2 Cor 1:22 and 5:5; what is coming?

[Nathan]

Nathan,

That's why I'm receiving such varied - and confusing - messages from you.

• you are cautious of scholars and their recommendations and personal beliefs. Do you apply the same standard to yourself?
• Lexicons are not designed to give the general idea of a Greek word. They are for providing the specific meaning of Greek words - just life Oxford dictionaries and Merriam-Webster dictionary. Both of these are designed to provide specific, narrow, definitions of English words.

Oz

Very much so I apply the same standard to myself - and so should everyone else!

They may be for providing the specific meaning, but I use them for a general idea. For instance, the English dictionaries give definitions for different words, yet they may not be the same meanings that someone will use the word for. Dictionaries do their best to cover all scopes of word usage, but you have to decide which context the word is being used in.

Context is critical - Context is absolute - when studying the Bible. It is first and foremost a consideration, then the actual definitions after. If you do not realize the context of a word, then the definition is useless to you. This goes for ALL communication - even the communication we are engaged in right now. You may be confused by what I am saying, but most confusion comes from not understanding context - or, worse yet, applying your(the readers) own context to a word used.

 

[FreeGrace]

I said this:
"I showed the verse that says that "it is impossible for God to lie" from Heb 6:18, and then I showed the 2 verses that guarantee that "having believed", one is sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit, for the day of redemption."

And then ignored or scrambled the rest of scripture which refutes your position.

Instead of falsely charging others with ignoring things, how about addressing the FACT that "having believed" is the basis for being sealed, which is a promise for the day of redemption?

If Eph 1:13-14 doesn't guarantee the day of redemption for all who "have believed", then just what is being guaranteed?

We got it.

I don't think so.

Thanks.

You're welcome.

Time to move on.

Not until Eph 1:13-14 is addressed and explained, which shows what is being guaranteed (promised), if not eternal security.

 

[FreeGrace]

Your two beliefs are opposed to each other.

What in the world are my "2 beliefs"??

Just to make sure I did not misunderstand you, I'll ask again. You seem to be misunderstanding me.

I'd say my view is being totally misunderstood.

Do you believe a person who turns away from belief in Jesus as the only savior, will still be sealed with the Holy Spirit?

I've been very clear. Once sealed, the one "having believed" is guaranteed the day of redemption. That answers your question. Which is YES. Why? Because Heb 6:18 says that it is impossible for God to lie. And Eph 1:13-14 is a promise.

It's really not a hard question to answer.

Right. And I've answered it every time it has been asked. Is it that the answer just isn't palatable?

I do not find that someone who turns from faith can still be sealed.

Based on what? Eph 1:13-14 guarantees the day of redemption for those who have believed and have been sealed.

If there are any verses that specifically address the sealing with the Holy Spirit and teach how this sealing can be undone, please share.

I've never found another way listed in the Bible that a person can be sealed. Do you find another way?

Eph 1:13 tells us the ONLY WAY to be sealed. Paul says "having believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit".

How is this not very clear?

 

[chessman]

Untrue

You disagreeing with what I stated does not mean what I stated is "untrue".

The truth is, HIS DISCIPLES (minus Judas and Thomas who were not there on the First Day) did not "receive" the Holy Spirit until "when" John said they did.

John 20:20-22 (NASB) And when He had said this, He showed them both His hands and His side. The disciples then rejoiced when they saw the Lord. So Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you; as the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. ​

You can speculate all you want about when they "received" the Holy Spirit prior. But you've shown no Text that says they (HIS DISCIPLES) "received" the "Holy Spirit" prior to Jesus' resurrection. I'm certain the Apostle John knows more about "when" he "received" the Holy Spirit than you.

All you have to do is show which "spirit" or which "power",from the scriptures, if not the Holy Spirit, that these disciples operated by when the received power to preach

I told you what power they operated by. Just what the Texts said (without your inserting the Holy Spirit into it). Prior to Jesus resurrection, they were sent out preaching by the power of the Word of God. The Word they had at the time. To include Isaiah's prophetic Word.

