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Are you saying that John was transported to the future to the actual time when the earth is supposedly burned up? John was on the Lord's day PRIOR to being transported into heaven (1:10). He was in the spirit on the Lord's day (Sat or Sun) when the Lord spoke to him. This was PRIOR to his being...

It is Sunday for most Christians, but it is Saturday for SDA Christians.

John was transported to heaven to see things that were in the NEAR future. It says NOTHING about him being transported into the actual future. An elder that was in heaven THEN was speaking with John. One who does not exist cannot speak because he does not exist. Therefore, the scene is NO...

Revelation 4:2 says NOTHING about John being transported into the future. IMO To say that persons who did not yet exist spoke with John is absurd. edited please adjust the verbiage.reba The respectable thing is to admit that Revelation 4:2 is NOT a proof text for the pre-tribulation rapture...

It is your ASSUMPTION as you have said. After John was caught up to heaven one of the elders spoke to him. The rapture had not occurred in John's day. Yet the elder was there in heaven to speak with John. So how can the presence of the twenty-four elders in heaven be proof that the Church is...

dd You said that the presence of the twenty-four elders in heaven is proof that they were raptured. But one of the elders spoke to John which means that they were in heaven in John's time without being raptured. Hebrews mentions the "glorified spirits of just men made perfect." They were already...

Or maybe I am open to learning.

It didn't happen overnight. It took twenty-five years.

How does John also appear before the throne to speak with the twenty-four elders? Was he already raptured? If you accept the reading in the Received Text, then they are redemed men. But if you accept the reading of the NU Text and the Novum Testamentum, then they are not men. These alternate...

Exactly! “David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them.25 Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there...

I went from pre-trib to I went from Premil Pre-trib to Historical Premil to Amil to Preterist

See Gary DeMar's book "Last days Madness." He is an eminent Partial Preterist author.The man of sin CANNOT be a figure which is to appear in our time. The man of sin was to be seated in the temple that was THEN STANDING (page 324). Paul said that the man of sin "has sat down" in the temple (vs...

Those translations which render the verb "has sat down" as future are incorrect. They reflect the translator's interpretations. There are NO FUTURE VERBS in the text. The verb "has sat down" is an aorist infinitive. Jesus used the aorist infinitive saying, "Before Abraham was (aorist infinitive)...

I thought this is supposed to be an open forum. What specific rule prohibits all from posting here? Thanks!

No!