6-6-6 a Jewish number....?

[Georges]

[size=18Since you refuse to debate me, perhaps you can provide Jewish materials for those reading this thread.

[color=red]There are a lot....you'll have to do your own research, but I will provide some....oh oh....links to those who do have the references you can look up.[/color]

Please show them where Jewish writing ever interpreted eschatology the way you do.

For a start....

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view. ... ology#1227

and....

http://www.hebroots.com/heb_root.html#S ... tivalsBook

Have....there are quite a few messianic websites that provide the details and Jewish references for such...you crack me up...you use the same line as those who say "yeh but the bible doesn't actually say the word Rapture"...

Show them pre-Christ writings of a pre-wrath rapture seven days before a second coming.

Common Pretereist....I've laid out very eaisly in the breakdown of Joel chapter 2 and the Isaiah chapters in conjunction with the Feast Days....I'm not going to do it again.....Once again, the Ancieint Israel wedding steps become significant in the 7 day period....you really are amazing....as I've said, I posted the info for the others, as I've also said, it was a waste of time for you......and posts like the above prove my point....Study the Feast Days and the Wedding procedure, then get back to me.....then you will have the right to tell me where my logic is wrong.....until then.....buzz off, you have nothing of value here...

Who is raptured, Christians or Jews?

If it is prewrath, Believers in Chirst who obey the Torah of God. Techically, Christiany should be practiced like it was with the Disciples of Christ, and the Apostles of the Church in Jerusalem..They were Torah observent Jews... In the future, the 144000 will be like those early Apostles, they will practice Judaism, and they will preach the Gospel of Christ. It is obvious that through them many will be witnessesed to, and by them the tribulation believers will recognize the beast and his mark when they appear. The 144000 Israelite believers, the believers who refuse the mark I think will be raptured 7 days before the 2nd coming.

Who are the 144000 of Revelation?

12,000 vigrin men from each tribe of Israe who love Christ and obey God's Torahl....at least that's what my Bible says....what does yours say? :wink:

Why weren’t they raptured?[/size]

Why weren't they raptured? Because the tribulation period hasn't started yet....was that a trick question?

Geez......typical....haven't met a pret yet that's disappointed me...that's why the debate wears thin......

 

[preterist]

For a start....

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view. ... ology#1227

and....

http://www.hebroots.com/heb_root.html#S ... tivalsBook

I found nothing on the web-site that mentions a pre-wrath rapture 7 days before the second coming. Perhaps you would like to copy and paste it since I obviously missed it. Judaism doesn’t even recognize the first coming so why would they write concerning a second?

Here is what I did find:


The Gentiles who submit to the Law are expected to survive (Syriac Apoc. Baruch, lxxii. 4; Apoc. Abraham, xxxi.); and those nations that did not subjugate Israel will be admitted by the Messiah into the kingdom of God

Is this the "Jewish eschatology" that you believe? Am I to assume you practice the Law? Do you perform animal sacrifices? No wonder you hate Paul, you want to return to the Law.

Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You have had no pleasure.

Heb 10:8 Above, when He said, "Sacrifice and offering, and burnt offerings and offering for sin You did not desire, neither did You have pleasure in them" (which are offered according to the Law),
Heb 10:9 then He said, "Lo, I come to do Your will, O God." He takes away the first so that He may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By this will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:11 And indeed every priest stands daily ministering and offering often the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.
Heb 10:12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right of God,
Heb 10:13 from then on expecting until His enemies are made His footstool.
Heb 10:14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are sanctified.
Heb 10:15 The Holy Spirit also is a witness to us; for after He had said before,
Heb 10:16 "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord; I will put My Laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,"

http://www.hebroots.org/chap12.html#CHAP12

How does Eddie know that Jesus was the Messiah? Does he get it from the New Testament? Or is Jesus even his Messiah?

Little Eddie says this:

If you are desiring to ask the Messiah Yeshua into your heart and life, you may do so by following these simple steps.
1.Pray to G-d in your own words (prayer is just talking to G-d).
2.Confess that you have sinned against G-d and that you are truly sorry for it.
3.Ask the Messiah Yeshua into your heart and life to cleanse you with His blood of atonement.
4.Thank Him by faith for doing this!

Please explain why a Jew would do this? Hello Eddie, Jews don’t accept Jesus as the Messiah. And little Eddie does nothing to give them a reason too. He, like you, is ashamed of the New Testament. So I ask again, why do you believe Jesus is the Messiah if you believe the New Testament is full of errors? Why would a Jew accept Christ if he like you rejects the NT?