Matthew 3:2-3 (NASB) “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” For this is the one referred to by Isaiah the prophet when he said, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness, ‘Make ready the way of the Lord, Make His paths straight!’”​

They preached and healed by the power of the Words of God's, which He gave to them.
"Repent ...". It's such a powerful word. The same Word the Jewish leaders had been enlightened by and tasted, Jesus sent out His disciples to preach. Prior to "receiving" the Holy Spirit after Jesus' ressurection.

He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease

Yes He told them to preach His word; Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

All you have to do to support your interpretation of Heb 6:4-6 is answer one lttile question:

Hebrews 6:4-6 (NASB) For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. ​

Do you think the Jewish leaders that crucifed the Son of God and put Him to open shame were saved?

 

[OzSpen]

• For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 1 John 5:7 NKJV

• For there are three that testify: 1 John 5:7 NIV

I made no comment.

Which of these two different versions is true?

JLB

I gave the answer in #272.

Oz

 

[FreeGrace]

I said this:
"The only question is where does the Bible address how anyone who has been sealed can be unsealed (removal of the Holy Spirit).

If you are talking about those who are called to be saints, if they are called to be saints and they have been sanctified by the Spirit, 1 Peter 1:3 I would agree. Paul counted himself the least of all the saints. Eph. 3:8

I don't understand how this relates to my comment.

It is impossible to unseal them since they are chosen by God. Eph. 1:4

And v.13-14 are a promise of God for the day of redemption.

But Jesus said even the impossible would happen if God did not shorten the days of tribulation. Mt. 24:22

Is this really a claim that God will lie and not carry out His promises??? That's what it appears to me. And you've misunderstood Matt 24:22.

And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 Then if any one says to you, ‘Lo, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

Nothing here about God going back on ANY of His promises.

But if you are talking about the church, many will fall away. Mt. 24:10 Or they may be led astray by false teachers who will tell them what they want to hear. 2 Timothy 4:3

Yes, many will fall away. Yet, God's promise is that those "having believed, ARE sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit, a guarantee for the day of redemption."

 

[FreeGrace]

Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. John 16:2

This verse has no relevance to the sealing with the Holy Spirit. Because on the basis of "having believed", one is sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit, a guarantee for the day of redemption. Eph 1;13,14 And it is impossible for God to lie.

In Christ = Eternal Life
Removed from Christ = Eternal Death; thrown into the fire and burned.

No one, "having believed" can be "removed from Christ", since they "are sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, a guarantee for the day of redemption". Eph 1:13-14

If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6

See comment above.

Once you are "in Christ", as long as you remain "in Christ", you have access to the eternal life that flows from Christ.
if you don't abide or remain "in Christ", then you will wither, and are cast into the fire and burned.

I don't believe that God will ever lie (Heb 6:18). And He has guaranteed the day of redemption for those who have believed (Eph 1:13-14).

 

[Nathan]

What in the world are my "2 beliefs"??


I'd say my view is being totally misunderstood.


I've been very clear. Once sealed, the one "having believed" is guaranteed the day of redemption. That answers your question. Which is YES. Why? Because Heb 6:18 says that it is impossible for God to lie. And Eph 1:13-14 is a promise.


Right. And I've answered it every time it has been asked. Is it that the answer just isn't palatable?


Based on what? Eph 1:13-14 guarantees the day of redemption for those who have believed and have been sealed.

If there are any verses that specifically address the sealing with the Holy Spirit and teach how this sealing can be undone, please share.


Eph 1:13 tells us the ONLY WAY to be sealed. Paul says "having believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit".

How is this not very clear?

It is not clear because by your own admission, Jesus the Christ is not the only means of salvation. Yet you say that He is. Therefore, your two statements oppose each other. I personally have never met someone claiming to be a follower of Christ who denied that faith in Christ was the only means of salvation.

 

[FreeGrace]

I said this:
"It requires a large dose of assumption to conclude from any of the verses given for the OSNAS side that they teach loss of salvation."

No sir! Only one warning would be enough to demonstrate that salvation can be lost.

Well then. That would mean that God doesn't keep His promises, which is equivalent to lying. Yet, Heb 6:18 says that it is impossible for God to lie.

