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[for_his_glory]

When the world sees the Holy City descending to Earth out of Heaven and the two Annointed Ones rise from the dead, that is when the World will know fear.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

All this happens after the final judgement in Rev 20 that is called the great white throne judgement and Satan and all who have rejected Christ are cast into the lake of fire. Then comes the new heaven and new earth and the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven where we will be with the Lord forever.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

All this happens after the final judgement in Rev 20 that is called the great white throne judgement and Satan and all who have rejected Christ are cast into the lake of fire. Then comes the new heaven and new earth and the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven where we will be with the Lord forever.

Sorry, but i can't believe that, and choose to believe the Scriptures. Zechariah 14 talks about Jesus coming to the Earth and reigning in Zion, and all the HEATHENS of all the nations will come up to worship Jesus in Jerusalem every YEAR. So then if this is to be believed as Scriptures teaches, then Jesus is here on Earth during a time Heathens are still present on the Earth. So i am sorry, i can't believe what you are saying because it does not line up with Scriptures. Even Isaiah prophesied that God's chosen and sinners are still present together. But there seems to be a teaching today, that teaches when Jesus gets here to reign is when all sinner/Heathens are in Hell, when Scriptures does not support that belief.

Here is the TRUTH. IF what anyone believes contradicts even one verse in all of Scriptures, then what they believe is wrong. Zechariah 14 plainly teaches Jesus sets up His Kingdom on Earth over Jerusalem out of the HOLY CITY while Heathens/sinners are still present on Earth, and they are MADE to come and worship Jesus from year to year. And they have NOT yet been to the Great White Throne Judgment yet because those Heathens are NOT in Hell, because they are still present with Jesus on the Earth and made to worship Him.

 

[DiscipleDave]

The process for creating a New Heaven and a New Earth is the 7 Year Tribulation Period. During this particular 7 years, the poles will shift, North becomes South and South North. Oceans will disappear, Mountains will sink, the Sun blazes HOT, and the Earth will burn with fire, whole cities will be swallowed up. New Heaven and New Earth starts the very moment the 7 year Tribulation begins. AFTER only 7 years, The Earth is NEW and our atmosphere is NEW as well. And Jesus is HERE and the entire Earth for a thousand years will be like that of the Garden of Eden, Anywhere the Holy Water from the Holy City of Zechariah 14 will touch, will produce abundantly and flourish like you have never even imagined before.
The Holy City Jerusalem will indeed come down out of Heaven during the making of the New Heaven and New Earth. Even after 3 years into the process, the Earth will not look as it did before, no maps will be accurate.
Should i believe what God told me, or believe humans and their interpretations?

 

[for_his_glory]

The process for creating a New Heaven and a New Earth is the 7 Year Tribulation Period. During this particular 7 years, the poles will shift, North becomes South and South North. Oceans will disappear, Mountains will sink, the Sun blazes HOT, and the Earth will burn with fire, whole cities will be swallowed up. New Heaven and New Earth starts the very moment the 7 year Tribulation begins. AFTER only 7 years, The Earth is NEW and our atmosphere is NEW as well. And Jesus is HERE and the entire Earth for a thousand years will be like that of the Garden of Eden, Anywhere the Holy Water from the Holy City of Zechariah 14 will touch, will produce abundantly and flourish like you have never even imagined before.
The Holy City Jerusalem will indeed come down out of Heaven during the making of the New Heaven and New Earth. Even after 3 years into the process, the Earth will not look as it did before, no maps will be accurate.
Should i believe what God told me, or believe humans and their interpretations?

Sorry, but i can't believe that, and choose to believe the Scriptures. Zechariah 14 talks about Jesus coming to the Earth and reigning in Zion, and all the HEATHENS of all the nations will come up to worship Jesus in Jerusalem every YEAR. So then if this is to be believed as Scriptures teaches, then Jesus is here on Earth during a time Heathens are still present on the Earth. So i am sorry, i can't believe what you are saying because it does not line up with Scriptures. Even Isaiah prophesied that God's chosen and sinners are still present together. But there seems to be a teaching today, that teaches when Jesus gets here to reign is when all sinner/Heathens are in Hell, when Scriptures does not support that belief.

