666=humanchip ?

[Osgiliath]

:o Whoa, hold on there Shiloh; slow down. Let’s take our time and break this down further. Don’t worry, there is no rush, so we can take our time with this. Let’s start with this great dragon in Revelation 12 because we need to address some Scripture here:


“Then another sign appeared in heaven: an great red dragon with seven heads and ten
horns and seven crowns on his heads. His tail swept a third of the stars* out of the sky and
flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give
birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born.†(Revelation
12:3,4,).

And then we have:

“And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought
against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong
enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down – that
ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled
to the earth, and his angels with him.†(Revelation 12:7-9)

That ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan (who leads the whole world astray) is ascribed to this very dragon in Revelation 12.

Let’s analyze this before we investigate the differences between this beast and the leopard-like beast in Revelation 13. Also, let’s worry about the four beasts in Daniel 7; representing past/present/future world empires (Daniel 7:17) later; after we have addressed these specifics. You went straight to naming empires before explaining the dragon itself, as it is described here.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

["Osgiliath"]:o

Let’s analyze this before we investigate the differences between this beast and the leopard-like beast in Revelation 13. Also, let’s worry about the four beasts in Daniel 7; representing past/present/future world empires (Daniel 7:17) later; after we have addressed these specifics. You went straight to naming empires before explaining the dragon itself, as it is described here.

The differences between the great red dragon with 7 heads ,ten horns and seven crowns and the red beast with seven heads, ten horns and seven crowns?

Yes the beast is red-
Rev 17;3
So he caried me away in the spirit into the wilderness;and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet-colored beast,full of names of blasphemy,having seven heads and ten horns.
And yes ,the beast has seven crowns.
Rev 17;10
And there are seven kings;five are fallen,and one is,and the other is not yet come;and when he cometh,he must continue a short space.

The ten horns upon the beast are ten kings.
Rev 17;12
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings,which have recieved no kingdom as yet;but recieve power as kings one hour with the beast.

This is describing a devided empire of the middle east in which there are ten kings ruling.They have not recieved the empire as those beasts before them such as Nebuchadnezzar(Babylon)
Dan 2;37
Thou,O king,art a king of kings;for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom,power,and strength,and glory.

All four beasts of Daniel's vision in Dan 7;4-8 are of Daniel's known world.

The ten horn make war with the Lamb at Armegedon.
Rev 17;14
These shall make war with the Lamb,and the Lamb shall overcome them;for he is Lord of lords,and King of kings;and they that are with him are chosen,and faithful.

The way of the kings of the east being prepared for Armegedon.
Rev 16;12
And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates;and the water thereof was dried up,that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

Babylon (Jerusalem,mother of apostate Israel) is destroyed in the war.
Rev 17;16
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast,these shall hate the whore,and shall make her desolate and naked,and shall eat her flesh,and burn her with fire.

 

[Osgiliath]

Originally posted by Shilohsfoal

Rev 17;12
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings,which have recieved no kingdom as yet;but recieve power as kings one hour with the beast.

This is describing a devided empire of the middle east in which there are ten kings ruling.

Ok, now we are getting at least somewhere. The Ten Kings (that receive power as kings one hour with the beast) describing a divided Middle Eastern empire is pure speculation, and your opinion, is it not? There are some portions of your posts that I believe are accurate, and can be documented Scripturally. However, much of the time you take the liberty of adding a great deal of your own speculation and personal opinion that can not be documented. You also present your own subjective ideas as if they were emphatically Scriptural, yet they are not. Also, I must say that I do not agree with your interpretation most of the time. But who am I to refute one’s personal opinion? That is why I prefer to analyze and discuss only that which can be documented Scripturally. Supposition and personal opinion is only as good as “he said, she saidâ€Â, and is fruitless as far as profitable discussion. If it isn’t written, I don’t want to talk about it. So you make the call. Aside from the dragon being red, you haven’t addressed the fundamental connection between the dragon and "the ancient serpent, called the devil, or Satan" yet. You are skipping over vital information, which is the reason you jump to conclusions too quickly. I am well aware of the historical empires of the past representing the fallen kings, so you need not repeat that again.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Originally posted by Shilohsfoal

Rev 17;12
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings,which have recieved no kingdom as yet;but recieve power as kings one hour with the beast.

This is describing a devided empire of the middle east in which there are ten kings ruling.

Ok, now we are getting at least somewhere. The Ten Kings (that receive power as kings one hour with the beast) describing a divided Middle Eastern empire is pure speculation, and your opinion, is it not? There are some portions of your posts that I believe are accurate, and can be documented Scripturally. However, much of the time you take the liberty of adding a great deal of your own speculation and personal opinion that can not be documented. You also present your own subjective ideas as if they were emphatically Scriptural, yet they are not. Also, I must say that I do not agree with your interpretation most of the time. But who am I to refute one’s personal opinion? That is why I prefer to analyze and discuss only that which can be documented Scripturally. Supposition and personal opinion is only as good as “he said, she saidâ€Â, and is fruitless as far as profitable discussion. If it isn’t written, I don’t want to talk about it. So you make the call. Aside from the dragon being red, you haven’t addressed the fundamental connection between the dragon and "the ancient serpent, called the devil, or Satan" yet. You are skipping over vital information, which is the reason you jump to conclusions too quickly. I am well aware of the historical empires of the past representing the fallen kings, so you need not repeat that again.

