Joel osteen

[kevinmaynard]

http://www.episcopalchurch.org/parish/trinity-episcopal-church-vero-beach-fl

that church is on one of the routes I read meters on and its a starting place(one of my favorite routs and the quickest finished). I wondered what they teach as I heard the rumour and I remember the split. so I checked them out, I found nothing bad, I thought I was wrong until I talked a member of its sister church that broke away years ago and he walked me through the past stories.

I guess I don't understand. I thought you meant Lakewood here in Houston.

 

[Eugene]

Welcome to CF.net dear Brother Kevin. The reason there are so many churches or separate divisions in the body of Christ is our different personalities and stages of growth. We should all rejoice when our brethren are being fed in the word of God to the extent they're able to take in for the moment. Paul put it like this in Philippians 1:18 "What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice."

The present assembly I now attend when I'm able is not my first rodeo either; I am the labor of love of God as He works in me to will and to do of His good pleasure, and He isn't done with me yet. Philippians 2:13.

Delight in the blessings you receive through Joel's ministry thanking God as you grow in grace and knowledge of our Lord, and I also hope we here at this forum can also encourage and edify your spiritual walk as we fellowship one with the other in Jesus' name.

 

[kevinmaynard]

Fair enough. Can I ask you a favor? You seem to know Joel's teachings quite well. Would you agree that the meat of the teaching of our Lord is how to obtain salvation? The only sermons of Joel that I have ever seen are simply self-help, feel good guides. I can read the same in any secular bookstore. Would you please post a link of one of Joel's sermons telling me what is necessary for my salvation?

I can only say that what he teaches for salvation is to accept Christ into your heart, and that is what we learn at Lakewood. I don't know of any specific link other than the one to the churches website.

We also, learn that just going through the motions, however, isn't salvation. We need to act and volunteer, and live a good life.

http://www.lakewoodchurch.com/Pages/Home.aspx

 

[jasoncran]

I guess I don't understand. I thought you meant Lakewood here in Houston.

I meant that any false church can be that deceptive and you wouldn't know it. im sure if they posted here we at first wouldn't know they are that way unless they revealed their hand.

 

[jasoncran]

I can only say that what he teaches for salvation is to accept Christ into your heart, and that is what we learn at Lakewood. I don't know of any specific link other than the one to the churches website.

We also, learn that just going through the motions, however, isn't salvation. We need to act and volunteer, and live a good life.

http://www.lakewoodchurch.com/Pages/Home.aspx

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Finally, to be successful in your walk with God, commit to honor God with your finances. When you commit to give the Lord the first 10% of your income, God promises He will pour out blessings you cannot contain. Tithing is the first key to financial prosperity.

Scripture says, in Malachi 3:10, “Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the LORD Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and

while I don't see much difference here then what my pastor might say on tithing.

 

[kevinmaynard]

while I don't see much difference here then what my pastor might say on tithing.

See we get a bad wrap at Lakewood.

 

[jasoncran]

http://www.lakewoodchurch.com/Pages/Pathway/jesus.aspx

But where I disagree is that he came to give us abundant life, jesus never said we would be rich, healthy etc if we served him. my pastor and my church doctrine does line up with somethings that some call the prosperty gospel but we teach what is called holiness and that you might suffer sickness and death for the lord,or he might allow it. he also seems to say only his church. why is that?

 

[Charlotte L]

I don't care for Joel Osteen, either. In my opinion, he is leading people to believe they can get to heaven on doing good, which is wrong. We can only get to heaven through repentance, confession, and accepting Jesus Christ into our hearts as our personal Savior. The numbers of a church do not matter. What matters is how many of those have a personal, intimate relationship with God. It's not a contest to see who has the largest church or who can get on TV. As a Christian, we have a job to tell others the truth about Jesus Christ and how they can accept Him as there personal Savior. Just my opinions........

 

[kevinmaynard]

But where I disagree is that he came to give us abundant life, jesus never said we would be rich, healthy etc if we served him. my pastor and my church doctrine does line up with somethings that some call the prosperty gospel but we teach what is called Iand that you might suffer sickness and death for the lord,or he might allow it. he also seems to say only his church. why is that?

I think you miss understand the message. Joel doesn't say everyone should expect to be rich. He says to not let the world get you down. That you can overcome. That God can deliver you from your debt. You don't have to despair you have a low paying job. To look to the future with hope.

 

[kevinmaynard]

I don't care for Joel Osteen, either. In my opinion, he is leading people to believe they can get to heaven on doing good, which is wrong. We can only get to heaven through repentance, confession, and accepting Jesus Christ into our hearts as our personal Savior. The numbers of a church do not matter. What matters is how many of those have a personal, intimate relationship with God. It's not a contest to see who has the largest church or who can get on TV. As a Christian, we have a job to tell others the truth about Jesus Christ and how they can accept Him as there personal Savior. Just my opinions........

You miss understand the message. He says faith with out works is dead. That how will anyone know Christ saved you if you go right back out to the bar, and treat people poorly, and have a bad attitude. That is the truth. Christians are the ambassadors for Jesus. If we live a poor life we reflect poorly on him.

We have a large church because 5 million people live here in Houston.

 

[jasoncran]

I think you miss understand the message. Joel doesn't say everyone should expect to be rich. He says to not let the world get you down. That you can overcome. That God can deliver you from your debt. You don't have to despair you have a low paying job. To look to the future with hope.

,that's the problem. what if you are from the poor nations? what about if you like your job and are content? I know a lady who honestly did this and said even if LOOSE money when my kids graduate high school I will go back into fish farming. she did just that. she did loose some money but she doesn't buy much things. low pay is a perspective. im NOT against working hard and well climbing the latter but there has to be a balance. in today's world if you really want to climb the latter ONE must cheat , steal and lie , rob. does he preach against that?my pastor believes in tithing and so forth, teaching malachi but doesn't drive a new vehicle. both his cars have over 200k miles on them.

