definitely not a condition for salvation.

What do you mean by non-belief? Are you referring to an atheist or a believer having non-belief? It isn't a condition for salvation, but as a believer we should have a better understanding of what the Holy Trinity represents, mainly because of God the Father. Whatever you and Free are disagreeing about can be fixed by comparing your ideas of who God the Father is. There's nothing worse than two saved Christians in Christ disagreeing over something that can be easily fixed.

 

[Free]

I am Roman Catholic. Not to beat a dead horse or anything, or transgress the rules of debate on here, but the Church is the one who put forth the theology to begin with. What I am taught is the correct observation of the Godhead by traditional standards, and though a non-belief in the Trinity may be an indication of ignorance, it is most definitely not a condition for salvation. It is the object of Christ, not the metaphysical concept, that matters.

But as soon as you mention "it is the object of Christ," you must define what you mean, to whom you are referring. Either he is the God-man or he is not. Who he is is central to salvation. How could it be otherwise?

 

[Guest]

Felix, since you know who God the Father is, what does he look like and feel like?

 

[JCitoL]

I have a really good question everyone, possibly a groundbreaking revelation. Help me out with this one. Regardless if we think that the Holy Trinity is One God manifesting himself into three different ways or One God manifesting himself into three different persons, at the end of the day why does that matter as long as our way to salvation is the same. Romans 10:9 - What is your belief on how to obtain salvation in this lifetime, to be born again of the Holy Spirit and His Word? Think about it, is people's confusion about the Holy Trinity stopping them from obtaining salvation? It has been debated upon and fought over throughout the centuries of who God, the Holy Spirit and Jesus are. Regardless if we think that Oneness Trinity or Non-Oneness is true, does it even matter if we don't even know what salvation is?

the Father is the God - the single Administrator of the whole boundless universe, the Son is the only Lord - Jesus Christ Who is the assistant-Administrator of the universe, the Holy Spirit is just the joint remote/distant operation/work of (both) God and Jesus - that's all about "the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit", and with regard to the unity and the trinity as a determinant factor in the faith, there is no difference as a general rule in whether the faith is in the true God, or in the true God Father and the true Lord Jesus Christ, because Jesus Christ is an integral part of the true God, but the faith in the Lord definitely is a greater advantage, of course if it(the faith) is right, so there is no anything more important than the salvation, otherwise the true God would have been (quite) vain for all millennia until now

Blessings

 

[Guest]

Coffin - Body
Mummy - Mind/Spirit/Soul
Secure Lock - Inheritance in Heaven

Take a picture of any mummy inside a coffin with a secure lock. Ok, now say your living in sin and walking this earth. What's inside your body? Your mind/spirit/soul! The mummy that's inside your body is your mind/spirit/soul dead to God and alive in sin. Well, when we believe that Jesus is our Lord and Savior, God the Father fills up the coffin/our body with his Holy Spirit and his Word until redemption/death. The tables are now reversed. You are now alive in God and dead to sin. The secure lock that God is using is the promise of our inheritance in Heaven. The coffin is your body and God is the one that's putting the lock on the coffin. The mummy that's inside the coffin is no longer a mummy. Your mind/spirit/soul are now alive in God! God the Father fills the inside of the coffin/your body with the Holy Spirit and his Word! in which these things are now eternal! This is the good news and the gift of salvation!!

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[JCitoL]

yes, God saves us through His Spirit - the Holy One, but there was also a possibility the bodies of some Saints to stay in graves for a certain time

Daniel 12:2 "many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.",

Matthew 27:52-53 "the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."

Blessings