2 Peter 2:21-22

[George Muller]

Don't you agree that this is the truth we ought to be telling people?

If you look at each of these, none of these warnings are made to believers in grace. The most severe warnings of scripture are to the legalist, don't you think we ought to be telling these people?

If a person is a believer, it is because of Grace.

Every true believer is in Grace.

The New Testament was not written for the world, but for believers.

The New Testament was written to teach believers.

The New Testament was written to keep them from turning to the right hand [Legalism] or to the left [lawlessness].

The New Testament was written to keep the believer on the path of Life, the narrow way, the way that leads to life.



JLB

Yes every believer starts in grace but the warnings of scripture are made to the legalist who turn from grace, back to the law. Ought we not to warn these people of their perdition, for those who look to the law cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

As far as I know there's nothing in 2 Peter to suggest the false prophets who turned away from the grace of God did so by turning to the law. Peter says they left the straight way to follow Balaam "who loved the wages of unrighteousness" (2 Peter 2:15 NASB).

It seems these fallen people simply loved wickedness more than righteousness and like a sow “after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire” (2 Peter 2:22 NASB) went back to what they love.

Yes of course it is speaking of those who turn from the righteousness of faith "the way of righteousness" back to self-righteousness. This is the common warning of scripture, and has the most dreadful results. Balaam "cursed" Gods people, those who teach the law are cursing Gods people. For all under law are under its curse.

Show us 2 Peter/ Jude is about those who turn from grace to law for justification. Make your case.

I showed you where it says they did that for the sake of the love of the wages of unrighteousness.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Don't you agree that this is the truth we ought to be telling people?

If you look at each of these, none of these warnings are made to believers in grace.

How did you miss it?

The person who was washed but who then falls from grace will suffer the SAME ETERNAL punishment as the one who never believed. As I'm showing, washed people need to know this truth.

The most severe warnings of scripture are to the legalist, don't you think we ought to be telling these people?

The warnings to the people who fell from grace to live in unrighteousness for the sake of gain in 2 Peter/ Jude are perhaps the Bible's most stern warnings. As for the people you talk about who depart from the grace of Christ to pursue a legalistic righteousness, they will suffer the same fate as the person who departs from grace for any other reason. The same fate awaits all washed people who fall away from grace, whatever the reason. That fate is the fate of the unbelievers. Eternal damnation, not a temporary chastisement. I showed where this is made plain in Jude.


The eternal punishment of unbelievers awaits anyone who turns from the grace of God they have received.

And turning to the Ten Commandments to be justified is only one reason a person turns from the grace they have received. And hardly a prevalent reason in the church today, though the church has adopted it's own 'law' of conduct through which they seek to be justified before God (church attendance, witnessing, walking in their gift, worship style, etc.)

 

[JLB]

Don't you agree that this is the truth we ought to be telling people?

If you look at each of these, none of these warnings are made to believers in grace. The most severe warnings of scripture are to the legalist, don't you think we ought to be telling these people?

If a person is a believer, it is because of Grace.

Every true believer is in Grace.

The New Testament was not written for the world, but for believers.

The New Testament was written to teach believers.

The New Testament was written to keep them from turning to the right hand [Legalism] or to the left [lawlessness].

The New Testament was written to keep the believer on the path of Life, the narrow way, the way that leads to life.



JLB

Yes every believer starts in grace but the warnings of scripture are made to the legalist who turn from grace, back to the law. Ought we not to warn these people of their perdition, for those who look to the law cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.

If you truly understand what legalism is. From what I have read of your posts, you don't.

Jethro has explained the New Testament version of legalism to you, yet from what I have seen, you think that ONLY means turning back to the Law of Moses.

An example of NT legalism would be, a woman not cutting her hair or wearing jewelry, or no wearing pants...

Only worshiping God on Saturday, not having any facial hair or absolutely not owning a TV set.

These are just a few examples of legalism that do not pertain to the law of Moses.

Likewise we are warned from turning back to an ungodly lifestyle of gratifying the sinful desires of the flesh.

Neither of which involves turning back to the Law of Moses.

Legalism or Lawlessness are both a forbidden lifestyle in Gods kingdom.


JLB