Bible Study A study on the Sabbath

[Elijah674]

God has the Eternal Gospel & His Eternal Covenant clearly seen in His Isaiah 8:20 verse for mans teaching & testing of truth. And in the New Testament His Word states both as Everlasting! See Rev. 14:6 & Heb. 13:20. It is impossible to have Truth without the two being united! It would be no different than to have in the Throne room of the Most Holy Place in heaven, the Ark of God with the Mercy Seat representing the Everlasting Gospel as the Righteousness of Christ.. yet, with the Ark being empty of the Eternal Covenant!? (the ten commandments) Or having the Ark with the Eternal Covenant inside, and then without the Eternal Mercy Seat of Christ! TRUTH requires ALL OF CHRIST! Rom. 8:1

It is impossible to separate! Heb. 13:8-9

Yet, we know that the one time covering cherub Lucifer, that stood above the Eternal Universal Covenant that is inside the Ark, and who was above the Mercy Seat that was the covering of the Ark in heaven, and now makes his primary attack against the very Law of the Universe! See Daniel 7:25. All through mankind's history we see 'professed' Christians go to 'evil' extremes from only law too only Gospel! Back and forth!

The GodHead has NO Pendulum of swinging back & forth! His Truth is anchored securely in place! If one would understand the Sanctuary Truth, (representing the Rock of our Salvation) they would come to understand this. See Psalms 77:13 Inspired verse. The Truth is clearly seen & understood inside of the Most Holy Place in heaven itself. Where Christ is now our heavenly attorney. (High Priest) When Christ died the 'Vail of separating the Holy Place from the Most Holy Place was rent from top to bottom by an unseen hand making the way into the heavenly, Most Holy Place' where the Ark of God is still Eternally in place, with the Covenant inside, and the Mercy Seat still above the 'broken' Covenant, where Christ now 'pleads our repentant on-going case'! And over the Mercy seat? There are still two covering cherubs with their wings covering the Ark of God! Yes, one of these two, replaced Lucifer there! See Eze. 28.

Psalms 77:13 is 'CHRIST' Rock Solid! It is the cast/aside one with the many names as seen in Rev. 12 that has the pendulum swing [away from the Most Holy Place truth!] We see he & his helpers described as '1/3 fallen stars', 'red dragon', 'old serpent', (deceiveth the *whole world) And called 'satan'. Also that his war was in 'heaven' itself!! Yes, Eze. 28 tells of another Truth using the King of Tyrus as an 'object' lesson about the Lucifer of Isaiah 14:12-14 as well.

You do recall Christ telling Peter to.. 'get behind me satan'? Well in Eze. 28 we see an ex/covering cherub that was created & once was in heaven! And the Bible only teaches Truth of only one rebellion in heaven! And over in Isaiah 14 we see his name, while he was a covering cherub. God named him Lucifer. We also see that his warfare was for the purpose of having himself to be worshiped! This was against the first table of stone, the GodHeads Eternal Covenant. This is where his warfare 'swings' about! "I WILL BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH" Verse 14 ibid.. He hates Christ with a devilish passion. And what does he zero in on in his attack? In 2 Cor. 3:3 we see that the Eternal Covenant is the very 'Epistle or Letter' of Christ!

Profession of Christ, without His Moral Character is 1/2 Truth! This is 'Who' 's'atan hates and where he directs his hatred! The Character of God is His Law of LOVE! (see Matt. 22:35-40)

And satan knows that the Eternal Covenant without the Eternal Righteousness of Christ is also No Gospel at all! So, all through history we see either all law, or No Law, with just a 'nothing' of profession in 'c'hrist. And each & every time we see satan at work, swinging his satanic 'pendulum masterpiece' from one extreme side of truth to the other! For he knows that it takes both together, to be 'in' Christ! Rom. 8:14. Law + Gospel!

We are now seeing right before [our eyes] what is taking place with the devil 'blinding' the eyes of the worlds professed Christians.
We see what No Covenant Law has produced!! (check openly inside your churches) We are in the time of trouble that is leading up to the Mark of the Beast!

The world & Christians have 'together' become Lawless! Now we will see the devil's pendulum swing the other way into, forced religion! (now comes his law of forced religion of worship to himself) Surely any worldings can see that all 'hell' so to speak, is now upon us? The Judgements of God were to come upon the old antediluvian world, Niniveh, and Sodom and Gomorrah, because they were LAW BREAKERS! Wicked!!

