A Warning for ALL of the Rev. 17:1-5 ones!

[Elijah674]

OK lets start here. First all Born Again ones are required to Obey the Holy Spirits Leading. (Acts 5:32) God created us! Adam & Eve were required this to be Born Again. (REBORN)

And John in 1 John 2 tells us that the Eternal Law is still if force! (compare Heb. 13:20) Note how he is Inspired to say this in...

1 John 1:4-8

[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
[6] He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

[7] Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an [[old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.]]

Now we hear that it is finished! (What a crock!)

But John goes on and tells us that the darkness is now past and the Born Again one knows [[when it is that they sin!]] And in 1 John 5:16 + 17 we find that when we fall short that we have Christ as our High Priest who has sent the Holy Spirit back to represent Himself over the whole world! So these ones do not need to do anything but Obey His LEADING. But when some New Truth is given along the way to full Maturity, we must quickly obey. [REMEMBER.. WE KNOW WHEN WE ARE SINNING!]

Are we PERFECT? No, but as we mature we will become more so! 1 John states in 3:4 that sin is the breaking of the law. And yet 1 John 1:6-10

[6] If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

[7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

[10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

OK: Now where does that leave us?? David in Psalms 19:13 tells about the sin of Presumption, lets read above the verse and then to the verse.

[7] The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
[8] The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
[9] The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
[10] More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
[11] Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
[12] Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.

Now we come to the danger of PRESUMPTION, when we have been Led of the Holy Spirit & reject His leading. (and John documents that we ARE LED)

Anything other than following His leading is PRESUMPTUOUS SIN. And your church & their teachings?? Learning the truth is just 1/2 of it, we must OBEY ALL OF IT!

Christ in Matt. 23:1-2

[1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
[2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
[3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. (the doctrines were not the trouble!)

(now back to where problems arise, after verse 12 David uses the WORD ALSO..)

[13] Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then [[shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.]]

Now lets see what 1 John 5:16-17 says?

1 John 5:16-17

[17] All unrighteousness is sin: and [[there is a sin not unto death.]]
[18] We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is [[begotten of God keepeth himself,]] and that wicked one toucheth him not.

One more?? OK, lets try James 1:15

[14] But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
[15] Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Now: How long had you been teaching things that you know are not the truth? [PRESUMPTUOUSLY] Your church’s doctrines? Are you living a presumptuous life? Just think about the little white lies! The first time it was done you knew that it was wrong, yet you did the same old thing over and over again until the Holy Spirit was grieved away. And the lies do not stop there! OSAS is one of the biggest lies that the devil has ever taught!

And the ever burning Hell tops the list of satan's garbage!

--Elijah

 

[JLB]

OK lets start here. First all Born Again ones are required to Obey the Holy Spirits Leading. (Acts 5:32) God created us! Adam & Eve were required this to be Born Again. (REBORN)

And John in 1 John 2 tells us that the Eternal Law is still if force! (compare Heb. 13:20) Note how he is Inspired to say this in...

1 John 1:4-8

[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
[6] He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

[7] Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an [[old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.]]

Now we hear that it is finished! (What a crock!)

But John goes on and tells us that the darkness is now past and the Born Again one knows [[when it is that they sin!]] And in 1 John 5:16 + 17 we find that when we fall short that we have Christ as our High Priest who has sent the Holy Spirit back to represent Himself over the whole world! So these ones do not need to do anything but Obey His LEADING. But when some New Truth is given along the way to full Maturity, we must quickly obey. [REMEMBER.. WE KNOW WHEN WE ARE SINNING!]

Are we PERFECT? No, but as we mature we will become more so! 1 John states in 3:4 that sin is the breaking of the law. And yet 1 John 1:6-10

[6] If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

[7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

[10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

OK: Now where does that leave us?? David in Psalms 19:13 tells about the sin of Presumption, lets read above the verse and then to the verse.

[7] The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
[8] The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
[9] The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
[10] More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
[11] Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
[12] Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.

Now we come to the danger of PRESUMPTION, when we have been Led of the Holy Spirit & reject His leading. (and John documents that we ARE LED)

Anything other than following His leading is PRESUMPTUOUS SIN. And your church & their teachings?? Learning the truth is just 1/2 of it, we must OBEY ALL OF IT!

