[__ Science __ ] Age of earth

[Who Me]

Until Adam, there were no creatures with a soul. The soul is what makes us different from animals. There's nothing to suggest that God cares about the life or death of animals or plants.

There is nothing in the genesis a count that implies that there was a y long period of time between God's first act of creation and the creation of Adam.

As for God care for animals, that he cares is seen in his command to Adam to care for creation a d in his commands about being responsible for one's livestock, that the beast of burden too rested on the safety etc etc.

 

[Barbarian]

There are two forms of death.
Adam died spiritual 5he moment he broke God's command.
We see this in he went from having Communion with God as he named the animals to being frighten at the thought of meeting God.

Yes.

He also started the physical processes that lead to physical death as his body started to age and wear out.

That is man's revision of God's word. Adam was never immortal. God even expresses concern that he might become so, and acts to prevent it.

 

[JT4444]

There is nothing in the genesis a count that implies that there was a y long period of time between God's first act of creation and the creation of Adam.

As for God care for animals, that he cares is seen in his command to Adam to care for creation a d in his commands about being responsible for one's livestock, that the beast of burden too rested on the safety etc etc.

Yes, there is something, but you are likely reading an English translation. We have to remember American English is not a Biblical language.

The understanding of time that I cited was not carried over to Europe when Christianity flourished there and was influenced by the local culture.

 

[Who Me]

Yes.

That is man's revision of God's word. Adam was never immortal. God even expresses concern that he might become so, and acts to prevent it.

Whether Dam was immortal prior to his fall we can only speculate.
That he was subject to physical death following the fall is seen by God preventing him from having access to the tree of life.

As Paul wrote death came through Adams sin.

 

[lastofall]

Science is good if it keeps itself bo`wed down under the Word of God: but when it begins to think and speak above that which is written, then it is no more good; rather it is then evil.

 

[Barbarian]

Whether Dam was immortal prior to his fall we can only speculate.

That God expresses concern that he might become so, is sufficient.

That he was subject to physical death following the fall is seen by God preventing him from having access to the tree of life.

No, because God says if he eats from the tree of life, he will then live forever. Which tells us that it only takes once, and that Adam was never immortal.

As Paul wrote death came through Adams sin.

God told Adam that if he sinned, he would die the day he did. But he lives on physically for many years thereafter. So if God tells the truth, we know that death is not a physical one.

 

[Barbarian]

Science is good if it keeps itself bo`wed down under the Word of God: but when it begins to think and speak above that which is written, then it is no more good; rather it is then evil.

Science is merely a method. It has nothing to say about God at all. You might as well ask plumbing to tell you about God.

 

[Barbarian]

Death has never been the end; the end will come on Final Judgment Day.

Yes, which is why death is not an enemy for His people. Death has been defeated by Jesus' death and resurrection.

 

[Who Me]

God told Adam that if he sinned, he would die the day he did. But he lives on physically for many years thereafter. So if God tells the truth, we know that death is not a physical one

There is physical death and there is spiritual death.
That Adam became under the influence of both is clear from Genesis.
We can only speculate as to whether Adam was immortal, that death was part of the fall indicates that he was and God removing him from being able to take of the tree of life further confirms it.

Death is the last enemy only if death is not part of creation.

The evolutionist has to accept that for them God calls death good.
This is not what the bible teaches, so it shows that the reading into Genesis of evolution is a false understand of scripture.

 

[Barbarian]

There is physical death and there is spiritual death.
That Adam became under the influence of both is clear from Genesis.

Not if God is truthful. He told Adam that he would die the day he ate from the tree, but Adam lives on physically for many years after. Either God lied, or the death was not physical. No other choice.

The evolutionist has to accept that for them God calls death good.

You shouldn't fear death. It's part of your journey. If Jesus came to save us from a physical death, He failed. We will all die someday. It was the spiritual death that Adam brought into the world, that Jesus defeated by His death and resurrection.

Evolution is just part of God's creation. It's observed happening around us in populations of living things. Accept it God's way, and this will no longer trouble you.

 

[Who Me]

No other choice.

Not so, there is the argument that Adams physical death would begin from that point.
Why should God tell Adam that you are going to die if death was part of the normal course.
Dust you are and to dust you will return implies that physical death is new.

Accept it God's way, and this will no longer trouble yo

Interesting you insist that death is only spiritual death and that physical death is a good thing.
Why then is it called the last enemy.

