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ABC's "V" Series - End Time Alien Deception?

1 Pet 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
(KJV)

Doesn't matter what one calls it, nor in what language, the word "hell" suffices to get the point across...

Luke 16:23-26
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, "Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

The Greek for "flame" is phlox by the way, which means literally 'a flame or blaze'!

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
(KJV)
 
veteran said:
1 Pet 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
(KJV)

Doesn't matter what one calls it, nor in what language, the word "hell" suffices to get the point across...

Luke 16:23-26
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, "Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

The Greek for "flame" is phlox by the way, which means literally 'a flame or blaze'!

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
(KJV)
I do not believe that the story of the rich man and lazarus is a biblical parable told by Yahshua. The reason I do not believe Yahshua spoke those words is this:
 
The Rich Man and Lazarus
Luke 16:19.
"There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
Wealth, comfort, poverty, and suffering have nothing to do with a person’s salvation.

22"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
The word messenger is replaced with the word angel. And assuming that this is a parable, there would be no need for Lazarus to be carried to Abraham, and before the resurrection. As for being in Hell and torment and agony; that contradicts the verse that says the dead know nothing. It also is a contradiction where scripture says that Yahwah kills the condemned. In regards to the water on the finger; that would evaporate before it even got to a person. It also contradicts where God said “you will surly die.â€

25"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'

Again I say to you that wealth and poverty has nothing to do with the resurrection of the righteous. There is one truth in all of this, and that there is a chasm that has been set in place; and that is called death of the condemned, which are killed by Yahwah. There is no life for them afterward.

27"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'

29"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'

30" 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'
31"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "

These are obviously the words of a dim wit, and not the words of an ancient being. No place in these verses is credit given to Yahwah, but only to Moses and the prophets; which would be unlike Yahshua to exclude Him in matters of life and death.

Hell is a pagan belief and part of the Pagan religion. Why would Yahshua use a nonexistent biblical teaching for which he never explains afterward? Before the return from Babylon, Judaism never taught the concept of hell. After the return from Babylon the Hellenistic and Kabbalistic Jews began to introduce Hell into Judaism.

Yahshua never identified the story as a parable, and never explained the relevance as he did in other legitimate parables.
Yahshua, being an ancient being full of knowledge and wisdom, would have had the good sense to explain the new concept. Obviously the story of “The Rich Man and Lazarus†are the words of some man introducing the Pagan concept of Hell.

Genesis 2:17
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."

Genesis 3:3
but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "

Genesis 3:4
"You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman.

Genesis 18:25
Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?"

Luke 20:16
"What then will the owner of the vineyard do to them? He will come and kill those tenants and give the vineyard to others." When the people heard this, they said, "May this never be!"

Ecclesiastes 9:5
For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even the memory of them is forgotten.

Revelation 20:14
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
Most likely the word Hades replaced the word Gehenna or grave when translated.

Revelation 21
The New Jerusalem
1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
5 He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true."
6 He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."
 
Christ gave the story of Lazarus and the rich man to show THERE'S A GOOD PLACE TO GO IN HEAVEN, AND THEN THERE'S A BAD PLACE ONE CAN GO IN HEAVEN.


Rev 12:7-8
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
(KJV)

After that war with Michael, Satan's place in heaven will be no more. That's the side in heaven Christ was pointing to with the "rich man" being in torments of fiery flame. That's the side in heaven Peter showed where Christ went to preach to the spirits in prison. Both accounts agree with each other.

The idea of the last two verses is simple, once it's actually read...

Luke 16:30-31
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
(KJV)

Very simple, our Lord's meaning; likewise with the blind Pharisees Jesus was telling that story among, if they won't listen to what's written through Moses' and the OT prophets, then neither would they listen to someone who rose from the dead (pointing to Christ's later crucifixion and resurrection). Christ had not yet suffered on the cross when He gave that story. There's absolutely NOTHING in that to show someone other than Christ said that. Instead, it points directly to the type of rebuke He would give to false prophets and blind scribes and Pharisees. Christ gave them an even greater rebuke in John 8.
 
And God called the firmament heaven.