Here is the TRUTH. IF what anyone believes contradicts even one verse in all of Scriptures, then what they believe is wrong. Zechariah 14 plainly teaches Jesus sets up His Kingdom on Earth over Jerusalem out of the HOLY CITY while Heathens/sinners are still present on Earth, and they are MADE to come and worship Jesus from year to year. And they have NOT yet been to the Great White Throne Judgment yet because those Heathens are NOT in Hell, because they are still present with Jesus on the Earth and made to worship Him.

I stand by what I posted in post #101. I believe Rev 21 makes it very clear when the New Jerusalem is ushered down after God makes new again the heaven and the earth after this present heaven and earth have passed away. If you do not want to believe that which is already written then that's between you and God.

 

[DiscipleDave]

I stand by what I posted in post #101. I believe Rev 21 makes it very clear when the New Jerusalem is ushered down after God makes new again the heaven and the earth after this present heaven and earth have passed away. If you do not want to believe that which is already written then that's between you and God.

i know full well that the Holy City Jerusalem comes down during a period that is referred to as the New Heaven and New Earth. So i agree with Rev 21 even as you say you do too. The issue is, Do you not believe that the New Heaven and New Earth is created AFTER the 1,000 years? That is why YOU interpret that the Holy City comes down AFTER the 1,000 years is it not? However NO Scriptures teaches that. There is no one Scripture that teaches the Holy City comes down AFTER the 1,000 years. This is an interpretation of humans that teach that. If it is not interpretatations of humans then reveal the Scriptures which teach the Holy City comes down AFTER the 1,000 years.

i know what God told me, and the Holy City Jerusalem comes down with Jesus at His Second Coming, the Rapture, the 7th Trumpet blowing. It is during this SAME time that we DO HAVE a New Heaven and New Earth, even as God told me. There is not one Scriptures that is contrary to what He told me.

New Heaven and New Earth is created DURING the 7 year Tribulation Period. You interpret the New Heaven and New Earth being created AFTER the 1,000 years of Jesus reigning on the Earth, and therefore because you interpret the New Heaven and New Earth is created at the end of the 1,000 years, therefore the Holy City must come down at that time. But as i said before, that is your interpretation, NOT what Scriptures teach. No verse in all of Scriptures old or new, teaches the Holy City comes down AFTER the 1,000 years, not one verse. So then tell me if you are able to, what verses have you interpreted to mean the Holy City comes down AFTER the 1,000 years, or is that something you merely believe because that is what you were taught your whole life? Else show the Scriptures which you believe indicates the Holy City comes down AFTER the 1,000 years. Oh and if you can do that, then you will most certainly prove that it was NOT God who told me those things, and will indeed prove me to be a false teacher.

 

[dianegcook]

i know full well that the Holy City Jerusalem comes down during a period that is referred to as the New Heaven and New Earth. So i agree with Rev 21 even as you say you do too. The issue is, Do you not believe that the New Heaven and New Earth is created AFTER the 1,000 years? That is why YOU interpret that the Holy City comes down AFTER the 1,000 years is it not? However NO Scriptures teaches that. There is no one Scripture that teaches the Holy City comes down AFTER the 1,000 years. This is an interpretation of humans that teach that. If it is not interpretatations of humans then reveal the Scriptures which teach the Holy City comes down AFTER the 1,000 years.

i know what God told me, and the Holy City Jerusalem comes down with Jesus at His Second Coming, the Rapture, the 7th Trumpet blowing. It is during this SAME time that we DO HAVE a New Heaven and New Earth, even as God told me. There is not one Scriptures that is contrary to what He told me.