To tell you the truth ,I know much more concering those ten that came up and the other that is diverse from the first.But if you couldnt understand what I had written then you couldnt understand anything I hadnt.
Im past all that now though and am more interested in Obamas tax plan.
Looks like he is going to attempt to collect.

 

[Osgiliath]

Originally posted by Shilohsfoal
To tell you the truth ,I know much more concering those ten that came up and the other that is diverse from the first.But if you couldnt understand what I had written then you couldnt understand anything I hadnt.

Of course we are going to get our butts taxed off, that’s a given (that’s what the government does), and there is no reason to even discuss the inevitable. Anyway, it’s not that I don’t 'understand' what you have posted, I just don’t 'agree' with what you have posted. What, you don’t think I’m aware of the migrations of the Ten Tribes over the Caucus Mountains after the Assyrians, or Jeremiah taking Zedekiah’s daughters; "Scota" and "Tamar Tephi"; and the history of Scotland (from Scota); and Isaac’s Sons (Saac’s Sons, i.e. Saxons); and the Stone of Scone - Jacobs Pillar in Ireland and then England, and what is said in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 concerning those who claim to be of Judah? Again, you have a tendency to assume too much. Some of us may know more than you think. So, if you know so much more about those TEN, I would be very interested to hear it. Convince me.

 

[Sinthesis]

To tell you the truth ,I know much more concering those ten that came up and the other that is diverse from the first.But if you couldnt understand what I had written then you couldnt understand anything I hadnt.

Enlighten us...Please?

Im past all that now though and am more interested in Obamas tax plan.
Looks like he is going to attempt to collect.

Luke 20:25 - And He said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

"Sinthesis"
Enlighten us...Please?

Fact-The little horn dwells in the plesant land.Dan 8;9.
Fact-The little horn is diverse than the ten that came up around him.Dan 7;24
Do you know what dwells in the plesant land that is so different than the kings around it?
If not there would be no sense to go any further.
But if you believe the saints will inherit the land promised to them then you shouldnt have any problem understanding what is already there.
Dan7;27
And the kingdom and dominion,and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven,shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High,whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
If you believe this has already come to pass then you believe all dominions including the muslims serve and obey the most High.But if you believe this is yet to come then you should also believe the saints will inherit the promised land where the little horn dwells today.See Mt 8;11-12

Im past all that now though and am more interested in Obamas tax plan.
Looks like he is going to attempt to collect.

Luke 20:25 - And He said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.

See also Dan11;20
Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom;but within a few days he shall be destroyed,neither in anger,nor in battle.

I think Obama has a case to get those taxes hes resently been talking about.

But this raiser of taxes in Dan 11;20 would have to be taken out of the way before the evil man in dan 11;21would be revealed.The man that sends a host to the little horn in Dan 8;12 and Dan 11;31.


Could even be the man talking in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osZbsC1t87A
He seems interested in implantable microchips.

 

[Osgiliath]

Originally posted by Shilohsfoal
Fact-The little horn is diverse than the ten that came up around him.Dan 7;24
Do you know what dwells in the plesant land that is so different than the kings around it?
If not there would be no sense to go any further.

I wish you would refrain from assuming what we know, or do not know. We are not mind readers, and do not have the ability to fully understand a person's 'personal interpretation' of the Scriptures. If you read my last post, I hope it is clear that you're not dealing with amateur hour.

So, since you are hesitant to speak plainly, let me see if I understand your theory.

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

So, your assumption is that the Ten Kings represent Middle-Eastern empires, and they are diverse from the little horn; Israel. Does your hypothesis suggest the three kings subdued in 7:24 represent Egypt, Jordan, and Syria; that were defeated in the Six-Day Arab-Israeli War in 1967?

 

[Sinthesis]

Fact-The little horn dwells in the plesant land.Dan 8;9.
Fact-The little horn is diverse than the ten that came up around him.Dan 7;24

It seems you are confusing your horns. The 'little horn' is in Daniel 8, but not Daniel 7. Daniel 7 does have an 'eleventh horn', but it appears greater than the preceding ten. 'Stout' does not mean 'little' unless perhaps you're interpreting 'I'm A Little Teapot'. :D

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Fact-The little horn dwells in the plesant land.Dan 8;9.
Fact-The little horn is diverse than the ten that came up around him.Dan 7;24

It seems you are confusing your horns. The 'little horn' is in Daniel 8, but not Daniel 7. Daniel 7 does have an 'eleventh horn', but it appears greater than the preceding ten. 'Stout' does not mean 'little' unless perhaps you're interpreting 'I'm A Little Teapot'. :D

The little horn mentioned in chapter 7.
Daniel 7;8
I considerd the horns,and behold,there came up amoung them another little horn,before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots;and,behold,in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man,and a mouth speaking great things.

