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“He went and preached to the spirits in prison”

Therefore, in Hades Jesus soul was “quickened in the sphere of the Holy Spirit, revived and strengthened”. Then emanating the Shechinah glory of God, Christ Triumphant descends to the lowest hells fully protected from all harm, in brilliant light without variation (Isa. 9:2-3; Jas. 1:17; 1 Tim. 6:14-16), proclaiming liberty to the captive spirits in prison.

The people who walked in darkness Have seen a great light; Those who dwelt in the land of the shadow of death, Upon them a light has shined. (Isa. 9:2 NKJ)
Christ kept proclaiming liberty to the captives, to the end of His glorious ministry on earth in Triumph over Satan and Death.

45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.
47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.

55 “O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?”
56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord. (1 Cor. 15:45-49, 55-58 NKJ)
Then Peter returns to the theme of “Christ preaching liberty to the dead”. This time to a different group of unsaved humans, dead folks just like those speaking evil of Christians and mocking the gospel to Peter’s church:

4 In regard to these, they think it strange that you do not run with them in the same flood of dissipation, speaking evil of you.
5 They will give an account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.
6 For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. (1 Pet. 4:4-6 NKJ)
 
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IMHO
It appears Noah was in prison. It appears Jonah was in prison. Those in Abraham’s Bosom were in prison. Those in captivity were in prison. Yet it is those not locked away that perished.

The righteous men on the day of Pentecost were children of those who sighed over the sins of Israel. 400 years in captivity (or in a sanctuary). In Christ.
Those saints with the white robes await their release at the Resurrection.

Death is defeated at the end.


Mississippi redneck
eddif
I disagree. Never is it said or implied that Noah, Jonah or those in Abraham's Bosom are or were in prison.

AND physical death is not annihilation, the people who died in the flood went to hades.


The hybrid human angel "spirits" went to a segregated part of hades, "prison."

The Nephilim (Fallen Ones, Satan's angels) died physically in the flood also, they went to the Abyss (Rev. 9:1ff).

After the Fall, in the "war against the woman's seed" (Gen. 3:15), Satan cast down his angels to the earth to corrupt mankind:

3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads.
4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.
(Rev. 12:3-4 NKJ)

This is during the flood, not in the End Time when Michael casts them out of heaven.

These fallen ones "Nephilim" corrupted the earth, but when the flood came God permitted some of them to return to heaven (Rev. 12:7-9; Eph. 6:12), if they hadn't taken human wives and sired children. All who did that were denied reentry into heaven when the flood hit. They drowned in the flood like everything else that lived. Scripture emphasizes that fact:

21 And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man.
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died.
23 So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive.
(Gen. 7:21-23 NKJ)


Some wrongly believe the exaggeration of the cowards with Joshua, claiming the Nephilim still lived (Num. 13:32-33), claiming they didn't all die in the flood. That is absurd. These "giants" were dispatched by Joshua and Caleb quite easily (Josh. 11:21-23; 15:13-4;), they weren't Nephilim. The Nephilim died in the flood and became "spirits of demons" (πνεύματα δαιμονίων Rev. 16:14) in the Abyss (Rev. 9:1ff).


The "sons of God" who were seduced to leave their proper habitation because of the Satanic-human conspiracy parading their illicit unions (pornography) before the eyes of the "Watchers" 24/7 (Gen. 6:2), were kept separate from everyone else, bound in eternal chains and darkness in Tartarus.

God blames men for seducing His angelic sons (Gen. 6:3).

Humans conspired with Satan against God's edict denying them access to the "tree of life" (Gen. 3:22-24) and living forever.

Humans concocted the scheme, although no doubt Satan played a role---to have women and Nephilim practiced porn before the eyes of the Watchers until some of them "left their proper habitation" and took wives of their own, bearing children.

The theory behind this was simple: Unlike with the Nephlim Fallen Ones, children sired by unfallen angels would be immortal.

Perhaps they would have been if they didn't die physically in the flood. We do know these human souls, because they are hybrid Elohim-human, are called "spirits". Unregenerate human souls are never called "spirits" in scripture.

The angelic "sons of God" were segregated both from Satan's angels, and their human offspring, and imprisoned in Tartarus, bound in everlasting chains.

As for the disembodied unclean spirits of demons and "hybrid humans", if their sins didn't merit casting them into the Abyss, they were permitted to roam the earth in graveyards and desolate places seeking to regain a semblance of corporeality, by possessing insects, animals and men.

I agree with your ending, Death is definitely defeated in Christ:

54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory."
55 "O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?"
56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Cor. 15:54-57 NKJ)
 
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I disagree. Never is it said or implied that Noah, Jonah or those in Abraham's Bosom are or were in prison.
Jonah 2:6 kjv
6.I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars wasabout me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.

Genesis 7:15 kjv
15. And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
16. And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.

Ezekiel 11:16 kjv
16. Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Although I have cast them far off among the heathen, and although I have scattered them among the countries, yet will I be to them as a little sanctuary in the countries where they shall come.

https://biblehub.com/kjv/jonah/2.htm
Luke 16:26 kjv
16. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

Implications?

Mississippi redneck
eddif
 
Eisegesis because not one of the nouns signifying Resurrection appear at this critical juncture.