Have....there are quite a few messianic websites that provide the details and Jewish references for such...you crack me up...you use the same line as those who say "yeh but the bible doesn't actually say the word Rapture"...

You have yet to show how the OT teaches a pre-wrath rapture 7 days before the second coming. OT Jews would use your arguments for His first coming, not second.

To say you get your view purely from the OT without NT influence is laughable. The OT writers and OT Jews found no such interpretation in the OT. Yet you and Eddie seem to find it some 2000 years later. Why would “Jewish Eschatology†deal with a second coming? They were and now still are waiting on the first one. It is when Messiah comes the first time, according to Jews, that the Kingdom will be established not the second time. Yet you insist they teach two comings. Why not be honest and say you use part of Paul’s teaching to support your Feasts and Wedding scenario? Hate to break this to you but you and Eddie are not the only ones who see the Feasts and Jewish Wedding ceremonies as a type or example of future eschatology.

Here is one from the dispie point of view:
http://www.davidhocking.org/catalog/aud ... udies.html

Here is another from the preterist point of view: http://www.worldwithoutend.info/start/audios/feasts.htm


Sorry to disappoint you but you have not cornered the market on the Feasts and Wedding Ceremonies.

Common Pretereist....I've laid out very eaisly in the breakdown of Joel chapter 2 and the Isaiah chapters in conjunction with the Feast Days

The promise that God will destroy the enemies of Israel....this at the 2nd coming of Messiah.

Joe 2:21 Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the LORD will do great things.
Joe 2:22 Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field: for the pastures of the wilderness do spring, for the tree beareth her fruit, the fig tree and the vine do yield their strength.
Joe 2:23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first [month].
Joe 2:24 And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the fats shall overflow with wine and oil.
Joe 2:25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.
Joe 2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.
Joe 2:27 And ye shall know that I [am] in the midst of Israel, and [that] I [am] the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.
Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, [that] I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Joe 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

This was fulfilled at Pentecost according to Peter:

Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel:
Act 2:17 "And it shall be in the last days, says God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh. And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.
Act 2:18 And in those days I will pour out My Spirit upon My slaves and My slave women, and they shall prophesy.
Act 2:19 And I will give wonders in the heaven above, and miracles on the earth below, blood and fire and vapor of smoke.
Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood, before that great and glorious Day of the Lord.
Act 2:21 And it shall be that everyone who shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

But here is your problem, you reject the NT writers application of OT prophetic texts. I don’t know which is worse, what you do in denying the inspiration of NT writers or what Ice does and re-write what NT writers actually say.
NT writers often quote OT passages as being fulfilled. This contradicts your view therefore you must label the NT as unreliable and say men such as Paul had their own agenda.
I think you and Eddie would be happier if you just renounced Christianity and practiced OT Judaism. At least you would be more honest.

 

[Georges]

You win..... :bday:

 

[Georges]

Just throwing this back in for fresh comments....please read the opening post and comment.

 

[Guest]

6-6-6 It’s a Hebrew thing……..

1. The Book of Revelation is the most Hebraic book in the New Testament.

-Fact: Revelation has twice the amount of Jewish idioms than the other two “Jewish” books Matthew, and Hebrews combined. Matthew (96), Hebrews (86), Revelation (249).

2. The Book of Revelation originally written in Hebrew then translated to Greek.
-Supposition:
1. Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles, John to the Jews.
2. Jesus was a Jew and so was John…Would Jesus speak to John in Greek?
3. The Letters were addressed to Messianic Synagogues.

3. The number of the Beast in Revelation is 6-6-6.

-Supposition:
1. The Beast from the Sea is the Hebrew False Messiah.
2. The False Messiah has a Hebrew name with a Hebrew number.
3. The number of the Beast should be determined from Hebrew standards.

4. The number of the Pseudo (False) messiah is a counterfeit of the seal of the 144000.

-Supposition:
1. The 144000 (Messianic Jews) will be sealed with the name of God on their foreheads.
2. The seal of God will be his name…
3. Perhaps as a precursor, the Hasidic Jews of today use a tefillin while
worshipping God. This is a small box worn on the fore-head of the
worshipper. In the box contains scripture (Deut 6:4-8).
4. On the outside of the Box is a Hebrew letter in the shaped like a W (See the Hebrew letter under my name). This is the Hebrew letter “shin”, and is the first letter in God’s descriptive name of El Shaddai (God Almighty, or Almighty God).
5. The Hasidic Jews also wear a leather strap wrapped around their forearm, wrist, and hand. When wrapped properly, this also forms a "shin".