'Whosoever committeth sin trangresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law'" 1 John 3:4

Yes! We are next! (in fact you are already in the excellerating time of Matt. 24:21 you are seeing the next few verse starting to take place)

Friends, the world will do anything to get out of what they have brought upon themselves, except REPENT! (surely only a few will heed the Masters call as seen in Rev. 18:4) And only Eight souls went into the Ark, and only a few followed Christ out of Israel of old that made up the Remnant Church, of Acts, and Rev. 12:17 tells us of the repeat! The larger majority of earth's inhabitants will use the devils power of forced worship, they will follow their leaders forward in doing anything to get out of the JUDGEMENTS OF GOD!

And what will these ones then say about the GodHeads Covenant being NAILED TO THE CROSS? About THEIR 7th. day Sabbath being a rest only in Christ?? Think about their rest in God's 'flood', 'fire' & 'slaughter'?

Well friend, it is going to be interesting for me at least, to see these pendulum swingers do their flip/flop! You need to study Roman's 13 for yourself, for this is the book that all of these pendulum swinging ones will next need to botch/up! See Rev. 13:12-17

--Elijah

 

[Asyncritus]

Colossians 2: 16 is quite final on the matter, so I wouldn't bother reading all those books, Josh. However, now you've bought them...

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or a new moon, or a sabbath..."

This also indicates that Christ's authority (He is Lord of the sabbath) goes even back to Gen 2.

Hebrews 4 says 'There REMAINS a sabbath rest for the people of God...' In other words, it isn't now.

And Elijah, I beg of you not to shout quite so loudly. My retina gets frazzled with the powerful typefaces you insist on using.

 

[Elijah674]

Colossians 2: 16 is quite final on the matter, so I wouldn't bother reading all those books, Josh. However, now you've bought them...

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or a new moon, or a sabbath..."

This also indicates that Christ's authority (He is Lord of the sabbath) goes even back to Gen 2.

Hebrews 4 says 'There REMAINS a sabbath rest for the people of God...' In other words, it isn't now.

And Elijah, I beg of you not to shout quite so loudly. My retina gets frazzled with the powerful typefaces you insist on using.

So you go along with rome. (Dan. 7:25) OK! And hope that their 'shouting' does not bother you to loudly. But what you are hearing is.. & will take place regardless if we have retina trouble or not!;)

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[Nathan]

Colossians 2: 16 is quite final on the matter, so I wouldn't bother reading all those books, Josh. However, now you've bought them...

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or a new moon, or a sabbath..."

This also indicates that Christ's authority (He is Lord of the sabbath) goes even back to Gen 2.

Hebrews 4 says 'There REMAINS a sabbath rest for the people of God...' In other words, it isn't now.

And Elijah, I beg of you not to shout quite so loudly. My retina gets frazzled with the powerful typefaces you insist on using.

Not trying to nit pick here, but you do have to admit it(Christ's authority) goes back even further than Genesis. Seeing how it was ordained before the foundations of the earth, I would date it at pre-gen.

We actually do enter that rest, we enter through faith. And yet there remains an even greater rest afterward. Good things almost always come in three's.

 

[Nathan]

I would like to ask a question that pertains to this directly.

Was Jesus crucified on a Sabbath?

 

[Theofilus]

I would like to ask a question that pertains to this directly.

Was Jesus crucified on a Sabbath?

Jesus was crucified on the 14th day of Aviv (aka Nisan), which in that year was on a Wednesday. The next day was the first day of the feast of Unleavened Bread, which is a sabbath, whatever day of the week it falls on. That is why the gospels call it a "preperation day".

 

[Nathan]

Jesus was crucified on the 14th day of Aviv (aka Nisan), which in that year was on a Wednesday. The next day was the first day of the feast of Unleavened Bread, which is a sabbath, whatever day of the week it falls on. That is why the gospels call it a "preperation day".

So let me get this straight. Is the same word used in John 19 used in Colossians 2?

 

[cyberjosh]

I would like to ask a question that pertains to this directly.

Was Jesus crucified on a Sabbath?

What a great question. However at the moment I do not know for sure. However I know that I have seen lots of debate just on this single issue and people have arrived at different days for Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection based on whether the first day was not counted until evening or not. I honestly think this question is even deserving of its own thread. Your question is so simple and direct it would make a good OP IMO. Do you think that is a good idea, or no...?

P.S. I think I made an old post on something about the Passover a few years ago that may contribute to understanding this issue. I'll try to dig it up.

God Bless,

~Josh

 

[cyberjosh]

Jesus was crucified on the 14th day of Aviv (aka Nisan), which in that year was on a Wednesday. The next day was the first day of the feast of Unleavened Bread, which is a sabbath, whatever day of the week it falls on. That is why the gospels call it a "preperation day".

I've heard of that special Sabbath before (which actually occurs regardless of which day of the week it falls on). It was called a "high sabbath". I had only heard of it a few months ago when someone was posting on it in a thread.