I thought we were having a serious discussion. :) If this is your argument here, Alfred, then I think you are reaching, and badly. Most scholarship wouldn't take a response like that as being a legitimate one. The word means Death. No offense, but If you need an additional word specifically used for resurrection than one that already means Death, that kinda comes off like... theological obstinance.
And your antithesis, while possible, is heretical. Men cannot put Jesus' Spirit or soul to death (Mt. 10:28), therefore neither had to be "made alive".

And I'm saying neither.

Better leave it. Not going anywhere.
 
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Jonah 2:6 kjv
6.I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars wasabout me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.

Genesis 7:15 kjv
15. And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
16. And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.

Ezekiel 11:16 kjv
16. Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Although I have cast them far off among the heathen, and although I have scattered them among the countries, yet will I be to them as a little sanctuary in the countries where they shall come.

https://biblehub.com/kjv/jonah/2.htm
Luke 16:26 kjv
16. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

Implications?

Mississippi redneck
eddif
Jonah was in the belly of a fish, not prison. Bars are metaphorical. The fish vomited him out. It wasn't' a prison, literally speaking. Only figurative.

The ark was not a prison, it was a big boat.

God "will be to them as a little sanctuary", sanctuary is not a prison.

The rich man was in Hades, not a prison.

Implications? Why not read what I said about the "spirits in prison". I wrote lots, its all true, correct according to the scripture. If you need to translate it into another language, do so here:


Or try Bing's free ChatGPT.
 
I thought we were having a serious discussion. :) If this is your argument here, Alfred, then I think you are reaching, and badly. Most scholarship wouldn't take a response like that as being a legitimate one. The word means Death. No offense, but If you need an additional word specifically used for resurrection than one that already means Death, that kinda comes off like... theological obstinance.


And I'm saying neither.

Better leave it. Not going anywhere.
Claiming my exegesis is "unsupported", when I cited the LXX text supporting it, is not a serious discussion.

And you failed to respond to my simple objection to:

" ζῳοποιηθεὶς is in direct comparison with θανατωθεὶς in the phrase (i.e put to death but made alive). The translation of anything in that entire word group as being simply "strengthening" or "empowering" is a bit of a watering down of the meaning, as there are other Greek words for both. This word group refers specifically to that which is alive, or is made alive or kept alive. Life as opposed to death is what is being communicated by θανατωθεὶς μὲν σαρκὶ ζῳοποιηθεὶς δὲ πνεύματι.
"

That is heretical. You say His spirit was "made alive", where is God the Son in all this? Dead, waiting to be "made alive"

You didn't answer, why? Aren't you serious?

To be clear, I don't say your claim is just "unsupported," a violation of the antithesis, and scripture revelation about God the Son.

I say its heretical.

Let's see how serious you are now.
 
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Jonah was in the belly of a fish, not prison. Bars are metaphorical. The fish vomited him out. It wasn't' a prison, literally speaking. Only figurative.
The fish bones are the bars.
Not just 2 levels on a concept, but you can have seven contexts ob one concept.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
 
That is heretical. You say His spirit was "made alive", where is God the Son in all this? Dead, waiting to be "made alive"

No, I did not, and you are not paying any attention and debating only with yourself at this point, Alfred. Hence why this discussion no longer need be pursued.
 
No, I did not, and you are not paying any attention and debating only with yourself at this point, Alfred. Hence why this discussion no longer need be pursued.

Ok.

But lets not forget this gem:

This word group refers specifically to that which is alive, or is made alive or kept alive. Life as opposed to death is what is being communicated by θανατωθεὶς μὲν σαρκὶ ζῳοποιηθεὶς δὲ πνεύματι."

Words matter.
 
Ok.

But lets not forget this gem:

This word group refers specifically to that which is alive, or is made alive or kept alive. Life as opposed to death is what is being communicated by θανατωθεὶς μὲν σαρκὶ ζῳοποιηθεὶς δὲ πνεύματι."

Words matter.
The Word became flesh.
The Messiah was killed
Jesus was raised from the dead
Jesus became a quickening spirit that knocks at the door of individuals
Inside us we are made alive by his spirit
Christ is interceding for us in heaven t the right hand of the Father
The Holy Spirit leads us into all truth and empowers us to be witnesses
The Resurrection, change, judgement, eternal life, eternal punishment will come.
Much More

If you look around there are folks that have a variety of differing gift areas.
These gift areas do not really battle each other. We struggle to understand each other. We have not yet gone through the last trump changes, so we are not yet what we shall be.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
 
This word group refers specifically to that which is alive, or is made alive or kept alive. Life as opposed to death is what is being communicated by θανατωθεὶς μὲν σαρκὶ ζῳοποιηθεὶς δὲ πνεύματι."

Alfred, I know what I wrote and I know what I meant by it. If your intention is to simply insult posts you never understood, eventually no one is going to be interesting in discussing things with you. Is that what you are after?
 
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Alfred, I know what I wrote and I know what I meant by it. If your intention is to simply insult posts you never understood, eventually no one is going to be interesting in discussing things with you. Is that what you are after?
I bolded the "offending words". I made my point clear. I don't agree or ignore error just to "discuss", discussion is a means, not a goal.
 
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