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After Death/Now or Later - Rest/Judgement or Heaven/Hell

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1. Are we resting in our graves waiting for judgement, or are we judged and sent to heaven/hell now.
2. Is Heaven/Hell filled up with the righteous and sinners right now or is it empty for the time being. 2 Corinthians 12:2 & 2 Kings 2:11.
3. Do only certain prophets go to heaven and the rest have to wait.
4. Why all the testimonies in the world about people seeing the white light or visiting heaven and hell now.
 
1. Are we resting in our graves waiting for judgement, or are we judged and sent to heaven/hell now.
Absent from the body, present with the Lord.

2. Is Heaven/Hell filled up with the righteous and sinners right now or is it empty for the time being. 2 Corinthians 12:2 & 2 Kings 2:11.
Empty, which appears to be at odds with my statement above. However, I believe when we die, we transcend the space/time continuum of this plane of existence and pass into what would be considered our "future" form this vantage point.

3. Do only certain prophets go to heaven and the rest have to wait.
Nope, everybody gets his judgment and his reward immediately upon dying from this lfie.

4. Why all the testimonies in the world about people seeing the white light or visiting heaven and hell now.
Because of their immediate ascension to judgment before God upon their "deaths" -- it will be the same for all of us.
 
Absent from the body, present with the Lord.

Empty, which appears to be at odds with my statement above. However, I believe when we die, we transcend the space/time continuum of this plane of existence and pass into what would be considered our "future" form this vantage point.

Nope, everybody gets his judgment and his reward immediately upon dying from this lfie.

Because of their immediate ascension to judgment before God upon their "deaths" -- it will be the same for all of us.

If heaven is empty right now, how are we present with the Lord after death? If heaven is empty right now, why would we receive judgement now? What about the scriptures I posted. I thought that right after we die comes judgement, then we go straight to heaven or hell. Lastly, these people didn't just experience the white light. There have been testimonies about people going to hell and seeing other people. Blessings.
 
If heaven is empty right now, how are we present with the Lord after death?
I explained that. Heaven isn't in "now" it is above time and space, as it is abode of God. Therefore, if we were able to look into it from our timeline, it would be empty. Heaven doesn't conform to this time period on Earth, however. Those who perish enter into heaven without concept of time. Heaven isn't subject to time, is not burdened with the "realities" of time and space as is this earthly plane of existence. Heaven can be any "time" and no time at all.
 
I'm confused, ok let me try to make sense of this. After our hearts stop beating, what happens?

1. We see the white light and are judged right away, then..
2. We either enter through Heaven's Gates or descend into hell

or

3. The righteous and the sinners rest in their graves upon judgement until the second coming of Christ.
 
1. Are we resting in our graves waiting for judgement, or are we judged and sent to heaven/hell now.
2. Is Heaven/Hell filled up with the righteous and sinners right now or is it empty for the time being. 2 Corinthians 12:2 & 2 Kings 2:11.
3. Do only certain prophets go to heaven and the rest have to wait.
4. Why all the testimonies in the world about people seeing the white light or visiting heaven and hell now.

1-All souls return to the Father at death......

Ecclesiastes 12:6 "Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern."

Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it."

2-Both are there,however they are on different sides

Luke 16:26 "And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.' "

3-All of us return to the Father at death

4-That one I can't answer...........
 
I'm confused, ok let me try to make sense of this. After our hearts stop beating, what happens?

1. We see the white light and are judged right away, then..
2. We either enter through Heaven's Gates or descend into hell

or

3. The righteous and the sinners rest in their graves upon judgement until the second coming of Christ.

Don't know about the white light,but all return to the Father.....We are not judged until the great white throne judgement,which happens at the end of the millennium...


No such thing as soul sleep
 


Don't know about the white light,but all return to the Father.....We are not judged until the great white throne judgement,which happens at the end of the millennium...


No such thing as soul sleep

Hi n2thelight, but your username speaks of white light, no? ;)
What are the righteous and the sinners doing with the Father after death exactly as we wait for judgement?
 
Hi n2thelight, but your username speaks of white light, no? ;)
What are the righteous and the sinners doing with the Father after death exactly as we wait for judgement?



Hello Urk

Our Father is the light,as far as what they are doing,I don't think scripture speaks on that....
 


Don't know about the white light,but all return to the Father.....We are not judged until the great white throne judgement,which happens at the end of the millennium...


No such thing as soul sleep

Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Mat 9:24 He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn.
Mar 5:39 And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth.
Luk 8:52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth.
Joh 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
1Co 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
 
Our spirits are in heaven or hell when the body dies.

The bible tells us that some people spirits may be raptured!

Isaiah 57:1-2 - Good people pass away; the Godly often die before their time. But no one seems to care or wonder why. No one seems to understand that God is protecting them from the evil to come.

The Holy Spirit has revealed this to me about my son.
 
1. Are we resting in our graves waiting for judgement, or are we judged and sent to heaven/hell now.
2. Is Heaven/Hell filled up with the righteous and sinners right now or is it empty for the time being. 2 Corinthians 12:2 & 2 Kings 2:11.
3. Do only certain prophets go to heaven and the rest have to wait.
4. Why all the testimonies in the world about people seeing the white light or visiting heaven and hell now.
1. Either resting awaiting judgement or in places other than heaven and hell.

2. They are essentially empty of humans.

3. What makes you think some prophets have gone to heaven?

4. Who knows.

These are questions that we cannot give definitive answers for since only supernatural beings and the dead know.
 
because of 2 Corinthians 12:2 & 2 Kings 2:11. blessings.
The first passage is not stating that someone went to heaven as a finality to their life, but rather that someone--possibly Paul--had a temporary spiritual experience or vision. As for 2 Kings, whether it was actually heaven would have to be looked at more closely but I won't fight that one.
 
