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  1. Rance-Adams

    Thou Shall not Kill Or Murder

    I'm not kidding you, I'm explaining the principles' of Jesus. Paul stated there was a constant struggle within himself between the Spirit and flesh. When it comes to retribution and violence I have that same struggle. I can't deny the teachings of Jesus as much as I would like to. Were it...
  2. Rance-Adams

    Thou Shall not Kill Or Murder

    Have to disagree, there is no taking the verses I posted out of context. Not even sure I understand your reasoning for making that accusation. I know the context of scripture pretty well. The verses I quoted stand for themselves fairly clearly. I'm not close to knowing everything I need to...
  3. Rance-Adams

    Thou Shall not Kill Or Murder

    Jim Parker - Nope didn't miss them. I'm a Christian and follow Jesus' principles, which are found in the New Testament. The Old Testament is not applicable to Christians when it comes to how we are to live. God's people in the OT were a select few. Today anyone can be a child of God. In the...
  4. Rance-Adams

    Thou Shall not Kill Or Murder

    Scripture does in fact tell us not to use violence and this is not conditional on the situation; thus applicable when being in the presence of someone being beaten or in danger. Our reaction should be self sacrificial not sacrificing someone else. Jesus did not protect the helpless disciples...
  5. Rance-Adams

    Thou Shall not Kill Or Murder

    No, I'm only referring to calling the police in situations where they would harm or kill someone. I would do what I could without violence and would not tempt the police to commit violence by calling them. I will probably be dead because of my interaction of putting my life between the...
  6. Rance-Adams

    Thou Shall not Kill Or Murder

    You're right we shouldn't tempt others; I would not call the law. Your premise is correct and most Christians would call the police yet typically I wouldn't therefore not cause temptation.
  7. Rance-Adams

    Thou Shall not Kill Or Murder

    Jesus never tells anyone to harm or kill anyone else. You are making a fallacious, illogical argument by saying because He didn't say something then the opposite (it's ok to harm or kill) is approved.
  8. Rance-Adams

    Thou Shall not Kill Or Murder

    "I think the OT is very valuable to us for a more complete understanding of many things written in the NT" I completely agree. The OT is just as important to study as the NT. "I believe salvation has always been by grace, through faith, see Abraham" again I completely agree. Teaching...
  9. Rance-Adams

    Thou Shall not Kill Or Murder

    I'm sorry, I don't understand your rebuttal. I don't see how the two verses you quoted contradicted or invalidated my statement. I'm not stating the Law or Prophets were destroyed, they serve a different purpose to God's people today than the purpose for His people over 2000 years ago, the Jews.
  10. Rance-Adams

    Thou Shall not Kill Or Murder

    Did you not respond earlier that the Old Covenant was obsolete? And I thought you were making the point that we as Christians live under the New Covenant. I'm not quite clear on your belief and argument.
  11. Rance-Adams

    Thou Shall not Kill Or Murder

    Yes the OT gives us a picture of God and is a narrative of how He interacted with His people. If we are to live by the teachings of the OT then we should live by all of them. Who is to say which ones we are to follow and which ones we are not. Most of God's morals in the OT are found in the...
  12. Rance-Adams

    Thou Shall not Kill Or Murder

    Exactly, Jesus came to fulfill the Law. God's instructions to His people under the old law was one thing and Jesus coming to live and teach a way for us to follow is a different thing. By the scriptures saying Jesus came to fulfill, then that shows us two different things. Once Jesus...
  13. Rance-Adams

    Thou Shall not Kill Or Murder

    Jesus said nothing, He was silent therefore you cannot infer a command or principle to justify killing from simply being neutral and silent on a matter. That's illogical reasoning.
  14. Rance-Adams

    Thou Shall not Kill Or Murder

    The old Testament is invalid for us Christians to live by. Look at all the laws in Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, do you follow all of those rites and laws as a Christian??? Jesus came to show us a different way to live. The Old Testament is a narrative for us to learn from, it is the...
  15. Rance-Adams

    Thou Shall not Kill Or Murder

    God most definitely changed what was right and wrong from the old Testament to the New Testament.
  16. Rance-Adams

    Thou Shall not Kill Or Murder

    The Old Testament does not apply to Christians, we don't follow Moses or Elijah and the prophets we follow Christ. God spoke to His people through Moses and the prophets, today He speaks to His people through Christ. What God commanded His people (the Jews) in the Old Testament is not what He...
  17. Rance-Adams

    Marijuana VS Pork

    I've never used any illegal drugs or even smoked; that being said: God created this world and the things in it for us and our use. Most anything has good and bad qualities. Moderation is the key. People are prone to different sins, we need to realize what our weeknesses are and avoid those...
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