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7 Hills, one spark?

really did you even read that site, and what is says, bot the jew and the muslim call him a prophet! perhaps i will quote that link.

it mission is to promote islam , i check the sites on islam to make sure that they are inaccurate they claim to be muslims and at a quick glance they are.
 
Shilohsfoal said:
jasoncran said:
they deny that he died on the cross! and that he was and is the same as the lord.

uh they dont worship jesus do they. if he isnt worshipped as god then what is he.

the means to be muslim

there's no god but allah, and mohammed is his prophet. odd since that makes a claim opposite to what we say.

we say there is a god in heaven that sent his only begotten son to die for you on the cross.
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1 John 4;3
And every spirit that confeseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God;and this is that spirit of antichrist,whereof ye have heard that it should come,and even not already is it in the world.

I dont care what you say.I recieve no knowledge from what you say or what they say.
My knowledge of what an antichrist is comes from what John said.

Judaism claims that Christ has not come.
Islam claims Christ has come.

Your love for the beast blinds you from the truth.
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really, in your version of the 'truth" is the cross necessary?

according to islam he didnt die on the cross even though they call him the messiah, but if he didnt die on the cross then what is to us? if theres no death on the cross then what. you must beleive on the fact that jesus died ON The cross for your sins. the muslim dont accept that so they cant be speaking of the same messiah.


One other thing: since Muslims deny the Crucifixion, their emphasis has been on the wonders surrounding the birth of "Jesus Son of Mary", born as his mother sat under a palm tree, and miraculously speaking from within the womb. There really is no reason why schools that put on Nativity plays, or anyone who wants to insist on the Christian meaning of Christmas, should fear that they may offend Muslim sensibilities, for Jesus really is shared by both faiths.
 
Here is the meaning of antichrist according to John.You can accept it or reject it.
That is up to you.If you want to rewrite it,then go ahead.If you want to change it in anyway ,you can so at your own pen.If you want to mislead anyone on this board as to what an antichrist claims then do so .

1 John 4;3
And every spirit that confeseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God;and this is that spirit of antichrist,whereof ye have heard that it should come,and even not already is it in the world.

Judaism claims that Christ has not come.
Islam claims Christ has come.

Your love for the beast blinds you from the truth.
 
ok is the death on the cross necessary for jesus to be messiah?

if you cant say that it is and just repeat the same verse in 1 john, then why continue this conservasation?

you say that the muslims beleives that jesus is the messiah and that christians believe the same

really when they say we got it wrong, he didnt die on the cross, but what does paul say?

if the lord wasnt raised from the dead then our faith is in what vain! for we be men most miserable.
so the messiah to be the messiah had to die on the cross and be raised in order for atonement to take place. the jews and the muslims deny this.
 
jasoncran said:
ok is the death on the cross necessary for jesus to be messiah?

if you cant say that it is and just repeat the same verse in 1 john, then why continue this conservasation?

you say that the muslims beleives that jesus is the messiah and that christians believe the same

really when they say we got it wrong, he didnt die on the cross, but what does paul say?

if the lord wasnt raised from the dead then our faith is in what vain! for we be men most miserable.
so the messiah to be the messiah had to die on the cross and be raised in order for atonement to take place. the jews and the muslims deny this.
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1 John 4;3
And every spirit that confeseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God;and this is that spirit of antichrist,whereof ye have heard that it should come,and even not already is it in the world.


Ok ,How are you going to rewrite what John said?

Are you going to write that the spirit of antichrist confeseth not that Christ died and was raised?
How are you going to rewrite the verse about antichrist?Preach your word.
 
duh he had to die on the cross! if he didnt die just smiled and looked pretty then died, he aint the saviour now he is he.

did the lord die on the cross? answer me and that has to answered for if he didnt die then how can we that beleive on the bible be saved from the consequences of sin.

you are only looking for your answered from 1 john. its implies as the audience in ephesus know who jesus was and what he did.
he came to save the lost on his first coming the second coming is to judge and deliver isreal and the gentiles saints and jewish believers.
 
jasoncran said:
duh he had to die on the cross! if he didnt die just smiled and looked pretty then died, he aint the saviour now he is he.

did the lord die on the cross? answer me and that has to answered for if he didnt die then how can we that beleive on the bible be saved from the consequences of sin.

you are only looking for your answered from 1 john. its implies as the audience in ephesus know who jesus was and what he did.
he came to save the lost on his first coming the second coming is to judge and deliver isreal and the gentiles saints and jewish believers.
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1 John explains what the antichrist proclaims.Even in Johns day was antichrist in the world.Antichrist proclaimed even then that the Messiah hadnt come.Even to today the antichrist proclaims the Messiah hasnt come in the flesh.
Does the Muslim proclaim Christ has not come in the flesh-NO
Does the Hindu proclaim Christ has not come in the flesh-No
Does those of Judaism claim that Christ has not come in the flesh-YES.

You should know very well who the antichrist was in Johns day and today.John knew.
John 1;11
He came unto his own,and his own recieved him not.