If Elijah went to the third Heaven, the dwelling place of God then this directly contradicts what Christ said...

Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

So is there another possibility?

2Ki 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

heaven:

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שׁמה שׁמים
shâmayim shâmeh
shaw-mah'-yim, shaw-meh'
The second form being dual of an unused singular; from an unused root meaning to be lofty; the sky (as aloft; the dual perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve): - air, X astrologer, heaven (-s).

Elijah was taken up into the air and transported to another place on earth. OK, you want more?

2Ki 2:15 And when the sons of the prophets which were to view at Jericho saw him, they said, The spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha. And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him.
2Ki 2:16 And they said unto him, Behold now, there be with thy servants fifty strong men; let them go, we pray thee, and seek thy master: lest peradventure the Spirit of the LORD hath taken him up, and cast him upon some mountain, or into some valley. And he said, Ye shall not send.
2Ki 2:17 And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, Send. They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not.
2Ki 2:18 And when they came again to him, (for he tarried at Jericho,) he said unto them, Did I not say unto you, Go not?

Why did they want to go look so badly? They thought he had simply been transported to another place on earth. Sure, but did it ever happen before?

1Ki 18:5 And Ahab said unto Obadiah, Go into the land, unto all fountains of water, and unto all brooks: peradventure we may find grass to save the horses and mules alive, that we lose not all the beasts.
1Ki 18:6 So they divided the land between them to pass throughout it: Ahab went one way by himself, and Obadiah went another way by himself.
1Ki 18:7 And as Obadiah was in the way, behold, Elijah met him: and he knew him, and fell on his face, and said, Art thou that my lord Elijah?
1Ki 18:8 And he answered him, I am: go, tell thy lord, Behold, Elijah is here.
1Ki 18:9 And he said, What have I sinned, that thou wouldest deliver thy servant into the hand of Ahab, to slay me?

What are you trying to do, get me killed?

1Ki 18:10 As the LORD thy God liveth, there is no nation or kingdom, whither my lord hath not sent to seek thee: and when they said, He is not there; he took an oath of the kingdom and nation, that they found thee not.
1Ki 18:11 And now thou sayest, Go, tell thy lord, Behold, Elijah is here.
1Ki 18:12 And it shall come to pass, as soon as I am gone from thee, that the Spirit of the LORD shall carry thee whither I know not; and so when I come and tell Ahab, and he cannot find thee, he shall slay me: but I thy servant fear the LORD from my youth.

It was common knowledge that the Spirit of God had transported Elijah more than once to another place on earth. Also, several years later (about 10, you can research the kings and their rules to get the time frame) Elijah wrote a letter back to Jehoram...

2Ch 21:12 And there came a writing to him from Elijah the prophet, saying, Thus saith the LORD God of David thy father, Because thou hast not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat thy father, nor in the ways of Asa king of Judah,
2Ch 21:13 But hast walked in the way of the kings of Israel, and hast made Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem to go a whoring, like to the whoredoms of the house of Ahab, and also hast slain thy brethren of thy father's house, which were better than thyself:
2Ch 21:14 Behold, with a great plague will the LORD smite thy people, and thy children, and thy wives, and all thy goods:
2Ch 21:15 And thou shalt have great sickness by disease of thy bowels, until thy bowels fall out by reason of the sickness day by day.

OK, is Elijah all alone here?

Act 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Act 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Act 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Act 8:40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

Here Philip is transported in the same fashion.

Where are the dead right now? Dead. Unconscious awaiting a resurrection...

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Psa 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

Why don't the dead praise God? They cannot, they are not conscious.

Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

This happens at the last trump, the return of Christ. Until then, the dead are dead.
 
We are in the presence of God right now through the Holy Spirit.
We will always be in the presence of God, with or without a body.
Wherever we are, God is there.
 
1. Are we resting in our graves waiting for judgement, or are we judged and sent to heaven/hell now.
2. Is Heaven/Hell filled up with the righteous and sinners right now or is it empty for the time being. 2 Corinthians 12:2 & 2 Kings 2:11.
3. Do only certain prophets go to heaven and the rest have to wait.
4. Why all the testimonies in the world about people seeing the white light or visiting heaven and hell now.

Can you define hell? Do you mean Hades or Gehenna?
 
Why does it matter? If you're one of those people that think hell is without torment then..

It matters because Hades is the grave and Gehenna is the Lake of Fire. When people die the go to Hades, the grave. They remain there until the resurrection at which time they will be raised to reign on the earth. The scriptures don't teach that people go to heaven, that teaching was introduced into the faith after the apostles were gone.
 
When people die they go to Hades, the grave. They remain there until the resurrection at which time they will be raised to reign on the earth. The scriptures don't teach that people go to heaven, that teaching was introduced into the faith after the apostles were gone.

Wow, so much false presentation here you're making my head spin. Who are these 'people' that go to Hades and are resurrected on earth? You do understand that Jesus is alive in Heaven right now and that you must be born again in the Holy Spirit in this lifetime to enter Holy Land, right? Please tell me you understand that. Yeah you're right, the prophets of Jesus never preached the Kingdom of God, lol. Are you a Jehovah Witness where you believe Satan came to earth on October 1st, 1914? Sorry to break it to you but Christ does not send his people to Hades. Sinners that don't repent send themselves to Hades by their unbelief in who Jesus Christ is. Who is Jesus Christ to you?
 
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