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After The Rapture – All The Pigs Vanish
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turnorburn
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"What scripture is God everywhere? "
Here's one place that i can think of Mike..
Psalm 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;
10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.
11 If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me.
12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.
13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
One of my favorite passages...
Chopper
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Thanks Mike for that humble reply. I don't have all the answers either. Hey, all we can do is study carefully Revelation. If the Holy Spirit doesn't give revelation, we are stuck with our own interpretation, and that's not very reliable. One thing I know, Jesus is going to gather up His beloved Believers. And, He's coming back. If I die before He comes, I'm going where He is right now.
May the favor of God be with and on you Brother.
Chopper
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You know ez, all you want to do is argue and insult. I'll not communicate with you anymore. I'm grieved in heart at your reply's.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18
At His coming, the rapture will take place, and all Christians will be removed from the earth.
At His coming, the antichrist will be destroyed.
Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him...
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:1,8
JLB
At His coming, the rapture will take place, and all Christians will be removed from the earth.
At His coming, the antichrist will be destroyed.
Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him...
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:1,8
JLB
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Brother Mike
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If it were super clear, then we all would agree as we Agree Jesus is Lord. We know, obey God, get in your place, walk in love, faith and hope for all things. Have no fear. We get a glimpse, and God expects us to walk by Faith for the rest. If you hang on for but a breath God's time, you will be here. I believe we are getting close.
God bless.
Mike.
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Brother Mike
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"What scripture is God everywhere? "
Here's one place that i can think of Mike..
Psalm 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;
10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.
11 If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me.
12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.
13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
One of my favorite passages...
We know God can be where He wants to be. We also have scripture where He is not there. Where He is at, people get help, we notice when He is not, then the people don't get help.
We have asked the question, if the Lord removes his Anointed body full of the Holy Spirit, then does the Spirit of God still help and deal with man on Earth, or does it get very, very dark on earth.
Is it more like the OT, where the Spirit of God came on men at times?
Reading Rev, the Angelic trumpets, the vials and the rest of the seals, does not look like God and man have a very good relationship together but the few that make it through.
turnorburn
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i found another place in...
Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
"For in him we live and move, and have our being"
Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
"For in him we live and move, and have our being"
marie glen
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I agree.. and I also think it likely to be pre wrath.. but I figure the voice and influence of the body of Christ could be removed violently.. which is not God's wrath, but satan's etc..
A also think God's wrath, for the most part is the consequences of man's own doings.. Even the fire He returns in - "He returns in fire and with His angels.." 2 Thessalonians 1:7,8
..Just my 2 cents.. and thoughts, God bless..
Yes, the same "coming" of the Lord that destroys the antichrist, is the same "coming" by which we are raptured/resurrected [gathered].
Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8
The resurrection/rapture is one event, by which all His people are gathered together to be with Him.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:17
This event occurs at His coming.
JLB
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Brother Mike
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Thank you for responding. We are delivered from the Powers of Darkness and translated into the Kingdom of His dear Son. The Lord Jesus at no time will make His Church subject to a disobedient angel named Satan. He is able to present His Church without Spot or Blemish.
Now a lot of So called Churches are not Churches, but His real Church doing His will and many will start to come together and get things right toward the end.
For the most part, the Church has been walled in some building and it's not been doing most the World any good. Even the "Word of Faith" Churches that teach healing and prosperity are not sharing with anyone but confessing what God can do for them. Learning Faith is good, but the World need's God desperately and we need to start presenting the Power and Healing ability of Jesus to the People, not hoard it all in Church.
Yes, it will take a great tribulation for the Church to come together and get things right.
The scriptures calls this "getting things right", washing our robes and making them white, in the blood of the Lamb.
13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”
14 And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:13-14
JLB
I only quickly looked at this post and have not read all the responses. I would just like to make a quick comment based on my opinion.
