666=humanchip ?

[Shilohsfoal]

"Sinthesis"Exactly. I am simply pointing out the absurdity of the mind set that proposes that the mark of the beast is a computer chip. This mark is a satanic parody of the mark seen in Ezekiel 9.
Ezekiel 9:4-6 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
6 Slay utterly old [and] young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom [is] the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which [were] before the house.

Will you point out the absurdity of a person who believes a kingdom of the earth will mark its occupants with a earthly object?An obeject the scripture says one can not buy or sell without.
Its easy for you to say that buying means this or selling means that but it is what it is and all your talking cant change what is already written.Do the abominations performed in Jerusalem even bother you at all when you read about them or do you pretend they dont exist?

 

[Sinthesis]

Will you point out the absurdity of a person who believes a kingdom of the earth will mark its occupants with a earthly object?An obeject the scripture says one can not buy or sell without.
Its easy for you to say that buying means this or selling means that but it is what it is and all your talking cant change what is already written.

It is absurd to believe that God will dole out his wrath on those who have a physical mark which could be forced upon believers, rather than those who believe or act in the name of the beast.

Do the abominations performed in Jerusalem even bother you at all when you read about them or do you pretend they dont exist?

What abominations? Seriously, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

"Sinthesis
It is absurd to believe that God will dole out his wrath on those who have a physical mark which could be forced upon believers, rather than those who believe or act in the name of the beast.

It doesnt say anything in the bible about it being forced upon believers.It says Gods wrath will be poured out upun those who worship the beast and his image and recieve his mark.Why do you assume it is forced upon anyone?Thats a huge assumption there dont you think?

What abominations? Seriously, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Im talking about the mark of the beast.If you are going to quote scripture which talks about the abominations of Jerusalem then why do you not consider what abominations take place there?
If you wasnt so hung up on Rome then you might consider the beast,the false prophet,and the mark that is given to people that the scripture itself says is used to buy and sell.
Why do you not even consider what the mark is used for?

 

[Osgiliath]

Originally posted by turnorburn
Is that going to work when it comes time to pay the cashier at the super market, I guess you convince them your bank is good for it using mental telepathy..

First of all, don’t forget the world is going to be a very different place when the antichrist appears on the scene. He appears at the Fifth Trump (Revelation 9:1-11). The first four trumpets will have already sounded, bringing unprecedented destruction, chaos, and panic to our current way of life; motivating the powers that be to form a one world crises government/church state (the leopard-like beast - Revelation 13:1-2) to deal with the emergency and sudden crises. So it’s highly unlikely that a working computer system (with cash registers and such) will be fully functional (or functional at all) at that time, and old fashioned bartering will likely be the method of buying and selling.

Sinthesis was absolutely correct when he/she wrote:

The mark of the beast is how the beast's followers submit themselves to him. The right hand signifies what you do. The forehead signifies what you think. Your actions and beliefs show your true allegiance. No technology is needed.

Revelation 13:16 "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads"

It is all about worship, and WHO you worship; and WHO you work for (as in furthering the antichrist’s agenda). A physical tattoo is superficial. You could have 666 tattooed all over your body from head to toe; but IN your mind (forehead) you could still worship Jesus Christ, and work for Him. Besides, Satan is far more clever than that (Genesis 3:1), and tattoos, chips, or ANY kind of physical name tag would fool no one; not even the Biblically illiterate.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

"Osgiliath"
It is all about worship, and WHO you worship; and WHO you work for (as in furthering the antichrist’s agenda). A physical tattoo is superficial. You could have 666 tattooed all over your body from head to toe; but IN your mind (forehead) you could still worship Jesus Christ, and work for Him. Besides, Satan is far more clever than that (Genesis 3:1), and tattoos, chips, or ANY kind of physical name tag would fool no one; not even the Biblically illiterate.

Take a look at yourself.Your so convinced that it cant be a chip that you proclaim that it isnt long before the false prophet even has set out for Jerusalem.If you think this way ,how do you think all the antichrists in Jerusalem think?They go out of thier way to prove Jesus isnt the messiah .They also reject the book of revelation and would love to rid themselves of those pesky saints.You say it cant fool anyone but you dont consider some people would do things just dispite Christ.