But, just to be clear, what is being guaranteed to those "having believed, ARE sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit for the day of redemption"?

What is the guarantee that God cannot break?

I've repeated the examples over and over to you but you're not listening: Heb 6:4-6 (ESV); 1 Tim 1:18-20 (ESV); John 15:6 (ESV).

None of these passages even mentions loss of salvation.

If anyone has ever lost salvation, then both Eph 1:13-14 and John 10:28 are lies. Plain and simple. Because both are promises.

I've given up going around in a circle with you.

Bye, bye
Oz

The circles have been drawn by OSNAS

 

[FreeGrace]

It is not clear because by your own admission, Jesus the Christ is not the only means of salvation. Yet you say that He is.

This is more confused that I thought. Where EVER did i post that Jesus Christ is "not the only means of salvation"??? That is simply a preposterous and very FALSE claim. Either provide the post # for all to see, or offer an apology for your extreme error.

Therefore, your two statements oppose each other.

OK, what are my "2 statements" that oppse each other?

I personally have never met someone claiming to be a follower of Christ who denied that faith in Christ was the only means of salvation.

Since I've never made such a statement, your views are totally irrelevant to anything I've posted.

And it seems you're simply unaware of just how confused your view of my position is.

 

[JLB]

I said His disciples did not "receive" the Holy Spirit before Jesus' resurrection. Which is true, they didn't.

Which I showed from the scriptures to be untrue.

• Jesus empowered His disciples,before Pentecost, to do the works He did, after He received the Holy Spirit. If they were not empowered with the Holy Spirit then what Spirit?

And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease. 2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; 3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Cananite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him.
Matthew 10:1-4

• Judas received this power of the Holy Spirit, along with the others.

• This power He gave to them to witness and preach the Gospel, was the Holy Spirit, before Pentecost.

Furthermore, the writer of Hebrews teaches that those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, which are all references to what happens to those who believe the Gospel, the power of God unto salvation, and receive the Holy Spirit.

If they fall away... is a reference to being an apostate, though it is unique to this verse, it is the context that is irrefutable.

...if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance,

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. 7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned. Hebrews 6:4-8

Then there is the metaphor of "drinking in" the rain, which also refers to those who receive the Holy Spirit, yet produce "thorns and briers".

"Partakers of" in this verse is a reference to "taking in" or "receiving" or "drinking in" or "sharing in" the Holy Spirit, which is for believers.


This admonition is to Hebrew believers who were constantly being persecuted by unbelieving Jews, just as Paul persecuted believers, before he was converted.

The context is about returning to Judaism under persecution, and having no more forgiveness for sins, or being able to be renewed unto repentance.

The writer reiterates this warning again in chapter 10, just as he did in chapter 3.

26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? Hebrew 10:26-29


and again


36 For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise:

37 “For yet a little while,
And He who is coming will come and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith;
But if anyone draws back,
My soul has no pleasure in him.”

39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.
Hebrews 10:36-39



JLB

 

[Nathan]

This is more confused that I thought. Where EVER did i post that Jesus Christ is "not the only means of salvation"??? That is simply a preposterous and very FALSE claim. Either provide the post # for all to see, or offer an apology for your extreme error.


OK, what are my "2 statements" that oppse each other?


Since I've never made such a statement, your views are totally irrelevant to anything I've posted.

And it seems you're simply unaware of just how confused your view of my position is.

You need to go back and look at your posts and responses to my questions. I do not need to apologize for anything you said.

I asked;

Do you believe a person who turns away from belief in Jesus as the only savior, will still be sealed with the Holy Spirit?

You said;

I've been very clear. Once sealed, the one "having believed" is guaranteed the day of redemption. That answers your question. Which is YES. Why? Because Heb 6:18 says that it is impossible for God to lie. And Eph 1:13-14 is a promise.

Therefore, you said "YES" a person who turns away from belief in Jesus as the only savior will still be sealed with the Holy Spirit.

If you turn away from Jesus as the only savior you obviously think there is another way of salvation. Yet you say those people who do will still be sealed.

