10-28-2023 Daytona Seventh Day BAPTIST Pastor Ben “What Happens When People Die?” Gen 2;7

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God is no longer bring new revelations. Revelation is still the last chapter in the Bible.

Why would a person believe a lying spirit of the dead?

The voice of Satan "king of lying wonders" to wonder after. God sends them a strong delusion that they might continue to be the lie.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie

Yes, God has no new revelations, but the old ones are not always crystal clear to us, most of the time we get blinded by the world, overwhelmed by our own emotions, or misled by seemingly sound teachings. Take the topic of this thread for instance, the nature of life (and death) is perfectly summed up in these two verses:

the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground (body), and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life (spirit); and man became a living being (soul). (Gen. 2:7)
And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” (1 Cor. 15:46, quoting Gen. 2:7)

Into Your hand I commit my spirit, you have redeemed me, O Lord God of truth! (Ps. 31:5)
“Father, ‘into Your hands I commit My spirit.’ ” Having said this, He breathed His last. (Lk. 23:46, quoting Ps. 31:5)

Traditionally, the trinity doctrine is erroneously extended to the nature of life, that a person is of "body, soul and spirit." But according to Gen. 2:7, body, soul and spirit are not independent entities, it's an equation rather than a triangle - body + spirit = soul. Body is formed first, and the spirit activates the body, consider that our first cry out of the womb. When life comes to an end, body and spirit are separated, spirit returns to God, body returns to the ground, i.e. ashes to ashes, dust to dust (Gen. 3:19). When people die, it's their spirits that will be judged by God, not their consciousness, emotions, personalities, attitudes, memories or intelligence.

 

[JLB]

Where was he?

Paradise; the heart of the earth.

Kept until the LORD Jesus descended down and took all the Old Testament saints to heaven.



JLB

 

[JLB]

Where was he? What is he doing now?. And remember there is a fixed gulf field. between the dead not here and the living


Luke 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

The rich man was burning in hell.


Abraham and Lazarus were kept in Paradise.





JLB

 

[Mr. G Lee]

The rich man was burning in hell.


Abraham and Lazarus were kept in Paradise.





JLB

Hell is the daily suffering we experience in these a earthen bodies of death, shown by aging corrupting. Yoked with Christ the daily burden is made lighter.

Where the corrupted flesh returns to dust or clay and the temporal spirit to the Father of all spirit life .

Nothing left to burn up. Clay does not make the best fire starter .

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Romans 8:19-21King James Version19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

 

[Mr. G Lee]

Paradise; the heart of the earth.

Kept until the LORD Jesus descended down and took all the Old Testament saints to heaven.



JLB

I would offer heart of the earth or belly of the whale both describe the place of suffering. One belly of a whale two in the garden of Gethsemane.. .the heart of the earth

Heart of the earth the blood of the saints Genesis 4:10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground

.Luke 22:43-45 King James Version And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground. And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow,

 

[Mr. G Lee]

The rich man was burning in hell.


Abraham and Lazarus were kept in Paradise.





JLB

The rich man represents the wisdom of this world called "mammon" under the god of this world . . un-redeemed Mankind wisdom opposed the wisdom of God. a series of four parable began in the previous chapter 15 with the rich shepherd and a hundred sheep. A Picture of the gospel Christ the shepherd going after one no matter how big the flock. Then the second demonstration as a parable a rich woman to represent his bride having the light of the candle to represent the light of God's word. Then the waiting Father that some call the parable of two sons revealing the long sufferings our savior our Father in heaven. Then the oil to represent the Holy Spirit. after commending the unbelieving master as having a better understanding of children of light

Luke 16: 8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light

Then they began the dialog of whether mankind could serve two good teaching masters as one unseen Lord. the oral traditions of dying mankind and the living word of God there is no mixing of the two

( my addition as a offering)

Luke 16 ;13-17 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.(wordily wisdom earthy inspired). And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. The law and (the testimony) prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Three times in that chapter. The Holy Spirit used to the law and the the prophets. (Gods testimony. . two working as one) Or Moses used to represent the law and prophets (sola scriptural) the sword of the Spirit God's wisdom alone

I am reminded of the Matthew 4 account the beginning of the ministry of the Father and Son of man Jesus. 40 days in the wilderness to represent the scapegoat After not eating 40 days his mind subject to lying ilusion the temper came and without moving one inch showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the world and all there glory . Three time the Father gave words to His Son the prophet Jesus to rebuke the father of lies as it is written ,as it is writen and again as it is written

 

[JLB]

The rich man represents the wisdom of this world called "mammon" under the god of this world . . un-redeemed Mankind wisdom opposed the wisdom of God. a series of four parable began in the previous chapter 15 with the rich shepherd and a hundred sheep. A Picture of the gospel Christ the shepherd going after one no matter how big the flock. Then the second demonstration as a parable a rich woman to represent his bride having the light of the candle to represent the light of God's word. Then the waiting Father that some call the parable of two sons revealing the long sufferings our savior our Father in heaven. Then the oil to represent the Holy Spirit. after commending the unbelieving master as having a better understanding of children of light

Luke 16: 8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light

Then they began the dialog of whether mankind could serve two good teaching masters as one unseen Lord. the oral traditions of dying mankind and the living word of God there is no mixing of the two

( my addition as a offering)

Luke 16 ;13-17 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.(wordily wisdom earthy inspired). And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. The law and (the testimony) prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Three times in that chapter. The Holy Spirit used to the law and the the prophets. (Gods testimony. . two working as one) Or Moses used to represent the law and prophets (sola scriptural) the sword of the Spirit God's wisdom alone

I am reminded of the Matthew 4 account the beginning of the ministry of the Father and Son of man Jesus. 40 days in the wilderness to represent the scapegoat After not eating 40 days his mind subject to lying ilusion the temper came and without moving one inch showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the world and all there glory . Three time the Father gave words to His Son the prophet Jesus to rebuke the father of lies as it is written ,as it is writen and again as it is written

The rich man was a literal person as well as Lazarus and Abraham and Moses, all whom Jesus mentioned in His teaching.

• The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in hell, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Hell also is a literal place with literal fire that burns and continually torments those who are sent there.

• Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Jesus specifically mentioned literal people and also a literal place called hell in His teaching.


So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
“Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’
“Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ Abraham said to him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ But he said to him, If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ”
Luke 16:22-31




JLB