New Heaven and New Earth is created DURING the 7 year Tribulation Period. You interpret the New Heaven and New Earth being created AFTER the 1,000 years of Jesus reigning on the Earth, and therefore because you interpret the New Heaven and New Earth is created at the end of the 1,000 years, therefore the Holy City must come down at that time. But as i said before, that is your interpretation, NOT what Scriptures teach. No verse in all of Scriptures old or new, teaches the Holy City comes down AFTER the 1,000 years, not one verse. So then tell me if you are able to, what verses have you interpreted to mean the Holy City comes down AFTER the 1,000 years, or is that something you merely believe because that is what you were taught your whole life? Else show the Scriptures which you believe indicates the Holy City comes down AFTER the 1,000 years. Oh and if you can do that, then you will most certainly prove that it was NOT God who told me those things, and will indeed prove me to be a false teacher.

Rev.21:3,4
And God Himself shall be with them....
The Full Godhead....
God shall wipe away all tears, there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither any more pain, for the former things are passed away.
This is after the 1000 year reign.

In Rev.20:5,6

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the 1000 years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and Holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection, on such the second death hath no power.
Second death..
If there is a second death, then Rev.21:4 is after the 1000 year reign, which states that there will be no more death.

Rev.20:7-
And when the 1000 years are expired, Satan shall be loosed..
Shall go out and deceive the nations, to gather them together to battle....contrary to no more death, sorrow, nor crying, nor pain...

Rev.20:14,15
And death and hell was cast into the lake of fire, this is the second death.
And whomsoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire, second death...

Then in Rev.21:4
Be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying or any pain, for the former things are passed away.

 

[for_his_glory]

There is no one Scripture that teaches the Holy City comes down AFTER the 1,000 years.

Rev chapter 20 and 21 explicitly shows the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven by God after the 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth. So no, God did not tell you anything as you might be hearing the spirit of error teaching you disguising itself making you believe you are hearing the voice of God. You can not refute these scriptures no matter how hard you try.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Rev.21:3,4
And God Himself shall be with them....
The Full Godhead....
God shall wipe away all tears, there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither any more pain, for the former things are passed away.
This is after the 1000 year reign.

i understand that is what you believe, however Scriptures does not teach it is after the 1,000 year reign. It is your opinion that it is after the 1,000 year reign of Jesus.

In Rev.20:5,6

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the 1000 years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and Holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection, on such the second death hath no power.
Second death..
If there is a second death, then Rev.21:4 is after the 1000 year reign, which states that there will be no more death.

There are many things that happen AFTER the 1,000 years. We are not discussing those things that Scriptures clearly indicates will happen after the 1,000 years, what we are discussing, is where is Scriptures does it teach the HOLY City comes down AFTER the 1,000 years, or that the New Heaven and New Earth are created AFTER the 1,000 years.

Rev.20:7-
And when the 1000 years are expired, Satan shall be loosed..
Shall go out and deceive the nations, to gather them together to battle....contrary to no more death, sorrow, nor crying, nor pain...

Again, i understand and believe this too. However that has nothing to do with WHEN the Holy City comes down from Heaven, nor WHEN the New Earth and New Heaven are created.

Rev.20:14,15
And death and hell was cast into the lake of fire, this is the second death.
And whomsoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire, second death...

True, After the 1,000 year reign of Christ on Earth out of the Holy City Jerusalem, AFTER Jesus, Saints and the 144,000 repopulate the Earth which is like the Garden of Eden for 1,000 years. Then Yes AFTER the 1,000 year reign of Jesus on EARTH (Garden of Eden during that whole time) is when satan is released, he raises his army, and they attack the Holy City, and then after they lose they will all be cast into Hell, After they attend the Great White Throne Judgment.

Then in Rev.21:4
Be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying or any pain, for the former things are passed away.

Tell me something, During the reign of Jesus Christ on Earth for a thousand years, do you think there will be any sorrow, any pain?

What? Jesus comes to the Earth, and reigns for a thousand years, then AFTER that , He creates the New Heaven and the New Earth, and AFTER that is when the Holy City comes down from Heaven.

Tell me, Where do you think Jesus and the Saints live for a thousand Years on EARTH to reign?

 

[for_his_glory]

i understand that is what you believe, however Scriptures does not teach it is after the 1,000 year reign. It is your opinion that it is after the 1,000 year reign of Jesus.



