A Saviour unto Israel ?

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The Greatest sin !

Jn 19:11

Jesus answered, “You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above. Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin.â€

National Israel has committed the greatest sin against God and Christ that can be imagined, in their rejection of Christ and crucifixion, this is in light of the privileges they enjoyed by that nation being the one that Christ according to the flesh would come, and all the shadows and types they were much favored with of His Person and Work, so much so that those things preached the Gospel to them Heb 4:2

For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.

Jesus said of them to pilate Jn 19:11

Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin.

John Gill writes:

Quote:
therefore he that delivered me unto thee, hath the greater sin; מן דילך, "than thine", as the Syriac version adds; and to the same purpose the Persic. Pilate had been guilty of sin already in scourging Christ, and suffering the Roman soldiers to abuse him; and would be guilty of a greater in delivering him up to be crucified, who he knew was innocent: but the sin of Judas in delivering him into the hands of the chief priests and elders, and of the chief priest and elders and people of the Jews, in delivering him to Pilate to crucify him, according to the Roman manner, were greater, inasmuch as theirs proceeded from malice and envy, and was done against greater light and knowledge; for by his works, miracles, and ministry, as well as by their own prophecies, they might, or must have known, that he was the Messiah, and Son of God: and it is to be observed, that as there is a difference in sin, and that all sins are not equal, the circumstances of things making an alteration; so that God's decree concerning the delivery of his Son into the hands of sinful men, does not excuse the sin of the betrayers of him.
And so God's Judgment towards them is with greater severity Rom 11:22

22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness,[f] if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

And the severity of the Divine Judgment is expressed in the Prophetic breathings of David the Prophet King Ps 69:21-28

21 They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.

22 Let their table become a snare before them: and that which should have been for their welfare, let it become a trap.

23 Let their eyes be darkened, that they see not; and make their loins continually to shake.

24 Pour out thine indignation upon them, and let thy wrathful anger take hold of them.

25 Let their habitation be desolate; and let none dwell in their tents.

26 For they persecute him whom thou hast smitten; and they talk to the grief of those whom thou hast wounded.

27 Add iniquity unto their iniquity: and let them not come into thy righteousness.

28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

As we will look at these imprecations, they are a recompense to them by God for their horrible sin !

 

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The Greatest sin !2


This Psalm 69 is very informative as to the Mind of God and Christ concerning the Judgment of national Israel for the Murder of Christ. They are called murderers. Matt 22:7

But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

Acts 7:52

Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

Now Vs 28 is quite severe and gives national Israel no hope of Salvation as a nation Ps 69:28

28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

In the Hebrew it reads " may they come not into your Righteousness" which is why as a nation they could never do this Rom 10:3

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

They as a national people shall never come into the experimental knowledge of the Righteousness of God that is made known in the Gospel to faith, so any future Salvation nationally for them is out of the question. God's Wrath began to be manifested under the New Covenant 1 Thess 2:14-16

14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

A Parallel version reads:

in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last.

Which can also read completely or forever!

The very fact that God's wrath [ the wrath] is upon them is a statement that Christ's Death did not propitiate God's Wrath for them

and that God's Wrath upon them ensures that they shall not see Life Jn 3:36


36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Which answers the imprecation request of Ps 69:8

28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

The nation of Israel shall be down always Rom 11:10

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

This means being in servitude and bondage, there is no hope of Christ setting them free as here Jn 8:34-36

34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

They shall not [as a nation] experience the Blessing of Ps 146:7-8

7 Which executeth judgment for the oppressed: which giveth food to the hungry. The Lord looseth the prisoners:

8 The Lord openeth the eyes of the blind: the Lord raiseth them that are bowed down: the Lord loveth the righteous:

But again, what saith the prayer of David against Israel Rom 11:10

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. Ps 69 !

 

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Israel are the Children of Promise !


