Bible Study Age of accountability is nowhere found in the Bible

[for_his_glory]

God does not select before the womb those who will spend eternity with Him or those who will be cast into the lake of fire. God is a sovereign God that in his love and patience for us would not want anyone to perish and only God knows the intents of the heart as he alone judges us, 2 Peter 3:9. God wants all of us to come to repentance, but not everyone will for the way they are raised from birth. Many babies are born into families that have rejected God and will be raised to also come against Him as their hearts are hardened.

Age of accountability is nowhere found in the Bible and is a preconception that only leads to speculation. Infant baptism is also unscriptural as a baby can not know faith and regeneration as this takes place at the same point in time. A baby can not be covered by the blood of Jesus until they come into the knowledge of good and evil and accept Him as Lord and Savior. Many use Ephesians 1:4, 5 to support this, but that is not what these verses are saying. These two verses are very similar to that of 2 Peter 3:9 that through Gods love he breathed his breath (spirit) into us when we first came from the womb making us a living soul and that he would want us to be holy and without blame. Staying holy without blame is through repentance and acceptance that brings us to that adoption that is in Christ Jesus thus we were made for Gods good pleasure.

Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Zechariah 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

A baby can not inherit the sin of the parents, but are born with a sin nature. Adams sin was imputed to every one of us as there is none that are righteous, babies included, Romans 5:12-18. Psalms 58:3 says, The wicked are estranged (turn from God) from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. Who taught a child to lie or be rebellious against their parents? It's that sin nature that causes a child to do this. Psalms 51:5 says, Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. The only thing God gave us at birth was His very breath (spirit) that made us a living soul and it's that breath that goes back to God when we die as he preserves it in judgment until the coming of the Lord, Ecclesiastes 12:7.

Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

In the OT and NT God did specifically call out certain prophets and disciples by name as he elected them before they were even formed in the womb. This does not make God a respecter of person, it just means they were called for Gods purpose as they were the Hebrew children of promise through the seed of Abraham being of that same covenant God made with Abraham in Genesis 12:1-3. We being formed in the womb as a Gentile and given the breath (spirit) of God for us to be a living soul can now through Christ Jesus be grafted into that seed of Abraham that we to can be a part of Gods covenant promises to that of a thousand generations.

Do all babies go to be with the Lord when they die? The answer is no, John 3:13. Remember, God only gives breath (spirit), but doesn't decide who a baby is born to. Two examples of babies that have died and also will be raised from the grave to stand in Gods white throne judgment all we have to do is look at the story of the Amalekites and their children in Deuteronomy 2:24-34. God even had the babies killed in battle as they would have also grown up to come against God and his people. It’s the same as the firstborn of the Egyptians in Exodus 11. God saved His own from being killed. This was all Gods judgment against those who come out against him. Just as today those babies that die, even though they have no knowledge of good and evil yet, are also those who will be trained to come against God.

Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

 

[ezra]

ge of accountability is nowhere found in the Bible and is a preconception that only leads to speculation. Infant baptism is also unscriptural as a baby can not know faith and regeneration as this takes place at the same point in time. A baby can not be covered by the blood of Jesus until they come into the knowledge of good and evil and accept Him as Lord and Savior.

age of accountability is when they understand there lost .the age depends on the child agree on infant baptism

 

[lisa-in-FL]

2 Samuel 12
20 Then David arose from the earth, and washed, and anointed himself, and changed his apparel, and came into the house of the Lord, and worshipped: then he came to his own house; and when he required, they set bread before him, and he did eat.
21 Then said his servants unto him, What thing is this that thou hast done? thou didst fast and weep for the child, while it was alive; but when the child was dead, thou didst rise and eat bread.
22 And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether God will be gracious to me, that the child may live?
23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.


I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.
David was pretty certain he'd see his son that died as an infant when he got to heaven. Not because of infant baptism (I agree that's not a thing) but because of God's mercy?

 

[dianegcook]

A child that does not know right from wrong should not be accounted for anything.
Rom.9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated...before being born...

This is an entirely different subject here, so I'll just give you my belief briefly on this matter.