Its the same little horn mentioned in chapter 8 .
Daniel 8;8
Therefore the he goat waxed very great;and when he was strong,the great horn was broken;and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
The rough goat is the first king from the west.-Macedinia
The four notable horns that came up afterwards were
Roman,Byzantine,Ottoman and Great Britian

The little horn came from the north west to the pleasant land.The pleasant land=the promised land.
Daniel 8;9
And out of one of them came forth a little horn,which waxed exeedingly great,toward the south,and toward the east,and toward the pleasant land.
This is describing the jews coming out of Europe.Israel itself came out of the British empire declaring its independence May 14 1948 ,one day before the end of the British mandate of Palestine.


He might be little but he is stronger than his fellows.
Hes a little teapot short and stout,
There is his handle,there is his spout.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

"Osgiliath"
So, your assumption is that the Ten Kings represent Middle-Eastern empires, and they are diverse from the little horn; Israel. Does your hypothesis suggest the three kings subdued in 7:24 represent Egypt, Jordan, and Syria; that were defeated in the Six-Day Arab-Israeli War in 1967?

Not ten empires but a devided empire.=countries
Like Nebuchadnezzar's dream.
Dan 2;41
And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes,part of potters clay,and part of iron,the kingdom shall be devided;but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron,forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

Ive considerd the three kings mentioned in 7;24 representing Egypt ,Jordan and Syria.Ive also considerd the anti missionary law made christmas day 1977 with the laws mentioned in Daniel 7;24.
But most of all Ive considerd the time,times and the deviding of time mentioned in that verse as pertaining to the amount of time the false prophet spends in Israel in dan 12;7.
Or as Jesus called it Judea.Mt 24;16

Far as I understand most of the prophecies in this book as well as the book of revelation pertains to events taking place in and around Israel.
Take the people of Babylon for instance.
Rev 17;15
And he saith unto me,The waters which thou sawest,where the whore sitteth,are peoples,and multitues,and nations ,and tongues.
Most people look at this and believe it is speaking of many different countries.I look at it and see a perfect disciption of the people who dwell in Israel.

Israel has two official languages, Hebrew and Arabic.[2] Hebrew is the primary language of the state and spoken by the majority of the population. Arabic is spoken by the Arab minority and Jews who immigrated to Israel from Arab lands. Most Israelis can communicate reasonably well in English, as many television programs are in English and many schools begin to teach English in the early grades. As a country of immigrants, dozens of languages can be heard on the streets of Israel. A large influx of people from the former Soviet Union and Ethiopia have made Russian and Amharic widely spoken in Israel. Between 1990 and 1994, the immigration of Jews from the former Soviet Union increased Israel's population by twelve percent.[224] Over the last decade, immigration flows have also included significant numbers of workers from countries such as Romania, Thailand, China, and a number of countries in Africa and South America; gauging precise numbers is difficult because of the presence of "undocumented" immigrants, but estimates run in the region of 200,000.[

 

[Sinthesis]

Fact-The little horn dwells in the plesant land.Dan 8;9.
Fact-The little horn is diverse than the ten that came up around him.Dan 7;24

It seems you are confusing your horns. The 'little horn' is in Daniel 8, but not Daniel 7. Daniel 7 does have an 'eleventh horn', but it appears greater than the preceding ten. 'Stout' does not mean 'little' unless perhaps you're interpreting 'I'm A Little Teapot'. :D

The little horn mentioned in chapter 7.
Daniel 7;8
I considerd the horns,and behold,there came up amoung them another little horn,before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots;and,behold,in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man,and a mouth speaking great things.

Yes, I have committed post-haste. :D

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Yes, I have committed post-haste. :D

But youve got a good sense of humor.
Now when I think of the little horn,I'll have "'Im a little teapot"' stuck in my head.

 

[kingdavid]

In the bible it mentions the mark of the beast being 666 many translate that to the human chip as a tracking device some say that's the mark of the the beast what is your opinion ?

no, it is the number of a man. most notably the flase prophet/beast/son of perdition-the bishop of rome. it is written in roman numerals, VICARIVS FILII DEI, in roman numerals which means instead of or in place of the Son of God. that is what antichrist means. anti can mean against but it also means instead of. this is written on the popes mitre that he carries around. i have heard that it is also written on one of the triple crowns that was made for him


it says that you will have to receive the mark of the beast OR the number of his name(2 distict things here-not the same). receiving his mark could just be receiving or bowing down to his false doctrine/creed/dogmas or joining up with him