A Christian shouldn't get sick.

[Mitspa]

In the old days it was funny to watch faith healers adjust their glasses ... contacts heal them?

Yea its kinda like a preacher telling someone that they are "clean" by the Blood and forgiveness of Christ? athough that preacher may still have some sin? Or that some may claim they are sure of Gods Love for them, when bad things happen to them? This "calling things that be not as if it where" where does that come from?

 

[eddif]

I might as well get my daily beating. LOL

III John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

John was wishing that their health would agree with their soul (in this case the folks were in truth and deserved health (?).

What if a persons soul is slipping into heresy? Would not a little sickness help them consider what is going on? A persons theology might not allow some to think this way. I used to confess sickness and had plenty of it. I now confess health, but if I were to get into error a wake up call would be nice (rod and staff do comfort me)

In the OT this was true.
Ecclesiastes 7:14 In the day of prosperity be joyfull, but in the day of adversity consider: God also hath set the one over against the other, to the end that man should nind nothing after him.

We can not determine our salvation by health (salvation is being written in the Lamb's book of life--faith). We can find hints as to what adjustments might be needed (this is the NT time and there is a little more leading of the Holy Spirit). A thorn in the flesh can keep us humble (I really do not want to try and explain this statement).

If I do get sick (for whatever reason) I do consider all the ups and downs of the situation. Maybe I do not find out why. I do however think that an answer might be there to be found, and direction of life is something I need (The Word, revelation, prophecy, health, or whatever means).

eddif

 

[reba]

<DIR>Joh 11:1 Now a certain man was sick, named Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha.
Joh 11:2 (It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.)

We all know the "rest of the story"

Do we KNOW the disciples did not get sick? Is there a Scripture passage telling us they did not become ill? The Word tell us 'we have everlasting life" yet this body dies.
I believe fully in His power to heal.
I will not as the Scriptures phrase it 'bear false witness' and say i am healed when i plainly know i am not.

There have been miracles of God in and about my family all my life... He sends the rain on the just and unjust.
Sure illness came into the world with sin.... If sin in our lives is the "personal' cause of illness, the 'sinners prayer', would then cause healing. Are we not washed clean in His Blood? This is not to say sins dont cause us to be ill like stress and anger etc... The common cold, mumps, measels are the same as anger etc.

Many who believe illness, is of sin in our lives also believe in an age of accountability. With that belief there should be zero sick children..
</DIR>

 

[Eugene]

III John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

eddif

Hi eddif, and I sure hope I don't come across as serving up a beating, but I do have a different slant of this verse.

2 Tim 1:8. Be not though, therefore, ashamed of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner; but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God.

1 Tim 4:10. For, therefore, we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the savior of all men, specially of those that believe. Repeating (2 Cor 11:30) using the NIV > Paul says, if I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness - It seems the sufferings he endured were counted by him as prosperous to his soul and life. He considered himself to be prospering and healthy only in the context of how his life was prospering in things pertaining to winning Christ (Philippians 3:8).

I hope it's evident that Paul at this time did not possess material wealth or bodily health, and in 1 Corinthians 11:1 Paul adjures us to follow Christ in the manner he does.

Blessings in Jesus' name.

 

[Eugene]

<DIR>Many who believe illness, is of sin in our lives also believe in an age of accountability. With that belief there should be zero sick children..
</DIR>

This is an excellent point I've never considered. Thank you.

 

[Drew]

Was Christ ever sick? Were his disciples sick?

I do not follow this. First, the gospel accounts are limited in terms of what they address. They never say that Jesus washed his clothes, but can we thereby assume He never did so? Second, Jesus died as a young man. Many people (myself included) were never sick (except for minor things not worth mentioning) before the age of 33.

 

[Mitspa]

I do not follow this. First, the gospel accounts are limited in terms of what they address. They never say that Jesus washed his clothes, but can we thereby assume He never did so? Second, Jesus died as a young man. Many people (myself included) were never sick (except for minor things not worth mentioning) before the age of 33.

Let me understand what you are trying to say? Are you suggesting that Our Lord Jesus, Who knew no sin, had sickness in His Body?