Genesis 1:6
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9. And God said, Let the waters [under/below] the Heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.


Luke 17:20-21
20Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is among you."


Revelation 12:7
And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.

The word "heaven" literally means place-s. Earth is also a heaven.
 
If God is a liar, then there is no death, and the Serpent told the truth saying "you will not surly die." If there is life in hell, then God is a liar.
 
so paul was talking about the location of the lord in outer space?

did you ever think that theres a death of body which all face , then the death of the spirit, again all are there. and the death of the soul upon judgement, this death is when men are permanetly separated from the lord. but then if hell is death and that only. where is satan as he is bound for 1000yrs and also when death it self is cast into the lake of fire, and we are in hades(the lost). you might think that is eternal damnation.
 
jasoncran said:
so paul was talking about the location of the lord in outer space?

did you ever think that theres a death of body which all face , then the death of the spirit, again all are there. and the death of the soul upon judgement, this death is when men are permanetly separated from the lord. but then if hell is death and that only. where is satan as he is bound for 1000yrs and also when death it self is cast into the lake of fire, and we are in hades(the lost). you might think that is eternal damnation.
Both body and spirit make a living soul. A body without a spirit is dead, and a spirit without redemption dies in the second death. The word "Satan" is parabolic, not literal. God created the concept of good and evil, and since the beginning mankind has been tested to see what we will become. We are told the truth in parables. It is not wise to trust men to correctly translate scriptures; and since the beginning the true believers have been in a struggle against those who would pervert the words of God. Our satan says there is no death. And that is how we can know who the satan is. Because God and Christ say that we will surly die if we do not repent. Hell has been very profitable for the Catholic Church. Judaism has never taught the concept of Hell. It is not scriptural. Did we need Pagans to add that to scriptures? If everyone would study to see if I spoke the truth, then there would be no need to keep having this conversation.
 
really hmm i am of hebrew decent, they believe in it if i recall correctly.

thus the hebrews call the gentiles fuel for the fires of hell.
 
jasoncran said:
really hmm i am of hebrew decent, they believe in it if i recall correctly.

thus the hebrews call the gentiles fuel for the fires of hell.
Kabbalistic Jews believe in Hell, and Orthodox Jews do not. Paganized Jews do not count.
 
mdo757 said:
jasoncran said:
really hmm i am of hebrew decent, they believe in it if i recall correctly.

thus the hebrews call the gentiles fuel for the fires of hell.
Kabbalistic Jews believe in Hell, and Orthodox Jews do not. Paganized Jews do not count.
really, i am of hebrew decent and my grandparents are orthodox!
she has done the mourners kaddish and in that theres a prayer in which similar to the purgatory that the rcc. if the deceased isnt prayed and he is evil, he will see eternal punishment.

i have hebrew relatives on fb that bear my last name and probably still go to the temple, or i good ask my dad he was raised in it.

my grandpa taught hebrew.

i am born agian.
 
jasoncran said:
mdo757 said:
jasoncran said:
really hmm i am of hebrew decent, they believe in it if i recall correctly.

thus the hebrews call the gentiles fuel for the fires of hell.
Kabbalistic Jews believe in Hell, and Orthodox Jews do not. Paganized Jews do not count.
really, i am of Hebrew decent and my grandparents are orthodox!
she has done the mourners kaddish and in that there's a prayer in which similar to the purgatory that the rcc. if the deceased isn't prayed and he is evil, he will see eternal punishment.

i have Hebrew relatives on fb that bear my last name and probably still go to the temple, or i good ask my dad he was raised in it.

my grandpa taught Hebrew.