Rom 9:6-8

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

They are this Seed Isa 45:25

In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

Everyone being deceived thinks this Seed of Israel are the physical descendants of Abraham, but its not, no they are Abraham's Children of Promise which are the Seed of Israel that shall be Justified in the Lord Jesus Christ.

In Genesis 22:16-17

16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the Lord, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:

17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

After Abraham passed the Test given him by God to sacrifice the Child of Promise, God did reaffirm a Promise already made to him notice Vs 17 The offspring God promised to multiply here are not Abraham's Physical descendants, but his Spiritual descendants, or other Children of promise as Isaac was here, so Paul writes to believers in Christ, both jews and Gentiles this in Gal 4:28

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

That's why Paul says in Rom 9:7

Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

For Isaac was a Type of that Seed Israel which would be called !

And these descendants of Abraham would e distinct from his physical descendants Rom 9:8.

So in essence God's promise to Abraham in Gen 22:17 was a Promise to multiply the Children of God or Promise, which as a consequence would produce people with Faith in Christ, because it is written Gal 3:26

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

The same Children of God as in Rom 9:8 ! See Gal 3:7 too !

Now the oath God made in Gen 22:17 was but a restating what God Promised Abraham in Gen 17:2-8

2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,

4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

And this is what the writer of Hebrews points to in Heb 6:13-14,17

13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,

14 Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.

17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:

And God's Immutable Counsel is anchored in His Eternal Purpose of Election as set forth in Eph 1:4,9-11 , The Heirs of Promise and the Elect in Christ are one and the same ! And that's Israel !

 

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Ruler in Israel !



Micah 5:2

2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.


Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Many erroneously believe that Israel in Micah 5:2 is the physical nation of Israel, Abraham's physical descendants, but its not. Its a Spiritual Israel comprised of both jew and Gentile believers, the Spiritual Seed of Abraham. You see Jesus is the predicted Ruler here, and His Kingdom is not of this World Jn 18:36

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

A Kingdom is literally :

The realm in which a king sovereignly rules

Always requires a king

The Kingdom Jesus was referring to was presently His Kingdom, MY KINGDOM, and it was not a future kingdom, but one He properly possessed at that very time, in fact, He presently had servants of that Kingdom, He was then currently King and Ruler of His Kingdom.

Jesus Kingdom and Rulership is foundation ed upon His Finished Work of the Cross, and Isaiah mentions it Isa 9:6-7

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given [To die under the Law]: and the government or rule shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government or rule and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Notice in this Rule of His Kingdom He orders it ! That word order means:

to be firm, be stable, be established

a) (Niphal)

1) to be set up, be established, be fixed

a) to be firmly established

b) to be established, be stable, be secure, be enduring

c) to be fixed, be securely determined

2) to be directed aright, be fixed aright, be steadfast (moral sense)

3) to prepare, be ready

4) to be prepared, be arranged, be settled

b) (Hiphil)

1) to establish, set up, accomplish, do, make firm

2) to fix, make ready, prepare, provide, provide for, furnish

3) to direct toward (moral sense)

4) to arrange, order

This He does by the Gifts and Gifted Persons He gave His Church Eph 4:8-12

8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Paul says also He set 1 Cor 12:18,28

18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

The word body is soma and means:

is used of a (large or small) number of men closely united into one society, or family as it were; a social, ethical, mystical body

And this does describe a Kingdom which is:


1. a territory, state, people, or community ruled or reigned over by a king or queen

Its a commonwealth of which the Church is Eph 2:12-14


12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one[commonwealth or Kingdom], and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

Christ is the Head of this Kingdom or Commonwealth.

Again a Kingdom is:

a state or government having a king or queen as its head.

And Christ is the King / Head of His Church !

Eph 1:22

And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

Col 1:18

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

The Church, His Body is the Israel He is ruler of Mich 5:2 !

 

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Acts 13:23 A Saviour unto Israel or His Body !



Acts 13:23

23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

Eph 5:23

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.

Christ being a Saviour unto Israel, is the very same thing as being the Saviour of His Body the Church !