See this thread (and this specific post): http://www.christianforums.net/f17/three-days-three-nights-28732/#post411758. That's where I first heard of it/noticed it. Veteran, I think, does a good job of explaing it (in as much as I actually understand it ).

Also while I was searching for that thread I found another thread that already asked what day Jesus was crucified on: http://www.christianforums.net/f15/what-day-jesus-really-crucified-8106/. But it's pushing 5 years old so a new thread wouldn't hurt anyway. :D

~Josh

 

[Nathan]

What a great question. However at the moment I do not know for sure. However I know that I have seen lots of debate just on this single issue and people have arrived at different days for Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection based on whether the first day was not counted until evening or not. I honestly think this question is even deserving of its own thread. Your question is so simple and direct it would make a good OP IMO. Do you think that is a good idea, or no...?

P.S. I think I made an old post on something about the Passover a few years ago that may contribute to understanding this issue. I'll try to dig it up.

God Bless,

~Josh

No. No need in doing that. I think that it might help this thread go deeper in the meaning of the Sabbath by digging this information up.

I have to admit, off hand, from very brief study, Jesus was not crucified on the Sabbath. But in fact it does say the day before. However, even the day before would not give way to be able to say that the Sabbath John 19 speaks of would be the 7th day of the week. It was a Sabbath, but not the Sabbath.

There would be no way, even with extending the days with evenings and such, to make it line up with the 7th day Sabbath and the first day of the week. Simply not enough time if Jesus was buried for 3 days and 3 nights.

One thing I hope we can learn from this is that the Sabbath goes beyond the 7th day also. The word Sabbath was used for much. So we should not be so quick to make assumptions that one person is talking about it in such a specific manner. It takes time and context to discover the intention of the writer.

 

[Elijah674]

What day was Christ crucified on? Here is a site for the Sabbath tie in.


Was Jesus crucified on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday?#

 

[cyberjosh]

No. No need in doing that. I think that it might help this thread go deeper in the meaning of the Sabbath by digging this information up.

I have to admit, off hand, from very brief study, Jesus was not crucified on the Sabbath. But in fact it does say the day before. However, even the day before would not give way to be able to say that the Sabbath John 19 speaks of would be the 7th day of the week. It was a Sabbath, but not the Sabbath.

There would be no way, even with extending the days with evenings and such, to make it line up with the 7th day Sabbath and the first day of the week. Simply not enough time if Jesus was buried for 3 days and 3 nights.

One thing I hope we can learn from this is that the Sabbath goes beyond the 7th day also. The word Sabbath was used for much. So we should not be so quick to make assumptions that one person is talking about it in such a specific manner. It takes time and context to discover the intention of the writer.

Yes, I think you have touched on what I was refering to as the "high sabbath". I like where you are going with this, because context is important. A favorite illustration for some to demonstrate this principle is how the word "leaven" is actually used once in a good sense/positive context when refering to the growth of the Kingdom of Heaven (Matthew 13:33), whereas in almost all other passages leaven refers to something negative and speaks of the spread of sin. One must examine the context or they will misapprehend the intention of what Jesus is trying to illustrate. Leaven does not in every case (here is the only exception) refer to sin, hence the importance of context. I can easily see why we would want to do this with studying passages on the Sabbath as well. And rightly did Elijah point out on the first page of this thread that there are "many" Sabbaths (even Sabbath years, and a Sabbath of Sabbath years called Jubilee - a time to release the captives and alleviate debt).

 

[Asyncritus]

So you go along with rome. (Dan. 7:25) OK! And hope that their 'shouting' does not bother you to loudly. But what you are hearing is.. & will take place regardless if we have retina trouble or not!;)

The fact of the matter is that they are all quite wrong.

The disciples 'broke bread' daily:

Acts 2:46

And day by day attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts.

You can see from this that Saturday or Sunday was immaterial to them.

After all, Jesus had said 'this do, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me'. 1 Cor. 11.25

There's no special day as far as He or the NT is concerned - so why the wars?

 

[Elijah674]

The fact of the matter is that they are all quite wrong.

The disciples 'broke bread' daily:

Acts 2:46

And day by day attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts.

You can see from this that Saturday or Sunday was immaterial to them.

After all, Jesus had said 'this do, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me'. 1 Cor. 11.25

There's no special day as far as He or the NT is concerned - so why the wars?

I smile at your spiritual 'posting' IQ?;) You & I also break bread daily.
---Elijah

 

[Nathan]

To get back on track here........lets throw something out there as it relates to the Sabbath.

Why does the writer in Hebrews make a distinction using words in verses 4 and then 9?