 

[Osgiliath]

Originally posted by Shilohsfoal
Take a look at yourself.Your so convinced that it cant be a chip that you proclaim that it isnt long before the false prophet even has set out for Jerusalem.

No, actually; I’m only convinced about what the Scriptures say:

Revelation 13:16 “And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheadsâ€Â

OK; let’s look at it a different way. How would you interpret the following verses concerning the 144,000?

Revelation 7:3 ....saying, "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

7:4 And I heard the number of the sealed, 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israelâ€Â

God’s servants are sealed "in their foreheads" as well. Do you believe being sealed is referring to an "actual wax seal" physically stuck on their foreheads; or might "sealed in their foreheads" be a physical representation of being sealed with God’s Truth in one’s mind?

Compare the two verses below:

Revelation 7:3 .....saying, "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

Revelation 13:16 "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads"

I think you are speculating too much, and straying into imaginary "what if" territory. Stick to what is written in God’s Word only, and toss aside the rumors and guesswork. Things come to pass EXACTLY as they are written.....without exception.




PS - It is true that many at this time mock Christianity, and do things out of pure spite. However, the antichrist shows up on the scene at the Fifth Trump (Revelation 9:1-11). The first four trumpets preceding his arrival have already caused unprecedented destruction and chaos. The current religious barriers and prejudices that we have now will be eliminated after the world witnesses the Wrath of God delivered by the first four trumpet plagues. The entire world's priorities and frame of mind will be turned upside down due to the supernatural events that bring terrible destruction. So you can not understand accepting the mark of the beast in context if you look at it from today’s point of view. Today’s trivial religious differences will be wiped clean, and the world will unite (Babylon) as one in order to appease God so He will end the plagues. Unfortunately, antichrist will show up (masquerading as the messiah) at just the right time, and due to the urgent global crises (because of the Trumpet plagues), the world will see him as their knight in shining armor; their savior. And when they worship him, believing and proclaiming he is the true savior, they will have accepted his mark "IN" their foreheads.

 

[Jon-Marc]

It says "in his forehead, or in his hand". Rev. 14:9. So it could be a microchip implant. Had it just said "in his hand", then that might just be a credit card, but what would anyone have "in his forehead" other than a microchip?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

"Osgiliath
I think you are speculating too much, and straying into imaginary "what if" territory. Stick to what is written in God’s Word only, and toss aside the rumors and guesswork. Things come to pass EXACTLY as they are written.....without exception.

Toss aside the guesswork and speculation.The mark of the beast will be needed in order to purchase material things.One will not be able to buy or sell unless they have it EXACTLY as it is written without excepction!!!!!

Rev 13;16-17
And he causeth all,both small and great,rich and poor,free and bond,to recieve a mark in thier right hand,or in thier foreheads;
And that no man might buy or sell,save he that had the mark,or the name of the beast,or the number of his name.

PS - It is true that many at this time mock Christianity, and do things out of pure spite. However, the antichrist shows up on the scene at the Fifth Trump (Revelation 9:1-11). The first four trumpets preceding his arrival have already caused unprecedented destruction and chaos. The current religious barriers and prejudices that we have now will be eliminated after the world witnesses the Wrath of God delivered by the first four trumpet plagues. The entire world's priorities and frame of mind will be turned upside down due to the supernatural events that bring terrible destruction. So you can not understand accepting the mark of the beast in context if you look at it from today’s point of view. Today’s trivial religious differences will be wiped clean, and the world will unite (Babylon) as one in order to appease God so He will end the plagues. Unfortunately, antichrist will show up (masquerading as the messiah) at just the right time, and due to the urgent global crises (because of the Trumpet plagues), the world will see him as their knight in shining armor; their savior. And when they worship him, believing and proclaiming he is the true savior, they will have accepted his mark "IN" their foreheads.

Wrong again.
The false messiah doesnt attempt to save the world .
He only attempts to save the false chosen people.
Babylon is not the world as you sudgest.Its a city that sits on seven hills.Its Jerusalem.