And as Paul stated, Jesus was raised unto Israel or His Body the Church a Saviour !

Notice to in Acts 13:23, Christ being raised unto Israel a Saviour was not something yet to be future.

You see Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

God's Word of Promise was being fulfilled to Israel at Christ's Resurrection, the point is Israel was not the Israel everyone thought it was. Israel was the Body of Christ, He was raised a Saviour unto Israel the same as being a Saviour unto the Body Eph 5:23.

The word body means:

is used of a (large or small) "number of men closely united into one society, or family as it were; a social, ethical, mystical body";

Could not Israel be defined in this manner ? Well so is the Church, for the Church is nothing but the Family of Abraham's Seed Gal 3:29

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

If one belongs to Christ, He belongs to the Body of Christ, that Body which He is the Saviour of Eph 5:23

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.

Now understand something, the body here in the original is τοῦ σώματος, yes its preceded by the definite article, it is His One and only Body, there is no other body of people He is a Saviour to.

And it has been pointed out that this Body is the Abraham's Seed Gal 3:29 which is another way of saying Israel, so as the Saviour of His Body, He is the Saviour of Israel, the one Israel as its the one Body !

So Israel in Acts 13:23 is not, I repeat it is not the physical nation of Israel, but its Israel according to the Spirit, all the Seed of Abraham Chosen in the Seed of Abraham which is Christ. That Christ is the Seed of Abraham is confirmed Gal 3:16

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

But He is not Abraham's Physical Seed ! And those Chosen in Christ as His Body are Abraham's Seed, because they and Christ are One !

And it is to this Israel that He was raised to give Repentance unto Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel or His Body !, and forgiveness of sins.

And again, Repentance to Israel, to Israel is τῷ Ἰσραὴλ in other words He was raised to give Repentance to only Israel, the one and only, which would have to coincide with the Body of Eph 5:23 !

All who are Granted Repentance Acts 11:18 jew or Gentile is of Israel that Christ is the Saviour of !280

 

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Paul did not pray for the Salvation of national Israel !



Rom 10:1-4

Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Remember Paul had just written Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:


So what Israel is He praying for in Rom 10:1 ? Now understand, when Paul prays "for Israel , that they might be saved" meaning his kinsmen according to the flesh Rom 9:3-5

3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Yet Paul is not speaking or praying for a national conversion, for he knows that is not God's purpose, for the promise for that nation is only a remnant shall be saved as Rom 9:27

27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

That is only some of that nation shall be saved, a small remnant, and that's who Paul means in Rom 10:1 and Rom 9:3, he is speaking strictly of the remnant Rom 11:14

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

Notice them which are my flesh, the same as Rom 9:3, and here in Rom 11:14 he means to only save some of them, a remnant. There was a remnant within his flesh kinsmen according to the Election of Gace.

Notice also 1 Cor 9:19-22

19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

 

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In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified

Isa 45:25

25 In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

Justified and being saved are the same, Vs 17 says

17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Its no secret in scripture that Salvation / Justification or Everlasting Life has been promised to only one people by God, and that is Israel Isa 45:17

17 But Israel[Elect] shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Now who is " in the Lord here" here ? Its the Lord Jesus Christ and Everlasting Life/Salvation is in no other Acts 4:11-12

11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved or Justified.

And Vs 11 here makes it clear that any Salvation from God that the jews expected must come through Jesus Christ, whom as a nation they rejected

You see the the priests, elders, and Scribes these were the heads of the nation ! Also cp Vs 11 with 1 Pet 2:6-8

6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

Scripture states the Jesus was raised specifically as an Saviour to Israel, the Elect of God Acts 13:23

23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

What Promise ? Isa 45:17 ! For Israel's Salvation can be in no other Name !