 

[chessman]

Which I showed from the scriptures to be untrue.

Only if you isert your own personal conclusion into what's actually Scripture.

the writer of Hebrews teaches that those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, which are all references to what happens to those who believe the Gospel, the power of God unto salvation, and receive the Holy Spirit.

Only if you ignore the words in the same sentence that teaches us the answer to who "they", "themselves" and "those" are so that your own personal conclusion about the passage can remain weakly intact.

Hebrews 6:4-6 (NASB) For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. ​

Who crucifed to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame?

Acts 13:26-29, 41 (NASB) “Brethren, sons of Abraham’s family, and those among you who fear God, to us the message of this salvation has been sent. For those who live in Jerusalem, and their rulers, recognizing neither Him nor the utterances of the prophets which are read every Sabbath, fulfilled these by condemning Him. And though they found no ground for putting Him to death, they asked Pilate that He be executed. When they had carried out all that was written concerning Him, they took Him down from the cross and laid Him in a tomb.

‘Behold, you scoffers, and marvel, and perish; For I am accomplishing a work in your days, A work which you will never believe, though someone should describe it to you.’” ​

 

[th1b.taylor]

A believer is someone who believes in the word of God. When I first heard the word, I believed and so I was born again. 1 Peter 1:23

1 Peter 1:23
You have been born anew, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;

Jesus said, 'if you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples'. John 8:30-32 That's what I believe and it's what I continue to believe.

"As he spoke thus, many believed in him. Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.” John 8:30-32 RSV

Re. salvation Jesus said, 'he who endures to the end will be saved'. Mt. 24:13

Those who finish the race get the reward.

2 Timothy 4:7-8 RSV 'I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will award to me on that Day, and not only to me but also to all who have loved his appearing'.

Couple these passages with John 10:28 and you prove Eternal Salvation for those, truly saved which is spoken of in the Parable of the Sower and we see those represented by the seed on the stony ground that are momentarily impressed claiming they believe but they do not have the saving faith that resists Nay Sayers of all kind.

 

[JLB]

You disagreeing with what I stated does not mean what I stated is "untrue".

The truth is, HIS DISCIPLES (minus Judas and Thomas who were not there on the First Day) did not "receive" the Holy Spirit until "when" John said they did.

John 20:20-22 (NASB) And when He had said this, He showed them both His hands and His side. The disciples then rejoiced when they saw the Lord. So Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you; as the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
You can speculate all you want about when they "received" the Holy Spirit prior. But you've shown no Text that says they (HIS DISCIPLES) "received" the "Holy Spirit" prior to Jesus' resurrection. I'm certain the Apostle John knows more about "when" he "received" the Holy Spirit than you.

All you have to do then, is prove from the scriptures that Jesus gave them power from some "other" spirit, than the Holy Spirit.

And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease. 2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; 3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Cananite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him.
Matthew 10:1-4

And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease:

If this power was not the power of the Holy Spirit, then what spirit was this power of?



JLB

 

[th1b.taylor]

Bill,

The Merriam-Webster Dictionary (online) provides this definition of a simile: It is 'a figure of speech comparing two unlike things that is often introduced by like or as (as in cheeks like roses)' [Merriam-Webster Dictionary online 2017. s v simile).

Therefore, it is a fact that Matt 18:3 (NIV) uses a simile, a figure of speech. No matter how much you protest, Jesus used a simile to express the difference between an adult's and children entering the kingdom. Adults are to become as children enter the kingdom. After all, he was addressing adults (his disciples), according to Matt 18:1 (NIV).

Oz

I admit, I do not comprehend your concern, but Jesus spoke to a much simpler people (me) than the super educated (you). He spoke in fact, that even the simple minded could understand and be saved when they hear the message. It's just not as complicated as you and so many want to make it and He did not use a simile, a smile, perhaps, but it is not a thing where one must have a Bachelors Degree to understand. And that I have chosen to believe God just as my children believed me when they were young, please, what is the rub?

 

[JLB]

Only if you ignore the words in the same sentence that teaches us the answer to who "they", "themselves" and "those" are so that your own personal conclusion about the passage can remain weakly intact.