Rev17;10-11
And there are seven kings;five are fallen, and one is,and the other is not yet come;and when he cometh,he must continue a short space.And the beast that was,and is not,even he is the eighth ,and is of the seven,and goeth into perdition.

The seven kings that have reigned over Israel
Five that were fallen.
Egypt,Assyrian,Babylon,Persia,and Macedonia. One that was at the time John wrote this-Rome.
Then came the Dispora
The one who would come and continue a short space,who the people of Israel were gatherd under-
Great britian.
The eighth is that kingdom that once was,then was not ,but now is again today.

The false prophet is going to attempt to save what he thinks is Israel.
Like many others even he himself has been fooled by the beast.
ps
The false prophet shows up in Jerusalem here.
Daniel 11;31
And arms shall stand on his part,and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength,and shall take away the daily sacrifice,and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

And those wicked men of Judea who hate the name of Jesus will be corrupted by flatteries but the saints shall be strong.

Daniel 11;32
And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries;but the people that do know thier God shall be strong,and do exploits.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Oh and for anyone who thinks he can buy or sell with a thought in his forehead.
I sure would like a new truck.Mines getting kinda old .
Think about it.ROFLOL

 

[Sinthesis]

It says "in his forehead, or in his hand". Rev. 14:9. So it could be a microchip implant. Had it just said "in his hand", then that might just be a credit card, but what would anyone have "in his forehead" other than a microchip?

Tilaka?

 

[Osgiliath]

Originally posted by Shilohsfoal
Wrong again.
The false messiah doesnt attempt to save the world .
He only attempts to save the false chosen people.
Babylon is not the world as you sudgest.Its a city that sits on seven hills.Its Jerusalem.

That’s the whole point. The false messiah doesn’t attempt to save the world, but everyone thinks he does. He's pretending to be “the True Messiahâ€Â, and that’s how he is able to deceive the world:

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the worldâ€Â

2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Revelation 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Also, if you believe Mystery Babylon is confined to Jerusalem only, then it is rather pointless for me to continue our one on one discussion. Babylon is a worldwide political/religious “beastâ€Â. Seven is the number denoting “spiritual completenessâ€Â, and the Seven Heads of the Beast has nothing to do with the physical geography of Jerusalem. I see you only look at the physical, and have difficulty discerning imagery and metaphors (not to mention parables). If you can only grasp the physical, it would be more fitting to say that the seven heads, or “seven hills†as you say, would be more akin to the “seven continents†on the Earth, since the Babylon of the end times is a “global†system (i.e. NWO).

Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

"Osgiliath"


Also, if you believe Mystery Babylon is confined to Jerusalem only, then it is rather pointless for me to continue our one on one discussion. Babylon is a worldwide political/religious “beastâ€Â. Seven is the number denoting “spiritual completenessâ€Â, and the Seven Heads of the Beast has nothing to do with the physical geography of Jerusalem. I see you only look at the physical, and have difficulty discerning imagery and metaphors (not to mention parables). If you can only grasp the physical, it would be more fitting to say that the seven heads, or “seven hills†as you say, would be more akin to the “seven continents†on the Earth, since the Babylon of the end times is a “global†system (i.e. NWO).

Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Yes I said Babylon is a city for that is scripture.
If you simply believed what you could read in the bible ,you wouldnt have such a hard time understanding scripture.
Rev 17;18
And the woman which thou sawest is that great city,which reineth over the kings of the earth.
I bet those who overcome doesnt have any problem understanding Babylon is a city.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Oh and for anyone who thinks he can buy or sell with a thought in his forehead.
I sure would like a new truck.Mines getting kinda old .
Think about it.ROFLOL

Rev 13;16-17
And he causeth all,both small and great,rich and poor,free and bond,to recieve a mark in thier right hand,or in thier foreheads;
And that no man might buy or sell,save he that had the mark,or the name of the beast,or the number of his name.

Come on guys.
I sure could use a brand new pickup truck.
If you truly think the mark of the beast is the thoughts in your forehead then if everyone thought real hard,you could buy me that new truck with your thoughts.
Come on ,think everybody.Think about me driving that new pickup.