Christ in Matt. 23:1-2

[1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
[2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
[3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. (the doctrines were not the trouble!)

(now back to where problems arise, after verse 12 David uses the WORD ALSO..)

[13] Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then [[shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.]]

Now lets see what 1 John 5:16-17 says?

1 John 5:16-17

[17] All unrighteousness is sin: and [[there is a sin not unto death.]]
[18] We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is [[begotten of God keepeth himself,]] and that wicked one toucheth him not.

One more?? OK, lets try James 1:15

[14] But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
[15] Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Now: How long had you been teaching things that you know are not the truth? [PRESUMPTUOUSLY] Your church’s doctrines? Are you living a presumptuous life? Just think about the little white lies! The first time it was done you knew that it was wrong, yet you did the same old thing over and over again until the Holy Spirit was grieved away. And the lies do not stop there! OSAS is one of the biggest lies that the devil has ever taught!

And the ever burning Hell tops the list of satan's garbage!

--Elijah

 

[Guest]

Are we PERFECT? No, but as we mature we will become more so!

 

[Elijah674]

Part One of Three: By Elijah

OK: For starters kid’o, you best read our WARNING above in the Rev, 22:18-19 for what is being done!
First off lets just check out what Acts 15 was all about? And if again, you can find anything of the Lords Eternal Ten Commandment Covenant there, it is because you put it there!

Acts.15
[1] And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

....

[4] And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
[5] But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to [[ command them to keep the law of Moses.]] [6] And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter._

OK: lets check some more Inspired Truth? And surely anyone can read & find who penned this Law called Moses Law, and that it was written by him & was recorded in [A BOOK OF THE LAW!]] (And even where it was kept? It was put in [THE SIDE OF THE ARK OF GOD,] and not INSIDE WITH THE ETERNAL COVENANT!
Deut. 31
[9] And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel. (and did you get the words there ‘Which BARE THE ARK OF THE COVENANT OF THE LORD!?)
......
[24] And it came to pass, when [[Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book,]] until they were finished,
[25] That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
[26] Take this [[book of the law]], and [[put it in the side]] of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. (even hang on to this ‘witness against you’ word for later use!)

Another good verse or two telling Eternity that the laws of Moses are not the Eternal Covenant of the Godhead, is that of 1 Kings 8

[6] And the priests brought in the ark of [[the covenant]] of the LORD unto his place, into the oracle of the house, to the most holy place, even under the wings of the cherubims.
[7] For the cherubims spread forth their two wings over the place of the ark, and the cherubims covered the ark and the staves thereof above.
[8] And they drew out the staves, that the ends of the staves were seen out in the holy place before the oracle, and they were not seen without: and there they are unto this day.
[9] There was nothing in the ark save the two tables of stone, which Moses put there at Horeb, when the LORD made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.
[10] And it came to pass, when the priests were come out of the holy place, that the cloud filled the house of the LORD,..’ (and you talk of meat & drink having been seen in the Arks contents? But later on Moses rod that budded was laid in the Ark)

(Part two will follow)

 

[JLB]

Now we hear that it is finished! (What a crock!)

Why do you think what Jesus said is a crock?


JLB

 

[JLB]

OK lets start here. First all Born Again ones are required to Obey the Holy Spirits Leading. (Acts 5:32) God created us! Adam & Eve were required this to be Born Again. (REBORN)

And John in 1 John 2 tells us that the Eternal Law is still if force! (compare Heb. 13:20) Note how he is Inspired to say this in...

1 John 1:4-8

[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
[6] He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

[7] Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an [[old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.]]

Now we hear that it is finished! (What a crock!)

But John goes on and tells us that the darkness is now past and the Born Again one knows [[when it is that they sin!]] And in 1 John 5:16 + 17 we find that when we fall short that we have Christ as our High Priest who has sent the Holy Spirit back to represent Himself over the whole world! So these ones do not need to do anything but Obey His LEADING. But when some New Truth is given along the way to full Maturity, we must quickly obey. [REMEMBER.. WE KNOW WHEN WE ARE SINNING!]

Are we PERFECT? No, but as we mature we will become more so! 1 John states in 3:4 that sin is the breaking of the law. And yet 1 John 1:6-10

[6] If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

[7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

[10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

OK: Now where does that leave us?? David in Psalms 19:13 tells about the sin of Presumption, lets read above the verse and then to the verse.