In my opinion the people left on the earth will be anyone who was living that did not know Christ as their savior. That's anyone..... no matter of race, religion or whatever. The others that will be taken will be the people who knew Christ as their savior but had died before the rapture. They will be taken from their graves and their souls will be reunited with their new, changed, heavenly bodies. Then the living Christians will be taken immediately after and their corrupt earthly bodies will be changed instantly.
Also, the worldly explanation for this, IMHO, will be a mass alien abduction. Usually this is described as a removal of all the non believers of the view that we were seeded here by an intelligent race and the human race cannot move to the next stage of "evolution" with all the believers of the archaic Christian belief. So, as the story is said to play out, these Christians are removed, and taken to a place, to be shown the truth of the "evolutionary" path and will be educated so that the can return and the whole of the human civilization can now move on to the next level of "evolutionary" existence.
Thirdly, the rapture, as it is called, IMHO will occur at the beginning of the seven years of tribulation as we are Christ's bride and will be in heaven for the wedding supper of the lamb, during the tribulation.
The "one who restrains" is the Holy Spirit ". It cannot be an angel as angels are not omnipresent. The "one who restrains" must be omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent in order to handle the phenomenal feat of being the "one who restrains" over the whole earth.
Michael, on the other hand is only one angel and already, in scripture, we have seen where he cannot overcome Lucifer on his own. He called on the word of the Lord in order to combat Lucifer, Satan, in the dispute over Moses body.
Jude 9New International Version (NIV)
9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”
Here is a commentary that describes the location of the raptured Christians during the tribulation. I am aware that this is a disputed topic, however it is my belief that when Christ stated that He would send a comforter for us in His absence, which was the Holy Spirit, and He also promised that He would never leave us or forsake us, that He could not remove the "one who restrains", the Holy Spirit, and keep this promise. Therefore, the church, or saved humans, must be taken at the same time as the Holy Spirit.
Here is a clip of that commentary from : https://gotquestions.org/marriage-supper-Lamb.html
What John’s vision in Revelation pictures is the wedding feast of the Lamb (Jesus Christ) and His bride (the Church) in its third phase. The implication is that the first two phases have already taken place. The first phase was completed on earth when each individual believer placed his or her faith in Christ as Savior. The dowry paid to the bridegroom’s parent (God the Father) would be the blood of Christ shed on the Bride’s behalf. The Church on earth today, then, is “betrothed” to Christ, and, like the wise virgins in the parable, all believers should be watching and waiting for the appearance of the Bridegroom (the rapture). The second phase symbolizes the rapture of the Church, when Christ comes to claim His bride and take her to the Father’s house. The marriage supper then follows as the third and final step. It is our view that the marriage supper of the Lamb takes place in heaven between the rapture and the second coming (during the tribulation on earth).
The resurrection/rapture is one event that occurs at His coming.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:17
The raptured ones are caught up together with the resurrected ones.
This is when all those who are Christ's will be gathered together, to be with the Lord, at His coming.
JLB
Yes, we will be caught up in the air with Him, together with the resurrected ones, or "dead in Christ". Like my Grandparents and other Christians that have died and will be resurrected at this time.
However, at this time, Christ does not come down to earth. He remains in the air, clouds. This is not the second coming.
The second coming is when He does return to earth, at the end of the tribulation, and we, the bride, army of Christ, return with Him to fight the battle at Armageddon.
How can we be raptured, have the marriage supper, and then return with Him at His second coming, if we do it all at once?
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Brother Mike
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Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
(Rev 3:10-11)
Those that keep the Word in Patience, Jesus said I come, you escape that which is coming on the whole earth. There are many hopefully that make it after this as you pointed out in Rev chapter 7.
The Word to the Church is be found doing well, keep the Word, do what your suppose to be doing. You escape what is coming on the Earth.
The Lord wants His church back, it needs to look like Acts as it was. The Job of the Pastor, Prophet, Evangelist, Teacher and Apostle is not to be a one man band, but to edify the body and prepare "THEM" for the Work of the Ministry. Right now, it's just the Lonely Pastor in Church, not using and encouraging believers to get in their place. The Pastor wants to go it alone, when He is suppose to be making those that go out and do the ministering. Everyone has a gift and ability for ministry.