 

[kevinmaynard]

,that's the problem. what if you are from the poor nations? what about if you like your job and are content? I know a lady who honestly did this and said even if LOOSE money when my kids graduate high school I will go back into fish farming. she did just that. she did loose some money but she doesn't buy much things. low pay is a perspective. im NOT against working hard and well climbing the latter but there has to be a balance. in today's world if you really want to climb the latter ONE must cheat , steal and lie , rob. does he preach against that?my pastor believes in tithing and so forth, teaching malachi but doesn't drive a new vehicle. both his cars have over 200k miles on them.

He doesn't disparage those who are happy with their occupation. He is speaking to people who feel down about their situation. Many people feel depressed they lost their job, and have debt. That they aren't where they want to be in life. He is saying that with the lord they can get to where they will be happy, not that they will be rich.

Yes he preaches one should not lie cheat and steal.

 

[kevinmaynard]

I can only give my own testimony. I was down because I had to take a job in retail. I didn't make much money. I didn't stop sending out resumes, and I started a great new job for an oil company this week. Now I have a regular 9 to 5 job with Sundays off, and make double the pay. I just had to have a positive attitude and faith that if God would deliver the right opportunity. It took over a year, but It did happen.

 

[jasoncran]

that is NOT what he said in that.

Jesus came that we might have a more abundant life. He came to carry our weaknesses, our sickness, our pain, so that we can walk in total freedom, peace, power and purpose

and given

God desires for you to be the most blessed and most prosperous in the land, that we prosper in our homes, relationships and in health. Make sure you work with God and allow His door of favor and provision to open like a flood by putting actions to your faith through giving

total freedom? that ONLY will happened when we die. god allows us to suffer. we do have trials for his GOOD reasons. we often have pain to remind us that he is god, to build our character, to show others that god is real when we are at peace when the situation doesn't dictate that. really? so how does one climb the latter then with his ideas? it can be done yes but you will be forced to make a choice. lie and loose that job or be honest and sometimes loose money. second quote is false. god doesn't say in his word would be the most rich in this land. he did say to the isrealites that if they followed his Law they would be blessed. we aren't under that torah now. that doesn't mean the torah is negated just that promise was to isreal then. we are his church, we are his people. yes im sure you will say that the promises of Abraham apply to us thus deutermony 28 and that quote would as well but your forgot that the curses would to as well.

 

[Deborah13]

At Lakewood? I am not sure what you mean. We have no gay preachers at lakewood.

Hi Kevin, welcome, glad to have you here and your input.
Jason, lives in FL, one of the gay capitals of the world.

 

[Deborah13]

I can only give my own testimony. I was down because I had to take a job in retail. I didn't make much money. I didn't stop sending out resumes, and I started a great new job for an oil company this week. Now I have a regular 9 to 5 job with Sundays off, and make double the pay. I just had to have a positive attitude and faith that if God would deliver the right opportunity. It took over a year, but It did happen.

That's awesome. Our Lord supplies all of our needs, sometimes with a cherry on top.
I like your attitude.

 

[jasoncran]

I can only give my own testimony. I was down because I had to take a job in retail. I didn't make much money. I didn't stop sending out resumes, and I started a great new job for an oil company this week. Now I have a regular 9 to 5 job with Sundays off, and make double the pay. I just had to have a positive attitude and faith that if God would deliver the right opportunity. It took over a year, but It did happen.

so have I. I went from 9 a hour in 2003 to 15 an hour in 2013. I make more now but I also work more now. I have overcame much but its not because I gave all the time either, god had mercy on me and did bless me but sometimes it was just plan self application with confidence and the networking along with that. there is some truth to that argument but its a matter of perspective. there is a member here who is a former gale male who went from that to being saved. is he any less blessed then me? no, god blessed him as he saw fit.

 

[jasoncran]

Hi Kevin, welcome, glad to have you here and your input.
Jason, lives in FL, one of the gay capitals of the world.

no actually vero is quite anti-gay. we have killed gays in the past, beat them etc. its not like that anymore but its not like la, or nyc.

 

[kevinmaynard]

that is NOT what he said in that.


and given
total freedom? that ONLY will happened when we die. god allows us to suffer. we do have trials for his GOOD reasons. we often have pain to remind us that he is god, to build our character, to show others that god is real when we are at peace when the situation doesn't dictate that. really? so how does one climb the latter then with his ideas? it can be done yes but you will be forced to make a choice. lie and loose that job or be honest and sometimes loose money. second quote is false. god doesn't say in his word would be the most rich in this land. he did say to the isrealites that if they followed his Law they would be blessed. we aren't under that torah now. that doesn't mean the torah is negated just that promise was to isreal then. we are his church, we are his people. yes im sure you will say that the promises of Abraham apply to us thus deutermony 28 and that quote would as well but your forgot that the curses would to as well.

I understand you are concerned, but I think you listen to his message and want to find the negative. He is trying to uplift the downtrodden. The lonely, the desperate, the poor and discouraged. His message is that life doesn't have to be this way. He does speak the truth when he says Jesus can deliver us from the disease and evil that afflicts us. That there is truly reason to not despair.

 

[kevinmaynard]

That's awesome. Our Lord supplies all of our needs, sometimes with a cherry on top.
I like your attitude.

Thanks. Sometimes it is hard to stay positive. That is one of the reasons I like Joel. When I had to work every Sunday and every evening and couldn't go to church I had the show to pick me up. I didn't go today, but I do plan to start going regularly again.