5. The number of the pseudo messiah will resemble the “Shin” therefore it will be a false shin.-Supposition:
1. The number of the beast will be a false “shin”.
2. The number of the false messiah should be 6-6-6.
3. In Hebrew, the letter associated with 6 is “vav”.
4. The “vav” looks like a staff with a crook on the end of it. Look at the “Shin” under my name….each leg of the “shin” look’s like a “vav”.
5. The Shin looks like 3 “Vav”’s tied together at the bottom.
6. The numbers 6-6-6 should be the letters Vav-Vav-Vav. They can be strung very close together (without touching each other) at the bottom to resemble a “Shin”.
7. The closeness of the 3 “Vav”’s strung together resembling the “Shin” will fool a lot of people into thinking they are receiving the same mark as the 144000.
8. Many people may take the “False Shin” mark because they see that the 144000 (who have the “Real Shin”) have not been touched by the catastrophes of the Tribulation period.



Consider the possiblity.....

The only "possibility" I see is that anti_semetism is alive and well and infecting the Church. :

 

[Georges]

6-6-6 It’s a Hebrew thing……..

1. The Book of Revelation is the most Hebraic book in the New Testament.

-Fact: Revelation has twice the amount of Jewish idioms than the other two “Jewish†books Matthew, and Hebrews combined. Matthew (96), Hebrews (86), Revelation (249).

2. The Book of Revelation originally written in Hebrew then translated to Greek.
-Supposition:
1. Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles, John to the Jews.
2. Jesus was a Jew and so was John…Would Jesus speak to John in Greek?
3. The Letters were addressed to Messianic Synagogues.

3. The number of the Beast in Revelation is 6-6-6.

-Supposition:
1. The Beast from the Sea is the Hebrew False Messiah.
2. The False Messiah has a Hebrew name with a Hebrew number.
3. The number of the Beast should be determined from Hebrew standards.

4. The number of the Pseudo (False) messiah is a counterfeit of the seal of the 144000.

-Supposition:
1. The 144000 (Messianic Jews) will be sealed with the name of God on their foreheads.
2. The seal of God will be his name…
3. Perhaps as a precursor, the Hasidic Jews of today use a tefillin while
worshipping God. This is a small box worn on the fore-head of the
worshipper. In the box contains scripture (Deut 6:4-8).
4. On the outside of the Box is a Hebrew letter in the shaped like a W (See the Hebrew letter under my name). This is the Hebrew letter “shinâ€Â, and is the first letter in God’s descriptive name of El Shaddai (God Almighty, or Almighty God).
5. The Hasidic Jews also wear a leather strap wrapped around their forearm, wrist, and hand. When wrapped properly, this also forms a "shin".

5. The number of the pseudo messiah will resemble the “Shin†therefore it will be a false shin.-Supposition:
1. The number of the beast will be a false “shinâ€Â.
2. The number of the false messiah should be 6-6-6.
3. In Hebrew, the letter associated with 6 is “vavâ€Â.
4. The “vav†looks like a staff with a crook on the end of it. Look at the “Shin†under my name….each leg of the “shin†look’s like a “vavâ€Â.
5. The Shin looks like 3 “Vavâ€Â’s tied together at the bottom.
6. The numbers 6-6-6 should be the letters Vav-Vav-Vav. They can be strung very close together (without touching each other) at the bottom to resemble a “Shinâ€Â.
7. The closeness of the 3 “Vavâ€Â’s strung together resembling the “Shin†will fool a lot of people into thinking they are receiving the same mark as the 144000.
8. Many people may take the “False Shin†mark because they see that the 144000 (who have the “Real Shinâ€Â) have not been touched by the catastrophes of the Tribulation period.



Consider the possiblity.....

The only "possibility" I see is that anti_semetism is alive and well and infecting the Church. :

Been festering for 2000 years.....almost....and you are right....I'm sad to say.