There are many things that happen AFTER the 1,000 years. We are not discussing those things that Scriptures clearly indicates will happen after the 1,000 years, what we are discussing, is where is Scriptures does it teach the HOLY City comes down AFTER the 1,000 years, or that the New Heaven and New Earth are created AFTER the 1,000 years.


Again, i understand and believe this too. However that has nothing to do with WHEN the Holy City comes down from Heaven, nor WHEN the New Earth and New Heaven are created.



True, After the 1,000 year reign of Christ on Earth out of the Holy City Jerusalem, AFTER Jesus, Saints and the 144,000 repopulate the Earth which is like the Garden of Eden for 1,000 years. Then Yes AFTER the 1,000 year reign of Jesus on EARTH (Garden of Eden during that whole time) is when satan is released, he raises his army, and they attack the Holy City, and then after they lose they will all be cast into Hell, After they attend the Great White Throne Judgment.



Tell me something, During the reign of Jesus Christ on Earth for a thousand years, do you think there will be any sorrow, any pain?

What? Jesus comes to the Earth, and reigns for a thousand years, then AFTER that , He creates the New Heaven and the New Earth, and AFTER that is when the Holy City comes down from Heaven.

Tell me, Where do you think Jesus and the Saints live for a thousand Years on EARTH to reign?

I know you are replying to dianegcook, but also wanted to reply to this.

Again you refute Rev Chapters 20 and 21. You give no scripture to show us that of what you believe, why is that? Please give us the scriptures that says the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven by God before the 1000 years.

 

[dianegcook]

i understand that is what you believe, however Scriptures does not teach it is after the 1,000 year reign. It is your opinion that it is after the 1,000 year reign of Jesus.



There are many things that happen AFTER the 1,000 years. We are not discussing those things that Scriptures clearly indicates will happen after the 1,000 years, what we are discussing, is where is Scriptures does it teach the HOLY City comes down AFTER the 1,000 years, or that the New Heaven and New Earth are created AFTER the 1,000 years.


Again, i understand and believe this too. However that has nothing to do with WHEN the Holy City comes down from Heaven, nor WHEN the New Earth and New Heaven are created.



True, After the 1,000 year reign of Christ on Earth out of the Holy City Jerusalem, AFTER Jesus, Saints and the 144,000 repopulate the Earth which is like the Garden of Eden for 1,000 years. Then Yes AFTER the 1,000 year reign of Jesus on EARTH (Garden of Eden during that whole time) is when satan is released, he raises his army, and they attack the Holy City, and then after they lose they will all be cast into Hell, After they attend the Great White Throne Judgment.



Tell me something, During the reign of Jesus Christ on Earth for a thousand years, do you think there will be any sorrow, any pain?

What? Jesus comes to the Earth, and reigns for a thousand years, then AFTER that , He creates the New Heaven and the New Earth, and AFTER that is when the Holy City comes down from Heaven.

Tell me, Where do you think Jesus and the Saints live for a thousand Years on EARTH to reign?

You will find that in Ezek. Chapters 40-48
Pay close attention to chapter 44:2, the DOOR IS SHUT.
New Jerusalem=Rev.21:25, and the gates of it SHALL NOT BE SHUT

Also in Ezek.44:23-25 Millennium Temple
The Zadok, the Elect, shall teach my people the difference between the Holy and profane. (Rev.20:6 be priest of God....)
They shall STAND in judgment, and shall judge it according to My judgments.
They shall come at no dead person (spiritual dead) to defile themselves, but for father, mother, for son, for daughter, for brother, or a sister that hath no husband, they may defile themselves.

These Elect had overcome the false one, and are the only ones that will be allowed in the temple.
Those that have to be taught is outside, they still have mortal souls (liable to die), the Elect have already put on immortality during the first resurrection. Put on immortal souls which the second death hath no power.

Then when Satan is loosed after the 1000 year reign, he will test, try to deceive, the mortal souls. Rev.20:7,8

Then New Jerusalem=Rev.21:22
Saw NO TEMPLE therein, for the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY and the Lamb are THE TEMPLE OF IT.