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  1. ObjMoVa

    God is a psychotic murderer

    Yes, I challenge any religion that claims to know good and evil because of divine command or a holy text.
  2. ObjMoVa

    Moral beliefs

    I'm just asking for a claim that has the possibility to be falsified, like my ball dropping example. Falsifiable doesn't mean that it will be proven wrong, just that there is the potential to do so. The claim the ball will fall when it is dropped is falsifiable because you can drop it and see...
  3. ObjMoVa

    I agree, I'm going to start a more general does god exist thread later. I wanted to start on a...

    I agree, I'm going to start a more general does god exist thread later. I wanted to start on a topic with some grey areas before diving into the big question. Now that this conversation is getting really into the "are supernatural things real" area, it's time for a distinct thread.
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  4. ObjMoVa

    Moral beliefs

    Well we can test the red sky theory. Sailors saw a red sky in the morning. On days with red skies, storms often followed. This didn't just happen once, it happens over and over and the results are consistent. (somewhat, this is a very dated meteorological technique). This is falsifiable as...
  5. ObjMoVa

    God is a psychotic murderer

    Reba, I'm curious as to your answer regarding the question I asked. What would you do? And those moral ideas came from wanting to further ourselves from suffering. Which is totally possible without divine word.
  6. ObjMoVa

    Moral beliefs

    Falsifiable claims showing empirical evidence. I feel that there is no more evidence, real testable evidence not just anecdotes, for the existence of God [Yahweh] as there is for many many other gods. I'm often told to prove that God does not exist, but this is trying to prove a negative which...
  7. ObjMoVa

    Moral beliefs

    I have yet to be shown compelling evidence for the existence of the supernatural.
  8. ObjMoVa

    Moral beliefs

    Oh, trust me Gary I don't believe they are in Heaven at all. I'm just pointing out that the reward of eternity in heaven is definitely not a moral construction.
  9. ObjMoVa

    Moral beliefs

    Actually ToB, Humans and animals have a lot to do with each other! In fact Humans are actually animals themselves. We are homo sapiens, which is our specific species. I think the heaven topic is different than moral values. I would be happy to talk about heaven and if it exists in another...
  10. ObjMoVa

    God is a psychotic murderer

    I didn't come to the conclusion that drowning children is bad based on nothing. I'm not arbitrarily deciding that it is wrong. We can evaluate the act of drowning a newborn based on what it causes. Namely the suffering and death of the newborn, who is now deprived of it's potential...
  11. ObjMoVa

    Moral beliefs

    Two males having homosexual relations is hardly comparable to killing a child, at least in my opinion. Yes you've made the same argument as I've made, but the subject of your argument is entirely different. I feel like this really gets down to the meat and bones of what we're saying. We both...
  12. ObjMoVa

    God is a psychotic murderer

    I maintain that moral values do not rely on god's word to hold their meaning. The act of child drowning should be considered an evil thing to do no matter who tells you to do that. Doesn't "child drowning is bad" make more moral sense than "child drowning is bad unless the right thing tells...
  13. ObjMoVa

    Moral beliefs

    Well about 10% of any mammalian species engages in homosexual tendencies. And homosexual couples don't pass their genes down, so if you try to use evolution against homosexuality you run into the problem of why it still exists.
  14. ObjMoVa

    Moral beliefs

    We didn't know why we had a taboo against incest back then, but we did have it. Even in ancient Rome and Greece it was seen as wrong or offensive, before God was claimed to have done so. Our ancestors in the plains of Africa didn't engage in rampant incest, if that practice would have been...
  15. ObjMoVa

    buying and selling

    I sort of disagree with the interpretation only in that the scriptures seem to indicate a transaction between God and us. It doesn't sound like he's telling us to buy/sell from other people, and I think that's what you're getting at with your "right currency" idea.
  16. ObjMoVa

    Hello all. An atheist with questions here.

    Just wanted to come back to this thread to thank everyone for the wonderful discussion so far! I'm really happy with how open most people have been to talk about their beliefs. It's always frustrating to hear "you just don't understand", and I haven't gotten too much of that yet.
  17. ObjMoVa

    God is a psychotic murderer

    Deborah13, sorry that question seems silly because I used Zeus. Let me give a better example. A devout Hindu believes that the Christian is ignorant of the teachings of his faith. The Christian believes that the Hindu is Ignorant of his teachings. The Pagan believes both to be Ignorant of...
  18. ObjMoVa

    Moral beliefs

    I have changed my statement to comply. Sorry, again I'm trying not to break the rules while still being open and fair to all sides. thanks for the heads up Doulos.
  19. ObjMoVa

    God is a psychotic murderer

    That's excellent to hear! I would like to add to that if I could. Since you knew, through your own reason that murder is bad, I would put forth that we can say "murder is bad". That seems like a pretty easy concept. So now what if god tells you to murder someone? Just to make this simple...
  20. ObjMoVa

    God is a psychotic murderer

    Let me ask you this: Are you ignorant of Zeus?
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