Paul says in Adam all die, so in Christ All shall rise.
Physical death was a consequence of the fall.


Genesis 2:17 in the day you eat it you shall die, has been translated as " dying you shall die "

If Adam was part of a world of dying creatures your world view is valid, if Adam only started to die after his fall your world view is invalid.

 

[JT4444]

There is physical death and there is spiritual death.
That Adam became under the influence of both is clear from Genesis.
We can only speculate as to whether Adam was immortal, that death was part of the fall indicates that he was and God removing him from being able to take of the tree of life further confirms it.

Death is the last enemy only if death is not part of creation.

The evolutionist has to accept that for them God calls death good.
This is not what the bible teaches, so it shows that the reading into Genesis of evolution is a false understand of scripture.

There is nothing that suggests eternal life was part of God's plan for animals, marine life, and plants. Adam was only created 6,000 or so years ago.

 

[Barbarian]

Not so, there is the argument that Adams physical death would begin from that point.

That's not what God said. That argument depends on God being wrong or not telling the truth.

Why should God tell Adam that you are going to die if death was part of the normal course.

Because He wanted Adam to know that he would die that day. Adam chose to ignore that, because the serpent was a Biblical literalist and told him that he wouldn't die. The serpent deceived him by telling part of the truth.

Interesting you insist that death is only spiritual death and that physical death is a good thing.
Why then is it called the last enemy.

Because Jesus defeated death for all time.

Genesis 2:17 in the day you eat it you shall die, has been translated as " dying you shall die "

What is your evidence that the Bible as written is wrong?

 

[Who Me]

There is nothing that suggests eternal life was part of God's plan for animals, marine life, and plants. Adam was only created 6,000 or so years ago.

Death came through Adam's sin, there was no death before then.
So it is reasonable to assume that animals would not die.

 

[Who Me]

What is your evidence that the Bible as written is wrong?

I have never written or implied that the bible is in error.
I have implied that your evolutionary views are unbiblical and as such are false.

 

[JT4444]

Death came through Adam's sin, there was no death before then.
So it is reasonable to assume that animals would not die.

We don't know, from the Bible, if that is the case. All that we can say, for sure, is that Adam and Eve sinned, and death came to mankind. There is nothing in the Bible that says that plants, marine life, and animals were supposed to be eternal or not.

The natural record shows that there was death and even the most cursory examination of the universe God created would tell you that creation and destruction are constant in God's creation. That means that your understanding is wrong. Humanity lost its opportunity to live forever. We are special, made in God's image. Shrubs, rats, and slugs are not.

 

[Barbarian]

I have never written or implied that the bible is in error.

You won't believe God when He says to Adam that he will die the day he eats from the tree.

I have implied that your evolutionary views are unbiblical

In the same sense that protons are unbiblical. Evolution, protons, and many other things that are demonstrably true, are not found in the Bible.

 

[Who Me]

The natural record shows that there was death and even the most cursory examination of the universe God created would tell you that creation and destruction are constant in God's creation.

The natural record is a record recorded in fossils etc after creation. A creation that God declared was very good.

 

[Who Me]

You won't believe God when He says to Adam that he will die the day he eats from the tree.

I have consistently argued that Adam became subject to physical death from the moment of his fall.

Evolution is only true because of the bias in its favour by its proponents.

It's an old old argument, if evolution was so demonstratable true, why aren't scientists queuing up to demonstrate it with people like Ken Ham.

For me the fact that one has to believe that God regards death as good is reason enough to reject evolution.

 

[Barbarian]

I have consistently argued that Adam became subject to physical death from the moment of his fall.

Which is contrary to God's word in Genesis.

Evolution is only true because of the bias in its favour by its proponents.

Because we observe it happening. It's a natural phenomenon.

It's an old old argument, if evolution was so demonstratable true, why aren't scientists queuing up to demonstrate it with people like Ken Ham.

Ham did the usual thing creationists do when presented with evidence. He stopped arguing against the evolution of new species and even higher taxa, but claimed it wasn't "real evolution."

Before the time of Charles Darwin, a false idea had crept into the church—the belief in the “fixity” or “immutability” of species. According to this view, each species was created in precisely the same form that we find it today. The Bible nowhere teaches that species are fixed and unchanging.

Speciation

Speciation, the formation of new species, is not evolution in action. Rather, it demonstrates the incredible variety God put within each created kind.

answersingenesis.org

He got rich selling creationism to his followers. If Jesus came down and told him that evolution was a fact, he'd deny it.