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Are you taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Wearing the right shoes, and properly clothed spiritually?
Join Elected By Him for a devotional on Ephesians 6:14-15
https://christianforums.net/threads/devotional-selecting-the-proper-shoes.109094/
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What is Election?
This post of Jethro's more than others makes the difference most noticeable. With Jethro, it is the "work" of believing. With Jethro, faith is a work which makes one deserve salvation. He might deny this, but read his post above, it speaks for itself. While he makes a difference between... -
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What is Election?
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he still find fault? For who withstandeth his will? Amazingly, your argument and the argument of Pauls hypothetical opponent is identical. -
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What is Election?
http://christianforums.net/Fellowship/index.php?threads/what-is-election.50948/page-16#post-868429 Hello, ivdavid, the link above was a good post. Jethro, are you interested in answering the questions ivdavid posted? Do you believe that the doctrine of "original sin" is biblical? Is original... -
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Happy to Dash Little Ones Against Stones
Well, I am going to say something very unpopular. It seems my lot. The OP is supposed to have shock value that God would command the death of infants. That might have shock value if we see infants as those cute little bundles of joy and assume that they are without sin, and innocent. Well... -
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What is Election?
Very true. Well said. Your right, God foreknew me, not a group. He predestined me to be conformed to the image of his son, not a group of people. He called me to salvation at a certain moment in time, not a group of people. He sent his Spirit as a seal for me, not a group of people. The... -
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Refuting KJV Only Mythology
Free, if I might jump in here and explain the post by veryberry. It is common among KJV only advocates to claim this verse as the source verse to prove that the KJO is the only proper English translation. It is an argument commonly repeated by KJV only advocates. They view this text as... -
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What is Election?
dadof10, long time no see. I was not going to bother with this thread again, but then I saw your nick. You have been a decent chap in the past and I thought I would return and read what you had to say. If I might raise a methodological question here. I am always concerned about the need for... -
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What is Election?
Good point, the context does not negate this, but supports it. See ya all later. -
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What is Election?
ivdavid, I agree with the post. I also agree with the need to define the term "free will." Generally, the term "free will" is a vague presupposition that people use to approach passages, such as Romans 9. Since they already assume their own concept of "free will" they refuse to allow for... -
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What is Election?
Yes, I agree that Romans 8 and Romans 9 are related, but to me, that adds support to the fact that the election theme is about redemption or salvation. The passage you quote is often called the Golden Thread of Redemption. The of purpose of God in Romans 8:29-30 is that each and everyone one... -
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What is Election?
The passage requires the election of individuals, and that is what Paul is talking about when he mentions his giving up his own salvation for the sake of his brethren, his countrymen. Rom 9:3 For I could wish that I myself were anathema from Christ for my brethren's sake, my kinsmen according... -
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What is Election?
The passage is about salvation. There are Jewish themes in the context to be sure, but the passage does speak about salvation. Rom 9:3 For I could wish that I myself were anathema from Christ for my brethren's sake, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Paul begins the passage with issues... -
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What is Election?
Well Deborah, the word "all" is often a major hang up. Some people require any passage with the word "all" in it to refer to all men everywhere at all times. So many assume that they do not have to demonstrate the meaning of the term by the context and that they can assume that the word "all"... -
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What is Election?
Deborah, I am not sure I understand the question. Why is it a problem for both the Father and Christ to draw men to Christ? In your mind is it permissible for only one or the other to draw? Actually, since the Holy Spirit is the agent of regeneration, I would include the Holy Spirit in this... -
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What is Election?
If I can speak to John 6:44 and john 12:32.... One must be more cautious with the vocabulary in John 12:32. The word "all" is not always intended to be a universal term which refers to each and every person that ever lived. Its a universal term which we use to refer to a limited group. * We... -
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What is Election?
Hello Deborah13, When I spoke of "the same lump of clay" I was referring to Romans 921 Or hath not the potter a right over the clay, from the same lump to make one part a vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor? The context is an illustration of the sovereignty of God over both his creation... -
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What is Election?
Witness to all men because God commanded you to do it. That is reason enough. Nevertheless, how do you know the "guy next to" you is going to hell and there is nothing he can do about it? Do you know who is elect and who is not? I do not make that claim. If God had painted yellow strips on... -
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What is Election?
allenwynne, I am confused why your saying this. Nevertheless, no, there is nothing we do to get elected. That is one of the points I was trying to make in Romans 9. Concerning the term "free will," that is a more difficult subject, and one that I fear will detract from discussing the... -
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What is Election?
Of course its not complicated and I understand what you are saying completely. It is not a new thought. Westley and many other arminians articulated this thought long ago. It is just not biblical. Tristan, let me put it up front that unless we discuss scripture, I am not really interested in... -
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What is Election?
Why would people quote TULIP and then not quote reformed people? Why? It is normally to set up a straw man. The TULIP concept was actually a response to the Remonstrants and their protest against reformed theology. The two different groups had completely different concepts of the atonement...