 

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In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified 2

Now with these things in mind, The Salvation of Israel in Isa 45:17 was not a Promise to save all ethnic israel or the physical nation of israel made up of Abraham's natural seed as here Jn 8:37

37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

But from that seed God had promised that only a remnant shall be saved Rom 9:27

27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

You see what was not clear before, but shrouded in Mystery, was that the Israel that God had promised to Save and Justify Isa 45:17,25, twas not a promise to that physical nation though a small remnant from it was included, but the Israel of promised Salvation was Abraham's Spiritual Children that did include Gentiles of the Nations. Remember how God had told him this Gen 17:5

Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

This had to do with all his children brought to faith. Isa 45:25

25 In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel[or Abraham] be justified, and shall glory.

Rom 3:30

Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

Gal 3:8

And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

That fulfills God's Promise in Isa 45:25, because all the Justified ones by Faith are Abraham's Children God Promised him Rom 4:13,16

For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Yes, the seed here comprised of both jew and Gentile is the Seed of Isa 45:25 !

Abraham's Children Gal 3:7

Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.or Israel

So the Gentile Believers of that Seed Rom 4:16 and the jewish believers of that seed Rom 4:16 together make up that Israel that God Promised to Save in the Lord or that they shall be Justified in Him 284

 

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In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified 3

So the Gentile Believers of that Seed Rom 4:16 and the jewish believers of that seed Rom 4:16 together make up that Israel that God Promised to Save in the Lord or that they shall be Justified in Him .

This is made clear as to what Paul wrote in Eph 2 when speaking of Gentile Believers Eph 2:11-12

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Notice he writes of them that by nature they were strangers to the Covenant's of Promise [To Israel] like here Rom 9:4

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

Which included Covenant Promises of Salvation to Israel, as seen already Isa 45:17,25; now lets look at Lk 1:68-77

68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;

72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;

77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

But now by the Work of Christ, the Gentile Elect were fellowcitizens [with Israel of Promise] or the commonwealth of Israel and the household of God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob the God of Israel Eph 2:19

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

What Saints ? Deut 33:3

Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words.

Ps 16:3;30:4;31:23;34:9;37:28;Dan 7:18 !

Now understand this, If through Christ, the Seed of Abraham [Gal 3:16] are now fellowcitizens of the commonwealth of Israel and its Covenant Promises by the Gospel Eph 3:6

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Which Gospel Promise is Salvation in the Lord for Israel as Per Isa 45:17 through Christ, the Seed of Abraham, for Salvation for Israel cannot be in any other Acts 4:11-12, then we can rest assured, that by the grafting in of the Gentiles is how, as has always been God's way of Saving all Israel Rom 11:26

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

To look for any other Salvation for Israel is living a lie, a hoax, is to be deceived,a false hope !285

 

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The Olive Tree Romans 11:17,24

Romans 11:17,24

And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

The Good Olive Tree here in Rom 11 is Israel, however it is not national ethnic israel, even though during OT times it was comprised of mostly Abraham's physical descendants who were of national israel, however, when God began under the NT to graft Gentiles into the Olive Tree Israel [The Church], replacing the natural branches that had no root in the True Vine, and so broken off that that they should be grafted in , which did not mean that the Gentiles grafted in had to relocate into the physical land of israel. Thats because the Good Olive Tree Israel was not the literal physical nation, but a spiritual nation of believers in Christ who lived in that nation.

This observation alone should make it clear that the Israel of God, the Good Olive Tree, was not the physical nation of israel, and also makes it clear why Paul wrote Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

All the physical descendants of Abraham who made up national israel did not belong to the Olive Tree Israel which was made up of the Faithful, those who had God given Faith in the Jesus Christ ! And yes, the Good Olive Tree was the Church of Christ , which later said He was to build upon it Matt 16:18

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Yes, He had His Church then when He spoke those words. The word build is the greek word oikodomeō and means:


to restore by building, to rebuild, repair

Remember Acts 15:16

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: Cp

Amos 9:11

11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

Thats what Jesus means by building His Church by the addition of the Gentiles Acts 15:14-17

