This conspiracy theory has been debunked many times already.
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666- The Mark of the Beast - Humanity's Ultimate Choice
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This conspiracy theory has been debunked many times already.
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Brother Mike
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Wow folks........ Stop trying to figure out the Mark with human reasoning. It's a mark on the forehead or hand. Nobody is going to put a chip in your forehead. The mark is just that, some mark or not even physically visible. (look up word kiss in bible, see what it meant for good and bad) Not implant.......... Also at this time I seriously doubt most the power grid and communications lines will be open like you see in "Left behind" could be wrong but I would not count on it.
Read very carefully.
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
So the theory is that Obama is going to do these mighty miracles that will deceive many to get this mark. Really??
Rev 13:15[/B] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev_14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Those that are deceived by these miracles and Worship the beast............................. getting computer chip implant to keep track of records............. Worship beast by miracles............computer chip for records...................... deceived by miracles and worship the beast..................
Those that knowingly receive the mark, believing in great Miracles and worship the Beast............................... Get computer implant for record keeping??????????????
It really helps to read carefully the Word, even praying for understanding before you do. If you don't you fall off the cliff with the rest of those that get caught up in propaganda and website prophecy.
Mike.
Read very carefully.
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
So the theory is that Obama is going to do these mighty miracles that will deceive many to get this mark. Really??
Rev 13:15[/B] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev_14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Those that are deceived by these miracles and Worship the beast............................. getting computer chip implant to keep track of records............. Worship beast by miracles............computer chip for records...................... deceived by miracles and worship the beast..................
Those that knowingly receive the mark, believing in great Miracles and worship the Beast............................... Get computer implant for record keeping??????????????
It really helps to read carefully the Word, even praying for understanding before you do. If you don't you fall off the cliff with the rest of those that get caught up in propaganda and website prophecy.
Mike.
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Elijah674
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It won't be visible. We live in a culture that's consumed with looks. No one is going to want a symbol on their forehead. lol
PLease stop spreading lies. That actually was not in the Obamacare paperwork. It originated in 2010 and was part of another item trying to be slipped into a bill that congress QUICKLY rejected.
The Mark of the Beast, is internal. It's about what you believe (forehead) and do (right hand) because of what you believe.
A lie, is a lie, is a lie. Repeating a lie, is backbiting of the worst kind.
The Seal (mark) of the Holy Spirit, is internal. It's about what you believe (forehead) and do (right hand) because of what you believe.
A truth, is a truth, is a truth. Repeating a truth, is what we will do (according to our maturity in Christ).
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Brother Mike
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A Mark is visible people. I know, I have a 6 year old daughter that marks things. A seal might be something only God sees................ it's not a computer chip, whatever the case. The horse rider spreads famine in the land. It does not hurt the core of prosperity not touching the Oil and wine. The False prophet hording goods sees an opportunity to force people to follow by the simple need of food. A Mark is issued that those that take this mark, stamp, whatever are promised food and the ability to conduct business for a short time.
Mike.
Mike.
I believe the beast was Nero...
As far as the Mark of the Beast being on the forehead and hands, I believe it's symbolic of what you do and how you think. Basically, your actions will always be in line with your thoughts.
So what is this number 666? Through Gemara, one could say it represents Nero. However, John writes through a Jewish style we call "first metion". And where do we see this 666 first in scriptures? Well, we find it in 1 Kings 10:14 under Solomon's reign.
From a secular point of view the surrounding Chapters of chapter 10 look pretty good. But when we view the surrounding chapters through the lens of Torah, we see that Solomon wasn't living the way God commanded. He bought chariots and horses from Egypt ( 1 Kings 10:28-29) When God commanded Israel not to purchase these state of the art war machines especially through Egypt (Deuteronomy 17:16)
Actually, just read Deuteronomy 17:14-20 and contrast it with 1 Kings 8-12 and you'll see Solomon violating every one of God's commandments. He marries multiple wives and offers his children up to pagen gods as sacrafices (Yes, he dealt in human sacrafice with his own children), he built the temple with slave labor, he was a arms dealer and he prostituted Israel to neighboring kings for his earthy advancement, thus the 666 talents of gold he received each year. All this abundance caused silver to become as common.
What we think is what we'll do, and we see what Solomon did. Oh, btw, this is the only recorded time in history that the earth had world peace. Ironic huh?
And what was Nero's divine purpose in his own mind? To create peace through brute force. He and Solomon had a lot in common... and this mark is clearly seen.
As far as the Mark of the Beast being on the forehead and hands, I believe it's symbolic of what you do and how you think. Basically, your actions will always be in line with your thoughts.
So what is this number 666? Through Gemara, one could say it represents Nero. However, John writes through a Jewish style we call "first metion". And where do we see this 666 first in scriptures? Well, we find it in 1 Kings 10:14 under Solomon's reign.
From a secular point of view the surrounding Chapters of chapter 10 look pretty good. But when we view the surrounding chapters through the lens of Torah, we see that Solomon wasn't living the way God commanded. He bought chariots and horses from Egypt ( 1 Kings 10:28-29) When God commanded Israel not to purchase these state of the art war machines especially through Egypt (Deuteronomy 17:16)
Actually, just read Deuteronomy 17:14-20 and contrast it with 1 Kings 8-12 and you'll see Solomon violating every one of God's commandments. He marries multiple wives and offers his children up to pagen gods as sacrafices (Yes, he dealt in human sacrafice with his own children), he built the temple with slave labor, he was a arms dealer and he prostituted Israel to neighboring kings for his earthy advancement, thus the 666 talents of gold he received each year. All this abundance caused silver to become as common.