 

[Osgiliath]

Originally posted by Shilohsfoal
Come on guys.
I sure could use a brand new pickup truck.
If you truly think the mark of the beast is the thoughts in your forehead then if everyone thought real hard,you could buy me that new truck with your thoughts.
Come on ,think everybody.Think about me driving that new pickup.

Erm...OK. Never mind. Also, it's hard to think about you driving that new pickup when I don't know what you look like :D

Anyway, here's the example of this very subject from Daniel:

Dan 3:1 Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof six cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon.

Dan 3:6 and whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.

Dan 3:7 Therefore at that time, when all the peoples heard the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and all kinds of music, all the peoples, the nations, and the languages, fell down and worshipped the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up.

Dan 3:8 Wherefore at that time certain Chaldeans came near, and brought accusation against the Jews.

Dan 3:9 They answered and said to Nebuchadnezzar the king, O king, live for ever.

Dan 3:10 Thou, O king, hast made a decree, that every man that shall hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of music, shall fall down and worship the golden image;

Dan 3:11 and whoso falleth not down and worshippeth, shall be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.

It's all about worship, and WHO you serve. Didn't you read my last post concerning the 144,000 being sealed "IN THEIR FOREHEADS" ? It's not a "physical" seal. Study Daniel chapter 3 (partially above). That is an exact Scriptural parallel that illustrates how it will be in the end.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Originally posted by Shilohsfoal
Come on guys.
I sure could use a brand new pickup truck.
If you truly think the mark of the beast is the thoughts in your forehead then if everyone thought real hard,you could buy me that new truck with your thoughts.
Come on ,think everybody.Think about me driving that new pickup.

Erm...OK. Never mind. Also, it's hard to think about you driving that new pickup when I don't know what you look like :D

Anyway, here's the example of this very subject from Daniel:

Dan 3:1 Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof six cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon.



Dan 3:6 and whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.

Dan 3:7 Therefore at that time, when all the peoples heard the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and all kinds of music, all the peoples, the nations, and the languages, fell down and worshipped the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up.

Dan 3:8 Wherefore at that time certain Chaldeans came near, and brought accusation against the Jews.

Dan 3:9 They answered and said to Nebuchadnezzar the king, O king, live for ever.

Dan 3:10 Thou, O king, hast made a decree, that every man that shall hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of music, shall fall down and worship the golden image;

Dan 3:11 and whoso falleth not down and worshippeth, shall be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.

It's all about worship, and WHO you serve. Didn't you read my last post concerning the 144,000 being sealed "IN THEIR FOREHEADS" ? It's not a "physical" seal. Study Daniel chapter 3 (partially above). That is an exact Scriptural parallel that illustrates how it will be in the end.

That would be more like those who worship the image of the beast .
But the mark of the beast is not the image of the beast.The mark of the beast is needed to purchase merchadise.This mark doesnt make anyone think a certain way.If someone worships the beast,then they will recieve his mark.It would be thier way of showing thier allegence to that kingdom.They would show they are true patriots.Again,I point out that the mark of the beast is used to purchase merchandise.

"No man might buy or sell,save he that hath the mark"

I just dont get how you can compare the seal of God to the mark of the beast the way you are.The false prophet is only a man.He cant put a spirit into a man like God can.The only thing man can put into man is something manmade.And as the scripture says,its used to buy and sell.The only thing man is going to use to buy and sell with would be manmade.You keep overlooking what the mark of the beast is used for.

Rev 13;16-17
And he causeth all,both small and great,rich and poor,free and bond,to recieve a mark in thier right hand,or in thier foreheads;
And that no man might buy or sell,save he that had the mark,or the name of the beast,or the number of his name.

 

[Sinthesis]

What about bartering? Could one barter without the mark of the beast? Leasing? Rent-to-own? :eyebrow

 

[Shilohsfoal]

What about bartering? Could one barter without the mark of the beast? Leasing? Rent-to-own? :eyebrow

 

[Jon-Marc]

Tilaka?

And that is?

 

[Osgiliath]

Originally posted by Shilohsfoal
I just dont get how you can compare the seal of God to the mark of the beast the way you are.The false prophet is only a man.

Only a man? Really? Ok; let's break this down then. If you don’t mind me asking, answer this question; "What and/or who do the following represent?"