There are 3 heaven and earth ages.
We are in the second.
The first one:
We all were spiritual being,
Satan was a cherub, Ezek.28:14-19
Guarded the mercy seat.
Wanted ,and still to this day ,wants God's seat.
Satan rebelled drew 1/3 of God's children. Rev.12:4
Some fought against Satan, some followed Satan.
God could had destroyed His children then, but loved His children so much, a blood sacrifice was in order.
Thus, this flesh age.
Everyone will be born in the flesh, except Satan and some of his angels, even God partook in the flesh to shed His blood for remission of sins.
We having no knowledge of this, is given a chance.
We decide on whom we will follow.

I believe God hated Esau, because He fore knew him.
I believe this is how He chooses His elect..

No, I know what some say, it is not reincarnation.
We are only in the flesh once...Heb.9:27
Appointed unto men once to die.

Ok, I said it, do what you will to me, lol.

 

[for_his_glory]

age of accountability is when they understand there lost .the age depends on the child agree on infant baptism

Infant water baptism is not scriptural as water baptism is a conscience decision one makes in accepting Christ as their Lord and Savior as it is an outward appearance to others.

 

[for_his_glory]

2 Samuel 12
20 Then David arose from the earth, and washed, and anointed himself, and changed his apparel, and came into the house of the Lord, and worshipped: then he came to his own house; and when he required, they set bread before him, and he did eat.
21 Then said his servants unto him, What thing is this that thou hast done? thou didst fast and weep for the child, while it was alive; but when the child was dead, thou didst rise and eat bread.
22 And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether God will be gracious to me, that the child may live?
23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.


I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.
David was pretty certain he'd see his son that died as an infant when he got to heaven. Not because of infant baptism (I agree that's not a thing) but because of God's mercy?

Only God knows the heart of children who have died whether they are His own or not. I can only hope I will see my brother who died shortly after he was born when we are caught up to meet Jesus in the air.

 

[ezra]

Infant water baptism is not scriptural as water baptism is a conscience decision one makes in accepting Christ as their Lord and Savior as it is an outward appearance to others.

i was agreeing with you on infant baptism

 

[ezra]

Only God knows the heart of children who have died whether they are His own or not. I can only hope I will see my brother who died shortly after he was born when we are caught up to meet Jesus in the air.

if a little child who passes away at early age does not Go to HEAVEN. i will stop preaching i will say i know i will see your lil bro i may not know who he is.but i will see him

 

[for_his_glory]

A child that does not know right from wrong should not be accounted for anything.
Rom.9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated...before being born...

This is an entirely different subject here, so I'll just give you my belief briefly on this matter.

There are 3 heaven and earth ages.
We are in the second.
The first one:
We all were spiritual being,
Satan was a cherub, Ezek.28:14-19
Guarded the mercy seat.
Wanted ,and still to this day ,wants God's seat.
Satan rebelled drew 1/3 of God's children. Rev.12:4
Some fought against Satan, some followed Satan.
God could had destroyed His children then, but loved His children so much, a blood sacrifice was in order.
Thus, this flesh age.
Everyone will be born in the flesh, except Satan and some of his angels, even God partook in the flesh to shed His blood for remission of sins.
We having no knowledge of this, is given a chance.
We decide on whom we will follow.

I believe God hated Esau, because He fore knew him.
I believe this is how He chooses His elect..

No, I know what some say, it is not reincarnation.
We are only in the flesh once...Heb.9:27
Appointed unto men once to die.

Ok, I said it, do what you will to me, lol.

OK, here comes your flogging

To start with you said a child that does not know right from wrong can not be held accountable. Can you explain then why all the firstborn males in Exodus 12:29 were killed? Only God knows the heart as this is why He loved Jacob, but hated Esau. For the rest about being a spirit being before we became flesh is what Mormons teach as it is not found in scripture.

 

[for_his_glory]

i was agreeing with you on infant baptism

I know you agree. I was just saying that it was not scriptural. Some church's I use to attend would dedicate a baby to God in it's upbringing being not only the parents responsibility to teach the child about God, but the congregation of the church also being involved with the child's Spiritual upbringing.