What we think is what we'll do, and we see what Solomon did. Oh, btw, this is the only recorded time in history that the earth had world peace. Ironic huh?
And what was Nero's divine purpose in his own mind? To create peace through brute force. He and Solomon had a lot in common... and this mark is clearly seen.
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Wow, thank you for this post!!
That clears up a bunch of questions for me.
Have a wonderful day with Jesus.
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Brother Mike
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The oil is the Holy Spirit. The wine is the Blood of Christ. Do not touch the oil and the wine. Who has the oil and wine?
Well, ever notice how Stephen retold the story before he was stoned to death? Ever notice how Paul retells the story in all his writings, especially Romans? History has a way of repeating itself. Babylon was the first attempt at an Empire, and we see what God did. Egypt was the first Modern Empire, and Pharaoh started killing babies when he became fearful of his Empire when God stepped in. In the days of John, the Caesar's were in charge of the then greatest Empire in the world and Harod, fearful of his kingdom just like Pharoh before him killed the little babies and Pilot, fearful of Rome had Jesus put to death. Israel, was, and had basically been sleeping with Rome in the time John wrote all of his letters.
Not sure what you've read about Nero, but he was mentioned as a "beast" in several secular historical writings because of how he thought of himself (as a god) and how that played out in his actions. I'll see if I can dig them up but he was a very vile, corrupt fellow. Vile enough to be named a beast by other historical writers and powerful enough to yield an Empire to his destructive tendencies.
Proverbs 23:7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee. Your mention of the mark being symbolic and that has to be a reality. Types such as the Shulamite in the Song of Solomon being a bride of Christ we read in Colossians 2:16, Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Numbers 25:6 puts it this way: Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. My contention is that the mark of a man in the forehead and hands are types of what he thinks in his heart and does with his hands in that time.
This brings to mind Nebuchadnezzar’s image of gold in which he commanded all people to fall down and worship it; sound familiar to the abomination of desolation? In this case men will not only have to think of the man of sin in their mind, but also serve him with their hands.
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Brother Mike
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We know that the horse rider can't hurt the Holy Spirit, right? We know the Blood is not actually around to be hurt as it was for us. So, we have to read the whole context of the Chapter. We don't spiritualize everything, otherwise every place someone drank wine in the bible, they would actually be drinking the blood, and where someone dumped or sold oil in the bible they would be dumping out the Holy Spirit.
2Ch 31:5 And as soon as the commandment came abroad, the children of Israel brought in abundance the firstfruits of corn, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the field; and the tithe of all things brought they in abundantly.
2Ch 2:10 And, behold, I will give to thy servants, the hewers that cut timber, twenty thousand measures of beaten wheat, and twenty thousand measures of barley, and twenty thousand baths of wine, and twenty thousand baths of oil.
2Ki_4:7 Then she came and told the man of God. And he said, Go, sell the oil, and pay thy debt, and live thou and thy children of the rest.
Eze_27:17 Judah, and the land of Israel, they were thy merchants: they traded in thy market wheat of Minnith, and Pannag, and honey, and oil, and balm.
Eze_27:18 Damascus was thy merchant in the multitude of the wares of thy making, for the multitude of all riches; in the wine of Helbon, and white wool.
There is a few scriptures.
Oil and Wine are not really life sustaining items, however they were the core money maker of any Merchant. Oil and wine sustained the core economy. They represented prosperity and brought in the most money.
Rev 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
Rev 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Needed food goods were going at crazy prices. These were bought at the merchants at this time. The core thing that kept merchants in business were the selling of Oil and Wine. If the Horse rider destroys the foundation of the economic system, then nobody is going to be able to buy or sell food. He has scales in his hand, it must maintain a balance or there is no food even to sell.
This is where the Beast system gets a hold on the economic markets. The markets are not destroyed at the core else there would be nothing to work with. However, we see there is food but with inflated prices.
Right now Oil (As in made into gas, and petroleum products) is a core thing that needs to be in place or no food, and anything else gets distributed. The Horse rider was told not to destroy the ability of the merchants to sell these inflated foods at high prices. So the famine can't be totally famished but balanced, or else there is nothing to eat, or sell.
This is what the Horse rider did, so that the beast system would have something to use to gain advantage of later. I hope this made sense, because that is what all the horse riders do, they effect the earth in a way to make room for what is to come. The first Horse rider being the Antichrist, EDITED SNARK
Ecc_3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
Everything you say makes sense. Men that are referred to as "Beast" were in bad shape spiritually. So, then the question is, you believe this Beast system has already come and gone? If so, that is going to take a whole lot of theology changing on my part to fit it all in.
Mike.
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Hi Mike,
As Solomon himself stated: Ecc 1:9 What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.
Ever wonder why the first person Mary met in John's account at the tomb of Jesus was identified as a gardener? And where is the first place we see a garden in the Bible? Perhaps this is why Paul writes: 1 Cor 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
In short, we aint at the last chapter of Revelation yet...
Are ya tracking yet?
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Brother Mike
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OH K............... I am not sure where we pick that up at, but Your view is far to different to even have a discussion about it without going back to day one so to speak. I never heard this view.
Thank you for sharing though, but I would have to just understand more about this to even form something intelligent and something that would make sense to you.
This was correct when Solomon wrote it, but Jesus' resurrection was 'new under the sun', and ushered in a change from the futility of a human works based understanding of theology to one based on the Grace of God. This is why the Cross is the fulcrum of history. What has been done will be done again, but this time with Christ. This second effort, led by Christ through Christianity, has been going on now for nearly two thousand years, and will not fail as Solomon's reign did.
What do you think of Rev_13:8 ". . the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." Had this not be so would blood sacrifice representative of Jesus' death been of any value?