14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.286

 

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Acts 13:23 A Saviour unto Israel or His Body !2

The Promised Salvation of Israel as Per Isa 45:17

17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

The shall means that its been predestinated by God ! But this promise is nothing more than the promised Salvation by the Seed of the Woman Gen 3:15

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

The bruising of the serpents head by the Seed of the Woman brings about the Salvation Promised to Israel in Isa 45:17 Thats why Paul when Preaching stated that God when He raised up Jesus says Acts 13:23

23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

Folks Jesus is not the promised Saviour of nobody but Israel, God's Elect ! For Christ came to be the Saviour of one specific People notice Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people[Israel] from their sins.

This verse also speaks to the promise of Isa 45:17 !

And this is also His Body Eph 5:23

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.

In other words,He is the same Saviour to the same group of people in Acts 13:23 and Eph 5:23, yes thats right, Israel of Acts 13:23 is the same as the Church, Christ's Body in Eph 5:23 !

And understand, the People He came to save specifically Matt 1:21 is that people He is the Saviour of the Body in, the Church in Eph 5:23. The deceived and unlearned do not accept this, however it is the Truth nonetheless !287

 

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The House of David !

Zech 12:10

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

I know its commonly believed in man's religion that the House of David here is speaking of the ethnic jews, but its really not, or should I say that its not limited to only ethnic jews, but that it also takes into consideration God's Elect among the Gentile Nations ! Now how is it we know this ? Because Elect Gentiles are referred to as the Tabernacle of David here in Acts 15:14-18

14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

Now some may object and say this refers to the Tabernacle of David and not the House of David, but thats just apples for oranges, because they are the same thing. The word tabernacle, the greek word is skēnē:

tent, tabernacle, (made of green boughs, or skins or other materials)

2) of that well known movable temple of God after the pattern of which the temple at Jerusalem was built

Now the English word tabernacle adds more light it means also:

any place or house of worship, especially one designed for a large congregation.

So in this sense it was the House of David were the Chosen of God would Worship God.

Now James is actually quoting an OT Prophecy applying it to the Gentiles Amos 9:11-12

11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the Lord that doeth this.

Whereas in the context its about the restoration of Israel Amos 9:7-9 ! Either way God is promising mercy upon the People on which His Name is Called, whether jews or Gentiles, and any gathering of people in His Name is His House or tabernacle !

So the Tabernacle or House being built again is a Spiritual Tabernacle or Building or Habitation of God that includes Gentile Elect Chosen in Christ Eph 1:4 and Eph 2:21-22

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Yes these refer to Acts 15:14-16 which refers back to Amos 9:11-12 which refers to the rebuilding of Israel ! God was pleased to take out of the Gentiles a People for His Own Name, the Lord God of Israel.

Eph 2:22 says we [jew and gentile believers] are builded together for an habitation or house of God through the Spirit. What Spirit ? The Spirit in Zech prophecy Zech 12:10

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

By Spirit of Grace is meant no doubt the Holy Spirit as well as it does in Heb 10:29

And lets remember this same Spirit that was poured out on the jewish remnant of elect in Acts 2 was later poured out on the Gentile Elect in Acts 10 and Peter testifies of it Acts 11 :15

15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

Peter represented the jewish remnant of the House of David and Cornelius and his house represented the Gentile Remnant of the House of David recipients of the same Spirit of Grace Zech 12:10 !

This also proves that Israel Elect and the Church combined of both Jew and Gentile Believers are the same Chosen People of God Israel !

 

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Rom 11:2

2 God hath not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Know ye not what the Scripture saith of Elijah, how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

First let it be known that National Israel, in and of itself is not God's People, Abraham's physical descendants of that nation, according to the flesh, in and of themselves are not God's People. Who then are God's People, His Chosen People ?