Religious folks will always look to justify their unbelief. Believers will always look to the Promises of God and trust in His Faithfulness. All the Promises of God are yes and amen in Him.
<dir>Jas 1:6

But let him ask in faith, nothing doubting: for he that doubteth is like the surge of the sea driven by the wind and tossed.
Jas 1:7

For let not that man think that he shall receive anything of the Lord;
</dir>

 

[reba]

Let me understand what you are trying to say? Are you suggesting that Our Lord Jesus, Who knew no sin, had sickness in His Body?

Sounds a bit like drinking dirty water...

 

[Free]

He's probably right. Was Christ ever sick? Were his disciples sick? They were with the Lord at all times. Why are some of us always with their family doctors and rarely with Christ?

Christians get sick. That's a part of living in a fallen world. Nowhere are we promised that we won't get sick or told that we shouldn't get sick.

 

[Mitspa]

Sounds a bit like drinking dirty water...

Wow! thats the same?

 

[Mitspa]

Christians get sick. That's a part of living in a fallen world. Nowhere are we promised that we won't get sick or told that we shouldn't get sick.

<dir>Psa 91:1


He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
Psa 91:2

I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
Psa 91:3

Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.
Psa 91:4

He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
Psa 91:5

Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
Psa 91:6

Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
Psa 91:7

A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.
Psa 91:8

Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
Psa 91:9

Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
Psa 91:10

There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.

All the promises of God in Him are yes and amen!
</dir>

 

[Mitspa]

I am withdrawing from any more post on this thread, not because I dont believe I can defend the position of healing, but I think it is causing some division on the forum And dont want Reba the chew me out again God Bless

 

[Blev]

I might as well get my daily beating. LOL


Well I wont be one beating up on you


III John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.


I used to confess sickness and had plenty of it. I now confess health, but if I were to get into error a wake up call would be nice (rod and staff do comfort me)

I'd rather pray/say what The Bible says the Lord has done for us, myself
....


If I do get sick (for whatever reason) I do consider all the ups and downs of the situation. Maybe I do not find out why. I do however think that an answer might be there to be found, and direction of life is something I need (The Word, revelation, prophecy, health, or whatever means).

I think its good to always take inventory to see if I did something to let the enemy in or its just the enemy is trying to hinder me to do what the Lord wants me to do.

eddif

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[tim-from-pa]

He's probably right. Was Christ ever sick? Were his disciples sick? They were with the Lord at all times. Why are some of us always with their family doctors and rarely with Christ?

I agree. I know I'm rarely at the doctor, and when I am, it's more for a confirmation diagnosis and I treat myself. Of course faith, along with knowing what God put on this earth to heal us is what helps one stay healthy. Once in awhile some medical care or some (temporary only) medications are in order considering we are the fallen creatures we are, sort of like calling the plumber when there's a major problem, but most guys can take care of their own house.

So, if a person goes to the doctor on occasion, that does not bother me, but what does bother me is that they "find something else wrong" and then proceed to say, "Here's a pill you'll have to take for the rest of your life" in which I know that any drug that "brings numbers down" are basically worthless. I would not be exaggerating to say I honestly believe 70% or there abouts of all doctor's visits are some form of contrived illness that a person can deal with themselves, without the drugs and doctor. And what bothers me more, is some nominal Christians say to me I better get to a doctor at my age for a check-up too just like them, and join them with all this worthless hype and meds on the worldly bandwagon. I'm surprised Christians can't see the diametrically opposed philosophy this is to Christ. I guess the Devil really did brainwash people. (Rev 12:9)

 

[Free]

<dir>Psa 91:1


He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
Psa 91:2

I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
Psa 91:3

Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.
Psa 91:4

He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
Psa 91:5

Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
Psa 91:6

Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
Psa 91:7

A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.
Psa 91:8

Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
Psa 91:9

Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
Psa 91:10

There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.

All the promises of God in Him are yes and amen!
</dir>

The key here is context, namely, verse 6. This is about not fearing "pestilence" and such, not about it not happening.