 

[disruptor]

To be honest, I personally am much less concerned about any "anti-semitism" (whatever that might be exactly) in the Church than I am about the considerable "anti-Christianism" to be found all over Judaism; e.g. here:

http://www.noahide.com/xtianity.htm

"There are specific rules how prayer should be done, rules that are routinely violated (out of sheer ignorance) by Christians......Noachides [that's us, by the way] may not observe any religious holidays outside the rabbinical traditions of Torah -- most especially including such Christian holidays as X-mas, Easter, Halloween, All Saint's Day, Good Friday, Ash Wednesday, and probably even the "new year" (January 1st). Alien religious holidays are forbidden even under the minimum of the Noachide code; these are violations of the commandment against idolatry."

"Noachides must turn Christians away from their idolatry and their disregard of G-d's Law, and must bring all gentiles to a full acceptance of G-d's Law, including the oral Torah and the complete authority of the orthodox rabbis."

"There certainly should be "publicity" and an aggressive outreach program to pull Christians out of their churches"

Does "pulling Christians out of their churches" perchance sound a little bit...Satanic?

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

I feel it is impossible to understand the full meaning of 6-6-6 in Rev. without taking into account the three other occurrences of 6-6-6 in the Bible (as I have mentioned in the 6-1-6 thread). One can't ignore those OT references to 6-6-6.

 

[Georges]

To be honest, I personally am much less concerned about any "anti-semitism" (whatever that might be exactly) in the Church than I am about the considerable "anti-Christianism" to be found all over Judaism; e.g. here:

Here's the problem Mr. D....Christianity should be Nazarene Jusaism, not Pauline Chrisitanity as it has become...If Christianity had developed along the path (as intended) of Nazarene Judaism (as practiced by James, Peter, and all the disciples), 666 would have taken on the meaning as it should according to a Jewish interpretation. We would have a Hebrew copy of Revelation (the most Jewish book in the NT) and the matter would be settled.

http://www.noahide.com/xtianity.htm

"There are specific rules how prayer should be done, rules that are routinely violated (out of sheer ignorance) by Christians......Noachides [that's us, by the way] may not observe any religious holidays outside the rabbinical traditions of Torah -- most especially including such Christian holidays as X-mas, Easter, Halloween, All Saint's Day, Good Friday, Ash Wednesday, and probably even the "new year" (January 1st). Alien religious holidays are forbidden even under the minimum of the Noachide code; these are violations of the commandment against idolatry."

Sounds good so far....Just to let you know, the Feast Days of the Lord should be the only religious days Christians should officially observe. Why? Number one, it is commanded by God. Number two, the Feast Days take the focus of the prophetic events of the 1st and 2nd Coming of the Messiah. To observe the other days...Christmas, Easter, et al takes the focus off the real Christian/Jewish holidays we should be observing.

"Noachides must turn Christians away from their idolatry and their disregard of G-d's Law, and must bring all gentiles to a full acceptance of G-d's Law, including the oral Torah and the complete authority of the orthodox rabbis."

The only statement I don't agree with is the "oral law" statement..but that's for a thread of it's own.

"There certainly should be "publicity" and an aggressive outreach program to pull Christians out of their churches"

Does "pulling Christians out of their churches" perchance sound a little bit...Satanic?

Not at all....I imagine they may consider Christian churches satanic (can't really say that though) in that Christianity have apparently absolved the Mosaic Law. They believe they are saving people by proselytizing.

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

I feel it is impossible to understand the full meaning of 6-6-6 in Rev. without taking into account the three other occurrences of 6-6-6 in the Bible (as I have mentioned in the 6-1-6 thread). One can't ignore those OT references to 6-6-6.

I've taken that into account....been at it a long time...

Dis....did you read my OP completly or are you just going by the last few posts? Just checking....since there have been many...

 

[Orates]

The Real 666 Code

6 Based Alpha Numeric Language Code

A secret Code exists in a language of man (English). Using the Code, you can convert words in English to an alpha-numeric value. Comparing words of like value reveals interesting relationships that have religious meaning.

The Code was hinted at by John in the book of Revelation in the Bible- Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is 666.

There could not have been any human intelligence that influenced these results because of the long time frame and the myriad of influences on the development of the English language.

It is God's secret code to spiritual truth.

The Code is in the form of a progression and is a multiple of 6.
Each line is added to give a letter a value.