First its all those who are the foreknown Rom 11:2

2 God hath not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Know ye not what the Scripture saith of Elijah, how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

And the foreknown of God are all those who have been predestinated to be conformed to the Image of His Son Rom 8:28-30

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

That goes for OT Believers as well as NT. What do you think the OT Patriarch mean by this ? Ps 17:15

As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness

That word likeness is the word image. Now what image can this be ? Its the Image of God in Christ, the Son. David's hope was the same as that of Paul's as here in Rom 8:29

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

2 Cor 4:4

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

David will wake up in God's Likeness in the Resurrection Morning because He will be raised completely conformed to the Image of Christ !

But Secondly, this passage also reveals who God's People are in Rom 11:5

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Yes, those foreknown in Vs 2 and the Election of Grace here of Vs 5 are God's People.

The same for the Election in Vs 7 Rom 11:7

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election [God's People foreknown] hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Sorry, but God does not blind His People !

Vs 4 tells us who God's People are Rom 11:4

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

Those God reserves unto Himself, those are His People.

Folks only a remnant in National Israel were God's People, and so it is in the world in general, the gentile world, only a remnant is God's People Acts 15:14

14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

You see that ? To take out of them a People, not all of them , but just a remnant.

So thats whom God's People are. If we believe the ethnic jews are God's People, we are greatly deceived. Yes some of them are, as well as some Gentiles are, and thats it !289

 

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They are not all Israel, which are of Israel

Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

That Covenant Elect Israel that God Promised this unto Isa 45:17

17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

That Israel is not and has never been National Israel according to the flesh, Abraham's physical seed or descendants and this is Paul's point here in Rom 9:6-8, for only one of the Israel's mentioned in Vs 6 is National Israel and the Other is Covenant Israel the Elect, the Chosen !

The Covenant Israel Elect is also the True Olive Tree of Rom 11:17

And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

This Grafting here into the Good Olive Tree is the Mystery of Israel of which Paul also means in Eph 2:12-15

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

The Israel of Vs 12 here is Elect Covenant Israel, not National Israel, again Rom 9:6 makes that clear ! You see the Covenants of Promise were made by God to Covenant Elect Israel, not the physical descendants of Abraham who had no Faith. God's Promises are only made to Faith, not to the flesh !

Now it was this True Olive Tree Israel, or Elect Israel, which a great many [national israel] were broken off from, and in turn a great many of Gentiles were grafted into it. Now by this fact alone, that of Gentiles grafted into [made one with] Covenant Elect Israel, the Good Olive Tree, it should enlighten us that the Good Olive Tree, Elect Israel, is not the Physical nation of israel, and that the grafted in Gentiles are now fellowcitizens and One with those of the Good Olive Tree Elect Israel [ The commonwealth of Israel Eph 2:12] and also it cannot be the physical nation israel because the Gentiles , now Grafted into Covenant Israel, the Olive Tree, are scattered all over the world, and not literally, and physically grafted into a physical nation ! Its a Spiritual Nation made up of People with Holy Spirit given Faith in Jesus Christ the Messiah !290

 

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Elect Israel and Elect Church the same !

We know the Church of the NT and the Elect remnant Israel, the Olive Tree in the OT are the same body by this, Paul calls the OT remnant of saints a Body and now says that the NT Saints are of that one Body Eph 2:16

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Eph 3:6

That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body [Of Elect Israel or Olive Tree, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

The word body means:

is used of a (large or small) number of men closely united into one society, or family as it were; a social, ethical, mystical body

To be more specific to contest of Eph 2, that One Body the Gentiles became One and the same with is seen in Vs 12

Eph 2:12

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

commonwealth means :

a fellow citizen, fellow countryman


the administration of civil affairs

2) a state or commonwealth

3) citizenship, the rights of a citizen


The Commonwealth of Israel, and in Vs 19 that Body was also the Saints or Household of God Eph 2:19

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

In the OT that was the Elect Remnant, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Moses....