[7] The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
[8] The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
[9] The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
[10] More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
[11] Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
[12] Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.

Now we come to the danger of PRESUMPTION, when we have been Led of the Holy Spirit & reject His leading. (and John documents that we ARE LED)

Anything other than following His leading is PRESUMPTUOUS SIN. And your church & their teachings?? Learning the truth is just 1/2 of it, we must OBEY ALL OF IT!

Christ in Matt. 23:1-2

[1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
[2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
[3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. (the doctrines were not the trouble!)

(now back to where problems arise, after verse 12 David uses the WORD ALSO..)

[13] Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then [[shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.]]

Now lets see what 1 John 5:16-17 says?

1 John 5:16-17

[17] All unrighteousness is sin: and [[there is a sin not unto death.]]
[18] We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is [[begotten of God keepeth himself,]] and that wicked one toucheth him not.

One more?? OK, lets try James 1:15

[14] But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
[15] Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Now: How long had you been teaching things that you know are not the truth? [PRESUMPTUOUSLY] Your church’s doctrines? Are you living a presumptuous life? Just think about the little white lies! The first time it was done you knew that it was wrong, yet you did the same old thing over and over again until the Holy Spirit was grieved away. And the lies do not stop there! OSAS is one of the biggest lies that the devil has ever taught!

And the ever burning Hell tops the list of satan's garbage!

--Elijah

Funny, I don't see one mention of Revelation 17:1-5 in your "post".

 

[Elijah674]

Part One of Three: By Elijah

OK: For starters kid’o, you best read our WARNING above in the Rev, 22:18-19 for what is being done!
First off lets just check out what Acts 15 was all about? And if again, you can find anything of the Lords Eternal Ten Commandment Covenant there, it is because you put it there!

Acts.15
[1] And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

....

[4] And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
[5] But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to [[ command them to keep the law of Moses.]] [6] And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter._

OK: lets check some more Inspired Truth? And surely anyone can read & find who penned this Law called Moses Law, and that it was written by him & was recorded in [A BOOK OF THE LAW!]] (And even where it was kept? It was put in [THE SIDE OF THE ARK OF GOD,] and not INSIDE WITH THE ETERNAL COVENANT!
Deut. 31
[9] And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel. (and did you get the words there ‘Which BARE THE ARK OF THE COVENANT OF THE LORD!?)
......
[24] And it came to pass, when [[Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book,]] until they were finished,
[25] That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
[26] Take this [[book of the law]], and [[put it in the side]] of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. (even hang on to this ‘witness against you’ word for later use!)

Another good verse or two telling Eternity that the laws of Moses are not the Eternal Covenant of the Godhead, is that of 1 Kings 8

[6] And the priests brought in the ark of [[the covenant]] of the LORD unto his place, into the oracle of the house, to the most holy place, even under the wings of the cherubims.
[7] For the cherubims spread forth their two wings over the place of the ark, and the cherubims covered the ark and the staves thereof above.
[8] And they drew out the staves, that the ends of the staves were seen out in the holy place before the oracle, and they were not seen without: and there they are unto this day.
[9] There was nothing in the ark save the two tables of stone, which Moses put there at Horeb, when the LORD made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.
[10] And it came to pass, when the priests were come out of the holy place, that the cloud filled the house of the LORD,..’ (and you talk of meat & drink having been seen in the Arks contents? But later on Moses rod that budded was laid in the Ark)

(Part two will follow)

Part Two of Three:


And Exod. 25
[8] And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.
[9] According to all that I shew thee, [[after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.]][10] And they shall make an ark of ...banned word deleted here...tim wood:
....
[16] And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee. (and again, go read the ten Commandments for what the COMMANDMENTS ARE. Nothing to do with Moses laws!)


Eze. 20...
[25] Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live; (and if you can locate any of these in the Eternal Covenant, you best understand whose DESIRE.. you desire!)

Now for Col. 2 (do you remember the words of... ‘Wittness against you’?)
[14] [[[Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances]]] that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
(again! there is NO Eternal Covenant even hinted at in these verses! That false teaching is from another source. And what Commandment is against any Born Again Christian?? Read Psalms 119, and then zero in on verse 13!)