1. A lamb with seven horns and seven eyes (Revelation 5:6; 12:11; 13:8,11; 14:1,4)

2. A great red dragon with seven heads and ten horns - with SEVEN CROWNS (Revelation 12:3)

3. A leopard-like beast with seven heads and ten horns - with TEN CROWNS (Revelation 13:1,2)

4. A beast with two horns like the lamb, but speaks like the dragon (Revelation 13:11,17)

 

[Shilohsfoal]

"Osgiliath"
Only a man? Really? Ok; let's break this down then. If you don’t mind me asking, answer this question; "What and/or who do the following represent?"

1. A lamb with seven horns and seven eyes (Revelation 5:6; 12:11; 13:8,11; 14:1,4)

Since you already know the lamb of God is not the false prophet then theres no reason for you to ask ,now is there?

2. A great red dragon with seven heads and ten horns - with SEVEN CROWNS (Revelation 12:3)

3. A leopard-like beast with seven heads and ten horns - with TEN CROWNS (Revelation 13:1,2)

First,lets take note that the great red dragon has seven crowns.These crowns are described in rev 17;10 as being seven kings.
And there are seven kings;five are fallen,and one is,and the other is not yet come;and when he cometh,he must continue a short space.
As you can read above,John wrote that there had been five kings which had already fallen at the time he wrote this.They were-Egypt,Assyrian,Babylon,Persia,and Macedonia.
One that was at the time John wrote this-Rome.
Then came the Dispora
The one who would come and continue a short space,who the people of Israel were gatherd under-
Great britian. Those are the seven crowns that has reigned over Israel.

The ten horns which you see upon the beast/dragon are ten kings mentioned in rev 17;12
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings,which have recieved no kingdom as yet;but recieve power as kings one hour with the beast.
These also mentioned in Daniel 7;7 but unlike the beast you mentioned these are not seen on the seven heads in Daniel 8;7.The reason for this is the ten horns render those seven heads also called hills to the the little horn which came up after them in Daniel 7;8.Today this little horn is called Israel by most and as you know as described in rev 17;11 that it once was,It was not when John wrote the following verse but is once more reigning over Israel from the seven hilled city of Jerusalem.
rev17;11
And the beast that was,and is not,even he is the eighth,and is of the seven,and goeth into perdition.

The ten horns are ten muslim regimes that have not recieved the empire as the other beasts before then mentioned in Daniel 7;4-6
Theses other three beasts mentioned here are Babylon Daniel 7;4
The first was like a lion,and had eagle's wings;I beheld till the wings therof were plucked,and it was lifted up from the earth,and made to stand upon the feet as a man,and a man's heart was given to it.
Daniel 7;5
Persia
And behold another beast,a second,like to a bear,and it raised up itself on one side,and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it;and they said thus unto it,Arise,devour much flesh.
Sassanid,Caliphate,Seljuk and Salidin
Daniel 7;6
After this I beheld,and lo another,like a leopard,which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl;the beast had also four heads;and dominion was given to it.

4. A beast with two horns like the lamb, but speaks like the dragon (Revelation 13:11,17)

Now this is the one mentioned as being the false prophet in the book of Revelation and this is the one I call the false prophet.He is called the false prophet in rev 19;20
And the beast was taken,and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him,with which he decieved them that had recieved the mark of the beast,and them that worshiped his image.These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

He is called a vile person in Daniel 11;21
And in his estate shall stand up a vile person,to whom they shall not give the honor of the kingdom;but he shall come in peaceably,and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
He is called the man of sin in thes 2;3
Let no man deceive you by any means;for that day shall not come,except there come a falling away first,and the man of sin be revealed,the son of perdition.

So yes,I call this man,a man.
His army is called a host in Daniel 8;12 and arms in Daniel 11;31
Daniel 8;12
And a host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression,andit cast down the truth to the ground;and it practices and prosperd.
Daniel 11;31
And arms shall stand on his part,and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength and shall take away the daily sacrifice,and they shall place the abomination that matheth desolate.

And this is the army under his control that maketh fire come down out of heaven in the sight of men.
I have reason to believe he will be the next comander in chief of the United States military.