Theres nothing new under the sun.
 
but did the the messiah according to muslim die on the cross and live again?

if not that aint the messiah.

the mormons beleive that jesus died on the cross,yet they aint hevean bound. why they call him a man who EVOLVED INTO GOD, and has satan as his brother.

the masonry calls adonai a liar( our LORD) and lucider(satan) the only true god and they accept the messiah. hmm i guess they dont have that anti-christ spirit too.

what is your church, i wish to challenge this source directly. as it has alot of anti-semitiscm to it. and youre blind to it , when the others faiths blatenly deny the messiah as is in the bible.
 
jasoncran said:
what is your church, i wish to challenge this source directly. as it has alot of anti-semitiscm to it. and youre blind to it , when the others faiths blatenly deny the messiah as is in the bible.
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My source is the scripture itself.Yes it has much antisemitism to it if that is what you want to call it.

Acts 7;51
Ye stiffnecked and uncircusized in heart and ears,ye do always resist the Holy Ghost as your fathers did,so do ye.
Perhaps you should pay attention to it sometime.Or you can be like your fathers.Makes no difference to me.
 
so you just read the bible with no teacher to show what those verses mean how they apply, viola

i hate the jew. :verysad

you have singled the jew and only him, and condemn them.

did you ever read what paul said concerning them. that they were subject to blindness? or how that they will be able to see again.

please i am no anti-christ. :mad

i wonder how less then 3% of population will manage to persucte the christians all be them selves.since the muslim and are far bigger in populous then the jew.

looks like the jew wont be alone in his plans. will he. he might need help from the muslims and others that fail to convert.
 
jasoncran said:
so you just read the bible with no teacher to show what those verses mean how they apply, viola

i hate the jew. :verysad

you have singled the jew and only him, and condemn them.

did you ever read what paul said concerning them. that they were subject to blindness? or how that they will be able to see again.

please i am no anti-christ. :mad

i wonder how less then 3% of population will manage to persucte the christians all be them selves.since the muslim and are far bigger in populous then the jew.

looks like the jew wont be alone in his plans. will he. he might need help from the muslims and others that fail to convert.
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3% of the population ?
Only 2% of the population is christian.And yes ,those unbelieving Jews shall kill the believers.



Religion
Main article: Religion in Israel
The religious affiliation of Israeli Jews varies widely: 55% say they are "traditional," while 20% consider themselves "secular Jews," 17% define themselves as "Religious Zionists"; the final 8% define themselves as "Haredi Jews."[294]

Making up 16% of the population, Muslims constitute Israel's largest religious minority. About 2% of the population are Christian and 1.5% are Druze.[295]


Those who know thier God shall die as it is written on them.
Dan 11;33
And they that understand amoung the people shall instruct many yet they shall fall by the sword,and by flame,by captivity,and by spoil,many days.


Yea I know.You dont believe it.
 
out of that little tiny nation that's leader had to remind the u.n that they had the right to defend themselves.

odd.

a nation that has few million will suddely become or is in your yes the anti-christ, yet has been sujected to the most vile hatred.

sure they will those in isreal that follow the anti-christ,but as i have told you earlier that the anti-christ not a nation but an indivual.
 
The term Anti-Christ is a general term for any opposition. The Jews who rejected Yahshua as the Messiah were the Kabbalistic and Hellenistic Jews, they were in control of the people and temple at that time.
 
mdo757 said:
The term Anti-Christ is a general term for any opposition. The Jews who rejected Yahshua as the Messiah were the Kabbalistic and Hellenistic Jews, they were in control of the people and temple at that time.
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it can be in that sense, but there is THE anti-christ, that is the beast itself.

we have many small anti-christs since the time of christ but no one has been the Anti-christ.

his claims is that the whole nation and peoples of the jews who reside in or out of isreal will be that anti-christ.
 
Following on with the theme, runs along the same lines, as the Glitch in the matrix post. parallel events.

ive mentioned to about ripples in the pond, how a child will throw stones into a pond, any stone to begin with, then search for the biggest stone they can find. cause and effect.
there are events that happen on a personal level, local level global level.
that cause ripples in the pond. as it where.
then the bigger ripples can follow.

comparing recent events in the lake district, hill district , to events in the middle East, Israel, 7 hills

as mentioned there was a coach crash in the lake district, Uk yesterday a Coach crash near Johannesburg which used to be nicked named Jews berg .
coaches over turning, out of control.
im still wondering if soon an event will happen , a situation will be tipped over the edge, over turned,
concerning Israel,
just joining the dots, and again just a thought observation.
Johnny
 
jasoncran said:
mdo757 said:
The term Anti-Christ is a general term for any opposition. The Jews who rejected Yahshua as the Messiah were the Kabbalistic and Hellenistic Jews, they were in control of the people and temple at that time.
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it can be in that sense, but there is THE anti-christ, that is the beast itself.

we have many small anti-christs since the time of christ but no one has been the Anti-christ.

his claims is that the whole nation and peoples of the jews who reside in or out of isreal will be that anti-christ.
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In Judaism it is strictly forbidden to claim divinity, but the Popes claim to be Christ incarnate.
 
Israel threatens to sink ship, even if the turkish priminister is on board.?

coaches. Rwanda, they stopped the coach, carrying the Rwandain football team, cut off the head of the driver, and ordered the players to play football with it, those that refused, they latter hacked of a leg. I have a coach licence, you only have to take out the driver, or like the Africain cup, where they targeted the coach with automatic gun fire.
johnny
 
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