[15] And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
[16] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: (one dude even jumps to another translation with sabbath days, to get singular day (?) instead of the plural of Moses ceremonial laws) See 2 Cor. 4:2!
[17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Let see Eph. 2 next!
[15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments [[contained in ordinances;]] for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: (And again & again, where is there ANY ENMITY found in the Godheads [PERFECT LAW OF LIBERTY!!] (you see Dan. 7:25 for that answer!)

(and these ‘birds’ post that this law was the Eternal Covenant & that it is FINISHED)

In Gal. 3 we see something ADDED! What law was this?
[18] For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
[19] Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Hey, THINK! To have sin with a law for salvation needed, there had to be the Eternal Covenant which was broken to now have this need of Moses law of ordinances! Got that?? NO??? Well then, here is the ETERNAL TRUTH! ...
1 John 3
[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

(Part three will follow)

 

[reba]

pleased you got it figured out

 

[Elijah674]

pleased you got it figured out

But I haven't! ;) I just sent post three with the same 'mess up!' It is short, but will leave it for another day!
Thanks for your time! --Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

OK lets start here. First all Born Again ones are required to Obey the Holy Spirits Leading. (Acts 5:32) God created us! Adam & Eve were required this to be Born Again. (REBORN)

And John in 1 John 2 tells us that the Eternal Law is still if force! (compare Heb. 13:20) Note how he is Inspired to say this in...

1 John 1:4-8

[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
[6] He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

[7] Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an [[old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.]]

Now we hear that it is finished! (What a crock!)

But John goes on and tells us that the darkness is now past and the Born Again one knows [[when it is that they sin!]] And in 1 John 5:16 + 17 we find that when we fall short that we have Christ as our High Priest who has sent the Holy Spirit back to represent Himself over the whole world! So these ones do not need to do anything but Obey His LEADING. But when some New Truth is given along the way to full Maturity, we must quickly obey. [REMEMBER.. WE KNOW WHEN WE ARE SINNING!]

Are we PERFECT? No, but as we mature we will become more so! 1 John states in 3:4 that sin is the breaking of the law. And yet 1 John 1:6-10

[6] If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

[7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

[10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

OK: Now where does that leave us?? David in Psalms 19:13 tells about the sin of Presumption, lets read above the verse and then to the verse.

[7] The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
[8] The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
[9] The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
[10] More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
[11] Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
[12] Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.

Now we come to the danger of PRESUMPTION, when we have been Led of the Holy Spirit & reject His leading. (and John documents that we ARE LED)

Anything other than following His leading is PRESUMPTUOUS SIN. And your church & their teachings?? Learning the truth is just 1/2 of it, we must OBEY ALL OF IT!

Christ in Matt. 23:1-2

[1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
[2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
[3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. (the doctrines were not the trouble!)

(now back to where problems arise, after verse 12 David uses the WORD ALSO..)

[13] Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then [[shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.]]

Now lets see what 1 John 5:16-17 says?

1 John 5:16-17

[17] All unrighteousness is sin: and [[there is a sin not unto death.]]
[18] We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is [[begotten of God keepeth himself,]] and that wicked one toucheth him not.

One more?? OK, lets try James 1:15

[14] But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
[15] Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Now: How long had you been teaching things that you know are not the truth? [PRESUMPTUOUSLY] Your church’s doctrines? Are you living a presumptuous life? Just think about the little white lies! The first time it was done you knew that it was wrong, yet you did the same old thing over and over again until the Holy Spirit was grieved away. And the lies do not stop there! OSAS is one of the biggest lies that the devil has ever taught!

And the ever burning Hell tops the list of satan's garbage!

--Elijah

PS: It is not possible for one that is led by the Holy Ghost to stand STILL (Rom. 8:14) when NEW Truth is advanced! (not for long!)
OK: Now with that being CLEARLY stated, how does one see an eternally burning hell with immortal sinner in it? Just more very false teachings! Or the claim that one has a 'soul' outside of a body? Gen. 3:4 that is clearly taught as satan desires! And then it is claimed that IT IS FINISHED!! Yet we see one of the Leading angels tell John that there is NO WAY to worship him in bowing down to him as seen in Rev. 22:8-9, and he even documents that all the prophets are OBEDIENT to the ETERNAL LAW of God as well!