They under the OT were Identified with National Israel; also look at Vs 14-15, the middle wall of partition and the OT laws of commandments and sacrifices and ordinances, all of which pertained to the OT People of Israel. Now remember calls them a Body in Vs 16 Eph 2:16

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Now look at 1 Cor 12:12-13

12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

This is the same Body of which the OT Saints were part of, The Good Olive Tree, but now being comprised of both jew and Gentile Believers, the Body of Christ. Yes the OT Saints, Patriarchs were believers in Jesus Christ and members of His Body too, for He is the Root of the Good Olive Tree Rom 11:16-18

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

Christ is the Root and Offspring of the House hold of the Saints Rev 22:16

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

But Now under the New Covenant, Gentile Believers spring from the Root, which is Christ !291

 

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Elect Israel and Elect Church the same !2

This Body which was the Commonwealth of Israel in the OT is now called a New Man as Per Eph 2:15

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

That is, the House of Israel will no longer consist of just jews, but in addition it will now include Gentiles, which is something new, because under the OC that was unheard of. The mistake is that we do not accept that the Household of the Saints or of God in the OT was the Body of Christ, but it was, but now under the New Covenant that Christ's Body takes on a different manifestation, composed of both jews and gentiles, which was not the case previously, then it was comprised of practically all of Abraham's Physical descendants who had been born again in national israel, but nevertheless Covenant Israel is the Body of Christ under Moses Heb 11:26

26 [Moses]Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.

Now under the Apostles as Eph 2:12 points out with Eph 2:18-20

The Gentiles who are believers by the Blood of Christ, are now first class citizens of the Commonwealth of Israel, so that makes them Israel. Remember how Paul was a Roman Citizen even though he was born a jew Acts 22:25-28, he was born with that roman citizenship, and every gentile believer has been born into Zion, a Citizen of Zion Ps 87:5

And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was born in her: and the highest himself shall establish her.

Yes, by New Birth they are Born a Citizen of Zion, the Commnwealth of Israel, the Good Olive Tree. Paul being born an ethnic jew could not change the fact that he also was born a Roman Citizen, a Gentile by nature, who is a born again believer, being a gentile by nature does not change him or her from being a True Citizen of Israel" Commonwealth !292

 

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So, is there a point you are trying to make here? Are you expressing a position to be challenged? Are you asking a question to inspire deep discussion?

All of above is applicable. Many today believe that Elect Israel and The Church, the Body of Christ are different people, however I have being showing that they are the same and why. It can be challenged, you can if you like to !

My issue is that if its challenged, show your work to dispute it, and don't go get a multitude of scriptures, and then challenge me to explain them, but explain your own bringings. That's being one sided.

 

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When we say that National Israel has been cast away and rejected by God, we do not mean by that, that there can never be any ethnic jews that God will save, save by Grace, for there are many that have been saved since the Cross, however, as a Nation of ethnic jews, as God's People, they have been forever cut off, no more shall it be Identified with Covenant, Elect Israel, the Good Olive Tree Rom 11:24

For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

They had this Identification solely because of their physical relationship to the True Israel of God, within the Nation. All ethnic jews as well as the Gentiles whom God gives Faith in the Messiah are saved and grafted into the True Covenant Israel.

Now also, no ethnic jew can claim any spiritual relationship with God based upon ethnicity, like what Jesus meant here Jn 8:39; Matt 3:9, whereas before they could claim a relationship with God.

But when an ethnic jew is given faith in the Messiah by the Grace of God, then what Paul means here happens Rom 11:23

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

But how is it that an ethnic jew will not continue in unbelief ? Look at vs 32

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Only by God having Mercy on them, and that is the only way a Gentile will not continue in unbelief.

God does not have Mercy on a ethnic jew because he is a ethnic jew, that would be showing respect of persons and racism, neither does He have Mercy on a Gentile because he is a Gentile or non jew, for that is respect of persons and racism, the reason however is because one had been chosen by Him before the foundation, to be the Election of Grace and Vessels of Mercy Rom 9:23-24

And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?