 

[Classik]

<dir>Psa 91:1


He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
Psa 91:2

I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
Psa 91:3

Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.
Psa 91:4

He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
Psa 91:5

Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
Psa 91:6

Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
Psa 91:7

A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.
Psa 91:8

Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
Psa 91:9

Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
Psa 91:10

There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.

All the promises of God in Him are yes and amen!
</dir>

God will help me claim His promises....tho I've been sick lately.

 

[Classik]

I agree. I know I'm rarely at the doctor, and when I am, it's more for a confirmation diagnosis and I treat myself. Of course faith, along with knowing what God put on this earth to heal us is what helps one stay healthy. Once in awhile some medical care or some (temporary only) medications are in order considering we are the fallen creatures we are, sort of like calling the plumber when there's a major problem, but most guys can take care of their own house.

So, if a person goes to the doctor on occasion, that does not bother me, but what does bother me is that they "find something else wrong" and then proceed to say, "Here's a pill you'll have to take for the rest of your life" in which I know that any drug that "brings numbers down" are basically worthless. I would not be exaggerating to say I honestly believe 70% or there abouts of all doctor's visits are some form of contrived illness that a person can deal with themselves, without the drugs and doctor. And what bothers me more, is some nominal Christians say to me I better get to a doctor at my age for a check-up too just like them, and join them with all this worthless hype and meds on the worldly bandwagon. I'm surprised Christians can't see the diametrically opposed philosophy this is to Christ. I guess the Devil really did brainwash people. (Rev 12:9)

Thanks. Interesting.

 

[Classik]

Perhaps good health is the Children's bread? :dunno Did God make us in His own image. I'm not (a Faith people who don't take medicine) but I'm beginning to see it that the devil is really deceiving peope and making them see something that isn't there. Does the blood heal. I believe one thing: if you have the right firewall - you won't be affeted by virus - and your computer laughs.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Perhaps good health is the Children's bread? :dunno Did God make us in His own image. I'm not (a Faith people who don't take medicine) but I'm beginning to see it that the devil is really deceiving peope and making them see something that isn't there. Does the blood heal. I believe one thing: if you have the right firewall - you won't be affeted by virus - and your computer laughs.

My stance is simply this: Once is a while (and notice I said once in a while) we may get ill. The spiritual reason is up to debate, and I won't bark at a Christian for seeing a doctor. But unlike years ago (and I'm old enough to remember such days), today they are totally bent on "finding something wrong" and warn you that you "need" these drugs for the rest of your life otherwise you'll get ill and die early. And rest assured, most drugs are NOT needed. But even "Christians" are duped and bamboozled into thinking they need them. Most generation x'ers 10- 20 years younger than me are already on at least two medications; I'm on none and doing great.

If anyone out there been taking stuff for high Cholesterol, "high" blood pressure, high blood sugar , or high anything else, you been hoodwinked --- big time, just making BIG PHARMA rich and yourself poor. Any by high, notice I said that put that in quotes because if anyone's awake out there, notice every year they lower and lower and lower the numbers so that nobody makes it. C'mon. Wise up. And we are supposedly Christians falling for that? I don't trust any organization with a snake for their insignia. Incredible. Simply incredible.

 

[tandemcpl]

Tim,

I think every Christian has heard the below joke, and I believe just like the truck, boat, and helicopter God put doctors on earth as a way to look after us.

GodWill Save Me​

There was an old man sitting on his porch watching the heavy rain fall when a national guard truck came by and the person in it said,"You can't stay here you have to come with us."

The old man replied, "No, God will save me." So the truck left.

A little while later the water was up to the second floor,and a rescue boat came, and again told the old man he had to come with them.

The old man again replied, "God will save me." So the boat left him.

An hour later the water was up to the roof and a helicopter approached the old man, and tried to get him to come with them.

Again the old man refused to leave stating that, "God will grant a miracle & save him." So the helicopter left him.

Soon after, the man drowns and goes to heaven, and when he sees God he asks him, "Why didn't you save me? I thought you would grand me a miracle and you have let me down."

God replied, "You idiot, I don't know what you're complaining about. I sent a truck, boat, and helicopter for you!!"

Be blessed.

Toby