 

[for_his_glory]

if a little child who passes away at early age does not Go to HEAVEN. i will stop preaching i will say i know i will see your lil bro i may not know who he is.but i will see him

Will the first born males of Egypt including Pharaohs son be with Christ when He returns? Only God knows the heart of an infant and has His purpose in each one that is born. We can not know some of the ways of God that are a mystery to us.

 

[ezra]

Will the first born males of Egypt including Pharaohs son be with Christ when He returns? Only God knows the heart of an infant and has His purpose in each one that is born. We can not know some of the ways of God that are a mystery to us.

they was innocent had no knowledge of sin.. . maybe you would like the old rock song by pat benatar hell is for children . a young child has no knowledge. infants can not be born again your clinging to calvinism

 

[ezra]

We can not know some of the ways of God that are a mystery to us

but i sure know God Grace it sure aint for infants going to hell

 

[for_his_glory]

they was innocent had no knowledge of sin.. . maybe you would like the old rock song by pat benatar hell is for children . a young child has no knowledge. infants can not be born again your clinging to calvinism

You forget that many of the firstborn were from infancy to adulthood and only God had His purpose in destroying all of them. I can only assume being they were Egyptians under the ruling reign of Pharaoh they were none of God's own and would grow up to come against Israel.

BTW, never heard that song nor do I follow Calvinism.

 

[for_his_glory]

but i sure know God Grace it sure aint for infants going to hell

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. 7 As they were increased, so they sinned against me: therefore will I change their glory into shame.

 

[ezra]

ya know you of all people surprise me with this belief.. if you want to believe GOD sends infants to the eternal lake of fire/ hell you go for it .you took Hosea and ripped the context of it to shreds
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
2 tim 2:23

 

[for_his_glory]

ya know you of all people surprise me with this belief.. if you want to believe GOD sends infants to the eternal lake of fire/ hell you go for it .you took Hosea and ripped the context of it to shreds
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
2 tim 2:23

How did I rip the context of Hosea 4:6, 7 to shreds when it was God that said he would destroy those who would not keep His law and also forget their children. Sorry, but I don't see anything foolish or unlearned in those verses. How do we know the mind of God in all His righteous judgments.

Do you really think that a child from the time they are born and taught to reject God are truly going to go be with Him? This is only one of those unknown mysteries of God we can not fathom in His judgment. I would like to believe every baby that dies would go to be with the Lord, but I'm a student of reality and not of trying to rationalize God.

 

[ezra]

I'm a student of reality

then please get in the real world babies do not go to hell when thy die ..i am through with this subject its silly its not Bible

 

[for_his_glory]

then please get in the real world babies do not go to hell when thy die ..i am through with this subject its silly its not Bible

You have a good evening.

 

[dianegcook]

OK, here comes your flogging

To start with you said a child that does not know right from wrong can not be held accountable. Can you explain then why all the firstborn males in Exodus 12:29 were killed? Only God knows the heart as this is why He loved Jacob, but hated Esau. For the rest about being. a spirit being before we became flesh is what Mormons teach as it is not found in scripture.

Not a Mormon, just a child of God, I have no denomination.
Moses warned Pharaoh, Pharaoh would not let His people go.
Pharaoh cursed His own people, when he said that the first born of Moses people will die.
Regardless, the children that died would not be held accountable.
How did God know Esau's heart if he hadn't been born yet?

Rev.12:1-5 expands eons of time.
1st heaven and earth age:
Saw a woman in heaven and upon her head a crown of 12 stars, (mother Israel)
She being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. ( birth of a new age)
Isa.66:7,8
Before she travailed she brought forth, before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
Who hath heard such a thing? Who hath seen such
a thing?
Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day?
Or shall a nation be born at once?
For as soon as Zion travailed she brought forth her children.
Back to Rev.12:1-5
And there appeared another wonder in heaven, a great red dragon, Satan.
And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth, ( left their first estate, Jude 6)
Job 38:4-7
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?.....
Whereupon are the foundations fastened? Or who laid the corner stone thereof,
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Back to Rev.12:1-5
And the Dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child, as soon as it was born.
She brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron, and her child was caught up unto God, and to His throne (Jesus, crucified)

The flogging wasn't too bad, I have been called worst than a Mormon.:yes