Act 5:16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.
We are not yet seeing the Multitude's come out of the cities to be set free and healed. You get to church, you hear God is mysterious and we are clueless on what God wants to do. Thy will be done.
We have His will, it's in scripture.
We are going to see this again, but many so called churches will be dark and think they do right. No faith, no power, and a big shock when the Lord comes for His Body.
God bless Sir.
Mike.
Here is what that looks like:
13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. 14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 12:13-17
Notice that this takes place on earth.
All of those who are Christ's, will be gathered together to meet the Lord in the air, at His coming.
None of His people will be left on earth.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-18
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
The resurrected ones will rise first, then the raptured ones will be caught up together with them.
Resurrection/Rapture is one event, whereby all His people will be caught up together, to be with the Lord, at His coming.
The brightness of this coming will destroy the antichrist.
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8
The resurrection/rapture and the destruction of the antichrist occurs, at His coming.
JLB
The antichrist will not be revealed until the beginning of the tribulation. When Christ returns at the end of this seven years, His bride will be with Him.
Are we going to do a big "U" turn in the sky? Be raptured, have the marriage supper, wolf it down, jump on our white horses and return with Christ at the second coming all in the same instant?
That would be impossible.
I say no. The "one who restrains" will be removed from the earth along with the church, aka the body of Christ, aka Christ's bride, And then and only then, with the body of Christ and the Holy Spirit absent from this earth, evil can take full control and proceed, undeterred, to carry out it's evil scheme.
Half way through the 7 years, the antichrist will sit in the Holy of Holy's of the new temple and proclaim himself to be god. The earth will be a true hell for the next 3.5 years, until Christ returns, followed by the angels and His Bride, on white horses. The army of God to the rescue of the few saved souls and the 144,000 converted Jewish converts who will survive this Armageddon and live for the millennial period on this earth with Christ as her king and the bride of Christ as His helpers.
1st resurrection
Same timing as rev16:15
beast =released 5th trump
7th trump=>The kingdom of this world shall become the kingdom of God and Has Christ
From 5th ending in 7th trump is the great tribulation- (reign of the beast) That beast and his false prophet shall cause and be the cause of astounding devastation on this earth. That beast and his false prophet will be destroyed by the splendor of the Lords coming and the double edged sword from His mouth. (His power and the armies of heaven who follow Jesus)
The beast and the false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire at that coming, Satan and others will be allowed to live for a short time (1000) years.
The bowl judgments are the judgments that plunge the beasts kingdom into darkness and are the last of Gods judgments. Read Rev 15 and 16.
Now a sign that can't be mistaken is Rev 11. 1260 days and the two witnesses raised back to life and taken up to heaven as the whole world looks on. It was the beast who was allowed to kill them after the 1260 days of witness was completed. If any in those days has even a shred of love and faith in the Lord they will believe and give glory to God. For God is a loving God who warns and warns upfront. The rest of the world who still have not believed, (and took joy in the killing of Gods 2 witnesses), and have not repented of their evil ways will be the ones deceived by beast. And if anyone willfully takes the mark of the beast and worships and follows the beast their place will be the 2nd death.
The children in Rev are those who obey Gods commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
Now about the resurrection that Jesus spoke of. It was well understood that is on the last day and Jesus would send out His angels to gather His elect from the ends of the heavens. The resurrection of us all. And it is to be a bodily resurrection and those left alive on earth on that day will be caught up to the Lord and also clothed with immortality. As I see also given new bodies not of the dust of the earth. For Paul taught on that day some of the faith will still be alive on earth and caught up in the air and clothed with immortality.
During the days from the 5th ending in the 7th trump call of God are days that will call for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints. For those days will come as you read in Rev and other parts of the bible. The reign of the beast the great tribulation.