Hebrews 6:4-6 (NASB) For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

Renew them to repentance, clearly means they had repented at one time.


Case closed.

• Partaking of the Holy Spirit, means "receiving" or "partaking of", or "drinking in" the Holy Spirit, as well as enlightened means the true Light of Jesus Christ, giving the light of His Life within a person who was dead in darkness and sin.

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.
Hebrews 6:4-8



JLB

 

[JLB]

This verse has no relevance to the sealing with the Holy Spirit. Because on the basis of "having believed", one is sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit, a guarantee for the day of redemption. Eph 1;13,14 And it is impossible for God to lie.

13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. Ephesians 1:13-14

The "Promise" of the Holy Spirit is for believers.

Those who believe for a while, then no longer believe, are no longer believers, because they have returned to unbelieving.

If you have a scripture that shows us the unbelieving, still have the promise of the Holy Spirit, then please produce it.


Here's my scripture that describes the fate of the unbelieving.

7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things,and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:7-8


Having God's seal of approval is for those who believe.

Those who believe for awhile, then no longer believe, are no longer believer's.


JLB

 

[FreeGrace]

You need to go back and look at your posts and responses to my questions. I do not need to apologize for anything you said.

I asked; Do you believe a person who turns away from belief in Jesus as the only savior, will still be sealed with the Holy Spirit?

You said; I've been very clear. Once sealed, the one "having believed" is guaranteed the day of redemption. That answers your question. Which is YES. Why? Because Heb 6:18 says that it is impossible for God to lie. And Eph 1:13-14 is a promise.

Therefore, you said "YES" a person who turns away from belief in Jesus as the only savior will still be sealed with the Holy Spirit.

Have you not considered what a guarantee means? The sealing is on the basis of "having believed". Not "continues to believe".

The promise of Eph 1:13-14 is clear and the fact is, it is impossible for God to lie, according to Heb 6:18.

If you turn away from Jesus as the only savior you obviously think there is another way of salvation. Yet you say those people who do will still be sealed.

I never even hinted at such a thing. So I DON'T obviously think there is any other way of salvation. The problem is in your faulty conclusions.

The point of eternal security is that God's salvation is promised to those who "have believed". There are no coniditions to maintain, as the OSNAS group maintains.

If one is sealed, that means they "have believed". They are guaranteed the day of redemption. Eph 1;13-14

If one receives eternal life, they will never perish, per John 10:28. The only condition for never perishing is to receive eternal life. And Jesus made clear WHEN one receives (or HAS) eternal life; WHEN they believe, per John 5:24.

God cannot lie. Therefore, His promises are guaranteed. Even the ones about eternal security.

 

[FreeGrace]

13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. Ephesians 1:13-14

The "Promise" of the Holy Spirit is for believers.

Oh, excuse me, but that is totally incorrect. The promise, and there are no quote marks around the word in the verse, is for those HAVING BELIEVED. Even in the English the past tense meaning of the aorist tense comes through, LOUD AND CLEAR.

The ONLY CRITERIA for being sealed IN HIM with the Holy Spirit is HAVING BELIEVED.

So there is no need to twist Scripture to fit your particular brand of theology by claiming that only current believers are sealed.

EVERY believer IS SEALED by means of HAVING BELIEVED. That is exactly what the verse SAYS.

Those who believe for a while, then no longer believe, are no longer believers, because they have returned to unbelieving.

This is completely immaterial to the teaching of Eph 1:13-14.

If you have a scripture that shows us the unbelieving, still have the promise of the Holy Spirit, then please produce it.

When the Bible refers to "the unbelieving", it always means those who never believed. Not those who have apostatized.

If you, otoh, have a Scripture that shows us that those who "have believed" and therefore ARE sealed, can have this sealing undone for any reason, then please produce it.

Here's my scripture that describes the fate of the unbelieving.

7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things,and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:7-8

From the Bible's perspective, this refers to those who never believed. It says nothing about apostates.

Having God's seal of approval is for those who believe.

I'll correct your error EVERY time they are made. The Bible says having believed. Aorist tense. Which refutes your claims.