Why does he reference the Sabbath as the 7th day?

Hbr 4:4 For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: "And God rested on the seventh day from all his works."

Why not say;

Hbr 4:4 For he has somewhere spoken of the Sabbath in this way: "And God rested on the seventh day from all his works."

Could we be seeing something that leads us to a deeper understanding of the symbolics used in the OT? Why did they have feast days in which there were "Sabbath" days that had nothing to do with the 7th day? That is how we know it. The "Sabbath" means "7th day", right? Or are we seeing something else here?

I am not sure exactly what I am asking, so maybe someone can chime in and ask it for me.

 

[Theofilus]

So let me get this straight. Is the same word used in John 19 used in Colossians 2?

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I thought you were asking about on which day Christ was crucified. I don't see anything about that in Col. 2.

 

[Nathan]

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I thought you were asking about on which day Christ was crucified. I don't see anything about that in Col. 2.

Right. Sorry. Christ was crucified not on the Sabbath, but the day before. So, that means 'a' Sabbath was the next day. Therefore if the prophecy of Him being three days and three nights in the earth was true, then if He rose on the first day of the week, then the 'Sabbath' that is spoken of did not mean the 7th day of the week Sabbath.

However, the same exact word used for Sabbath in John 19 is used in Colossians 2. So, how can we pinpoint the Colossians 2 reference down to ALL Sabbaths?

The context just does not seem to fit in this particular case. I am not opposed to study, but I take great issues when we 'believe' something from traditional teaching, and the Bible speaks differently in other places.

What it causes is a chain reaction of lies to be spread. Even when we think we are 'doing' the right thing, anytime we 'add' something in from our own interpretation we pollute it.

God does not need us to add anything to it or remove anything away from it.

I like to use the illustration of if we take the "66" books and add man, "6", to it we then have.......

I'll let you guys do the math.;)

 

[Theofilus]

Right. Sorry. Christ was crucified not on the Sabbath, but the day before. So, that means 'a' Sabbath was the next day. Therefore if the prophecy of Him being three days and three nights in the earth was true, then if He rose on the first day of the week, then the 'Sabbath' that is spoken of did not mean the 7th day of the week Sabbath.

There were a few annual sabbaths as well as the weekly Sabbath. The ones I remember are:

• The first day of Unleavened Bread
• The Feast of Trumpets
• The Day of Atonement
• The first day of the feast of Tabernacles
• The last day of teh feast of Tabernacles

However, the same exact word used for Sabbath in John 19 is used in Colossians 2. So, how can we pinpoint the Colossians 2 reference down to ALL Sabbaths?

The word is the same, whether the Bible is talking about weekly or annual sabbaths. We need to look at the context to know which is being referred to, or whether it is talking about both. Regarding Colossians 2, I believe that chapter is often greatly misunderstood.

The Colossians were Gentiles who had left their Pagan ways and embraced Christianity. When they became Christians, they would have stopped celebrating Pagan festivals and following Pagan customs and traditions, and started following biblical traditions and customs, including the weekly and annual sabbaths. I believe that, rather than being judged by other Christians or non-Christian Jews for sticking to their Pagan ways, they were being judged by their old Pagan friends for holding to biblical traditions.

 

[Nathan]

There were a few annual sabbaths as well as the weekly Sabbath. The ones I remember are:

• The first day of Unleavened Bread
• The Feast of Trumpets
• The Day of Atonement
• The first day of the feast of Tabernacles
• The last day of teh feast of Tabernacles

The word is the same, whether the Bible is talking about weekly or annual sabbaths. We need to look at the context to know which is being referred to, or whether it is talking about both. Regarding Colossians 2, I believe that chapter is often greatly misunderstood.

The Colossians were Gentiles who had left their Pagan ways and embraced Christianity. When they became Christians, they would have stopped celebrating Pagan festivals and following Pagan customs and traditions, and started following biblical traditions and customs, including the weekly and annual sabbaths. I believe that, rather than being judged by other Christians or non-Christian Jews for sticking to their Pagan ways, they were being judged by their old Pagan friends for holding to biblical traditions.

Thanks Theo. That puts a new(to me) perspective on things. I am going to have to do more studying on that for sure.

Here is a yet another question to go along with this.

Why were those other days called Sabbath days? What is the significance behind this?

 

[Theofilus]

Thanks Theo. That puts a new(to me) perspective on things. I am going to have to do more studying on that for sure.

Here is a yet another question to go along with this.

Why were those other days called Sabbath days? What is the significance behind this?

The Hebrew word shabbat means rest. These days are called sabbaths because we are told to rest on these days. We are to rest from our ordinary work on these days and dedicate them instead to God.