A= 6/ 6
B=12/ 66
C=18/ 666
D=24/ 6666
E=30/ 66666
F=36/ 666666
G=42/ 6666666
H=48/ 66666666
I=54/ 666666666
J=60/ 6666666666
K=66/ 66666666666
L=72/ 666666666666
M=78/ 6666666666666
N=84/ 66666666666666
O=90/ 666666666666666
P=96/ 6666666666666666
Q=102/ 66666666666666666
R=108/ 666666666666666666
S=114/ 6666666666666666666
T=120/ 66666666666666666666
U=126/ 666666666666666666666
V=132/ 6666666666666666666666
W=138/ 66666666666666666666666
X=144/ 666666666666666666666666
Y=150/ 6666666666666666666666666
Z=156/ 66666666666666666666666666

The Number of Man

Throughout Jewish history man has been associated with the number 6, from the creation of man on the 6th day to the 6 pointed Star of David on Israel's flag. If we were to give the value of 6 to the letter A and add six to each letter in a progression, we would develop a code that can convert any English word into a value. If we compare words with similar values- an amazing relationship takes place.

Examples:
HELL=222, HADES=222
ISRAEL=384, ZION=384
JESUS CHRIST=906, HOLY SPIRIT=906
SATAN=330, BURN=330, JUDAS=330
EARTH=312, SALT=312

But sometimes there are groups of two or more words that are linked by their similar values and the chance that these links exist are astounding.

A to Z Alpha to Omega. Man is associated with the number 6 and the word God adds to 156 or our last letter of the alphabet Z. Jesus said I am the Alpha and Omega the Beginning and the End- Man and God.

Observe these amazing links:

Jesus=444, Joshua=444, Y'Shua=444, Messiah=444, GodSon=444, Cross-444, JHVH God=444, Great I Am=444, Gospel=444, Beauty=444, Energy=444, Bible Faith=444, Bible Hope=444

Virgin=474, Mother=474

Mother Mary=816, Virgin Birth=816

Eternal=450, Lord God=450, Lamb of God=450, Suffer=450

Golgotha=450, Crucify=450, Violence=450

Church=366, Miracle=366

Holy Church=726, Poverty=726

Jesus Christ=906, Baby Poverty=906

Redeemer=438, Crown=438, Kingdom=438, Anoint=438, Children=438, Patience=438, Sacrifice=438, Paradise=438, Alleluia=438.

Christian=462, Repentance=462, Holiness=462.


One of the more interesting links is related to John's 666 prophecy.

Mark of Beast=666, Witchcraft=666, Holy Rome=666, New York=666, Kissinger=666, Computer=666, Santa Claus=666, America Church=666, Laodicea Church=666, Love City=666, Crucify God=666.


I have compiled a few interesting links (see samples in the index). I can't calculate the odds of these words and phrases matching, but it must be astronomical. The true revelation of this code will come when someone writes a program that can automatically calculate every word in the dictionary, and then group the words together according to their values. Is this the hidden language Code that will reveal all? Some say that English is the universal language of mankind. It is comprised of many words from different languages and is taught by nearly every country- if they want to progress. I can't say if the code works the same way in other languages- it would be truly amazing if it did. But I think there is something here to ponder and it will take wisdom to decode the messages hidden within our own words.

Index

King of Jews=714 High, Priest=714, Redeemer=714

Abraham=264, Faith=264, Kill=264

Jerusalem=624, Idolatry=624

Elijah=270, Enoch=270

Divine=372, Deity=372, Whole=372

Priesthood=774, Scripture=774

Believer=468, Repent=468

Billy Graham=648, Evangelism=648, Worship=648

Faith=264, Zeal=264

Spiritual=750, Fellowship=750

Anointed=575, Forgiven=576

Creator=480, Logos=480

God=156, Heal=156

Emmanuel=504, Savior=504

Prayer=498, Wisdom=498

Bethlehem=498, Shepard=498

Zealot=474, Murder=474

False Prophet=846, Tribulation=846

Wrath=420, Fury=420

Wife=258, Give=258

Marriage=432, School=432, World=432

Happy=396. Family=396

Child=144, Kid=144

Children=438, Patience=438, Sacrifice=438

Divorce=456, Vengeance=456

Body=276, Milk=276

Sun=324, Health=324

Chemical=324, Beware=324

Science=348, Barren=348

Mother=474, Nature=474

Heart=312, Pride=312

Birth=342, Moon=342

Abortion=564, Innocent=564

Disease=372, Plague=372, Medicine=372

Homosexual=798, Temptation=798

War=252, Gun=252

Gold=Fire=Death=Decay=Noah=Ocean=228

Babylon=426, Money=426

Sport=528, Egotism=528, Good Time=528

Hero=Win=276

Dollar=372, Enemy=372

Alpha Numeric=726, Revelation=726
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Orates 2006