I am born agian.
In Orthodox Judaism eternal punishment is the death of the spirit, were there is no chance of ever living again. The Orthodox Jews are unified in that belief, and always have been. Judaic Christians are also unified in that same belief. Now there is what is called Gehenna, but it is also parabolic for eternal destruction. A literal destruction, but not a literal place. Copy what I wrote here, and show it to an Orthodox Jew, and they will agree with what I said, because they are unified in that belief.
 
then why hub hub about the gentiles being the fuel for the fire something that isnt real?
odd if its only spitural.
 
jasoncran said:
then why hub hub about the gentiles being the fuel for the fire something that isnt real?
odd if its only spitural.
I do not understand you. Please rephrase by re-editing.
 
jews often dont believe( not all) gentiles are to be dated and so on, they arent acceptable persons unto the lord. and they also see them hebrew race as better then the others(this is rare).

they see the gentiles simply made for the fuel(as they die and are wicked by nature and are burned up flaming the hells flames).
literally.
 
jasoncran said:
jews often dont believe( not all) gentiles are to be dated and so on, they arent acceptable persons unto the lord. and they also see them hebrew race as better then the others(this is rare).

they see the gentiles simply made for the fuel(as they die and are wicked by nature and are burned up flaming the hells flames).
literally.
For sure there are Orthodox Jews who are high minded. So what's new! Orthodox Jews use the term Gehenna. Gehenna, gehinnam, or gehinnom (Hebrew: ?????, ????, Greek ??????) are terms derived from a geographical site in Jerusalem known as the Valley of Hinnom, one of the two principal valleys surrounding the Old City.

Initially the site where followers of Ba'al Moloch sacrificed their children by fire (2 Chr. 28:3, 33:6; Jer. 7:31, 19:2-6), the valley later became the common waste-yard for all the refuse of Jerusalem. Here the dead bodies of animals and rubbish were cast and consumed by a constant fire. The word "fire" is often used in scriptures to mean "judgement." Isaiah 66:24, "where their worm does not die" is cited by Jesus in reference to Gehenna in Mark 9:48." The words "where their worm does not die" are parabolic for eternal destruction.
 
for you a lot of things seem to be parabolic 757, yet you don't even know the difference between a holy and a profane Bible?

So if i understand that correctly you suggest you cannot trust any english Bible because God cannot be trusted to preserve His word?

how can you ever believe anything anywhere then? Mix & match what seems right to you? especially since Jesus talked about hell more than anyone?

And by implication you seem to suggest that after purification of 7 times the last version of His word is less reliable than the first. Hey, even a simple mind can tell you that the last of the trustworthy line is the purest !! That's what purification means, it's an actual improvement. You seem to not want to trust anyone except your own understanding. God is not able to use who ever he wishes to do His work, especially for something that important?

Don't you understand that this is first a question of faith in the existence and integrity of God, and only then a work of intellectual study to find confirmation?

besides, do you know what brimstone is? It's sulfur. And do you know where sulfur or brimstone is found?

INSIDE the earth ! - Revelation 14:10
 
Geo said:
for you a lot of things seem to be parabolic 757, yet you don't even know the difference between a holy and a profane Bible?

So if i understand that correctly you suggest you cannot trust any english Bible because God cannot be trusted to preserve His word?

how can you ever believe anything anywhere then? Mix & match what seems right to you? especially since Jesus talked about hell more than anyone?

And by implication you seem to suggest that after purification of 7 times the last version of His word is less reliable than the first. Hey, even a simple mind can tell you that the last of the trustworthy line is the purest !! That's what purification means, it's an actual improvement. You seem to not want to trust anyone except your own understanding. God is not able to use who ever he wishes to do His work, especially for something that important?

Don't you understand that this is first a question of faith in the existence and integrity of God, and only then a work of intellectual study to find confirmation?

besides, do you know what brimstone is? It's sulfur. And do you know where sulfur or brimstone is found?

INSIDE the earth ! - Revelation 14:10
What kind of person likes to twist other peoples words? If you want to trust and follow the Catholic Church then that is your right having free will. If you can not acknowledge that the bible often uses parables, then you are what? :study
 
The most evil a person can do is convince people that there is penalty in death. For there is only one purpose behind this mistrust, and that is control.
 
how about a healthy dose of reality,

watch this film in a moment when you lean less on your own understanding and are receptive for eyewitness reports:

"To Hell and Back"

http://www.freecdtracts.com/testimony/hellandback.htm

that's by a heart surgeon that has seen 1000's die and go to hell & being vocal about it. Some clinically revitalized came back to tell.
 
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